insaintee 4,934 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Sort of see a skewed logic in that. Disnae quite work though. If oldco are incent of the secret contract scandal then what have they got to worry about if SPL SFA etc choose to prosecute them. On the other hand if they ARE guilty then they could be sued not only by every club in the Scottish SPL SFL etc but also by European clubs they sucessfully defeated or knocked out as these rusults also should be voided. So for example every team knocked out of their Europa league run could sue for lost prize money TV earnings etc. My God then the h*ns will really be paying for manchester. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kendo 7,162 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Yes where is Faraway saint these days That's a story and a half, ask shull 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Sid 3,503 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 FFS Sid stop posting shite. Nobody cares what your interpretation of anything is cos you're as bad as Dickson at misrepresenting stuff. You must think we're all numpties who hang on your every word. What a bizarre response to a post that was asking a question. How can you misrepresent "stuff" when you are asking a question looking to see if anyonecan shed any light on what seems like an odd situation? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Sid 3,503 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Clearer now.....there are two separate issues. It has been shite journos that have been reporting them as being interdependent. Issue 1: SKY wanting to be able to televise some of the newcos SFL games under the SPL contract. The newco have hee-haw influence on this issue - its between the SPL and the SFL. Issue 2: The newco doesn't want to progress the transfer of the oldco license whilst the EBT issue is outstanding. As we know the SPL investigation by HMcL decided there is a case to answer. The SPL want an independent commission to judge the case. Once you take the newco loving media spin out of it, it actually looks pretty gloomy for the newco. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
insaintee 4,934 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Clearer now.....there are two separate issues. It has been shite journos that have been reporting them as being interdependent. Issue 1: SKY wanting to be able to televise some of the newcos SFL games under the SPL contract. The newco have hee-haw influence on this issue - its between the SPL and the SFL. Issue 2: The newco doesn't want to progress the transfer of the oldco license whilst the EBT issue is outstanding. As we know the SPL investigation by HMcL decided there is a case to answer. The SPL want an independent commission to judge the case. Once you take the newco loving media spin out of it, it actually looks pretty gloomy for the newco. it actually looks pretty gloomy for the newco Not half! 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shull 2 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 That's a story and a half, ask shull We are all Smokie Boy. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desperately Seeking Susans 1,490 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 If newco do start they'd better get travel pills - Elgin, Peterhead, Montrose, Stranraer... 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Sid 3,503 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 48 hours have passed now since Green made his statement about the license being sorted out within 24 hours. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest somner9 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 48 hours have passed now since Green made his statement about the license being sorted out within 24 hours. Cue Michael J Fox and Doc on Hoverboards, and firing their lada down paisley road west! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon 206 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 From HMFC Kickback. Rangers have received hardly any punishment to date, most of the mess that they are in is a direct consequence of their own actions / inactions. Despite what McCoist and others keep bleating about, they've had next to no punishment imposed by anyone, so far. Banned from Champions League No they're not banned, they failed to qualify as they never submitted their accounts as per the rules. Docked ten points Any club entering Administration during the football season faces a automatic ten point deduction - and it did not alter their final league position. Rangers were relegated from the SPL Rangers were not relegated, they are in Administration, could not agree a CVA, and are facing Liquidation. Rangers will be wound up and cease to exist, so cannot play in any league. Sevco were relegated from the SPL Sevco were not relegated, they were not, and have never been, a member of the SPL. As a brand new company, they were refused permission to start off at the top tier of Scottish football. Sevco have been relegated to the 3rd Div Sevco are a brand new company, they have never been a member of any league, and have not been relegated by any league. They are starting in the 3rd Division, as all new Senior Clubs are expected to do. Banned from Europe for three years No, they're not banned, any club wishing a European Licence must provide three years audited accounts. Sevco are unable to meet that requirement, so can not qualify until they do have three years accounts. Fined £160k Actually yes, this is a punishment. It was imposed by an independent tribunal, for bringing the game into disrepute over non-payment of approximately £13,000,000 of Tax and NI, potentially a criminal offence. To put this "punishment" into perspective, this fine is less than Hearts have been fined for Romanov complaining about corruption, and anyway, Rangers / Sevco haven't yet paid it! Rangers have been punished for EBT's No they haven't, the football authorities are not even investigating this. They were sent a "bill" by HMRC which they appealed. This appeal has been heard by the FTT, and both parties are currently awaiting the outcome. Rangers have been punished for Dual Contracts No they haven't, the SPL have said that there is a case to answer (irrespective of any decision on legality / illegality of their use of EBT's) on the use of undeclared dual contracts, meaning they would have fielded ineligible players, but to date this has not been actioned. So far the only punishment Rangers / Sevco have received is the £160k fine - that they haven't actually paid..! Everything else they are claiming is a "punishment" is actually completely self-inflicted, and a direct consequence of their own conscious and deliberate inactions, or actions. :mad: 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Callum Gilhooley 10,074 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 What we wouldnt give to see the div 3 table look like this at seasons end !! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-third-division/table 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Sid 3,503 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 What we wouldnt give to see the div 3 table look like this at seasons end !! http://www.bbc.co.uk...-division/table Quite....I've backed Annan to win it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shull 2 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 What we wouldnt give to see the div 3 table look like this at seasons end !! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-third-division/table Aye and with a Pyramid System in operation. Bye bye Newcunto F.C. ... 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
insaintee 4,934 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 We are all Smokie Boy. That would explain a lot 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 523 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Rumours flying about that it is game over!! Sevco is to be liquidated and McCoist etc have gone. SFL have also removed Rangers from their Div three table!!! http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/football/third/table/ They have also removed them from the Ramsdens Cup:- http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/football/challenge-cup/fixtures/ 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reborn saint 1,539 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Rumours flying about that it is game over!! Sevco is to be liquidated and McCoist etc have gone. SFL have also removed Rangers from their Div three table!!! http://www.scottishf...ll/third/table/ They have also removed them from the Ramsdens Cup:- http://www.scottishf...e-cup/fixtures/ Not sure ....But sounds good 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gordonjbell 197 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 please let them be gone forever 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stlucifer 6,722 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Thought it was too good to be true! http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/football/third/table/ 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidg 8,456 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Thought it was too good to be true! http://www.scottishf...ll/third/table/ What's the deal with their honours/history etc? Haven't been paying much attention. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 523 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 What's the deal with their honours/history etc? Haven't been paying much attention. They are still claiming them despite being renamed THE Rangers. Surely new club means no history!The SFA are still saying that if they retain the history they will be liable to lose some of the titles etc if found guilty of the dual contract stuff, which Green and McCoist say will never happen!!! 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kendo 7,162 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 They are still claiming them despite being renamed THE Rangers. Surely new club means no history! The SFA are still saying that if they retain the history they will be liable to lose some of the titles etc if found guilty of the dual contract stuff, which Green and McCoist say will never happen!!! What I don't understand is if they have no history, how can they be given a transfer ban or investgated for EBT's? How can you punish a new organisation? How can a new organisation be awarded the titles that a different organisation won? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HSS 12,169 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Looks like they'll get a special one day license to play on Sun. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HSS 12,169 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Looks like they'll get a special one day license to play on Sun. Forget the above,its now all or nothing. As much as I would like nothing I'm sure it'll be all. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
insaintee 4,934 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) What I don't understand is if they have no history, how can they be given a transfer ban or investgated for EBT's? How can you punish a new organisation? How can a new organisation be awarded the titles that a different organisation won? If a company goes bust and is bought over, lets say the new company wants to take over the existing contracts. Fine as long as you adhere to the existing conditions in the contract which by the way includes a big penalty for the late delivery of goods. Oh no thanks say the newco we dont want that. Alright then come and negotiate a completly new contract, by the way we wont be going easy on you on he deal and might give the contract to someone else. eh hange on might be better just to take the penalties. Regarding your second point, they cant! Newco have no titles Edited July 27, 2012 by insaintee 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluto 6,262 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Looks like they'll get a special one day license to play on Sun. Aye, but... Who? What players? What company get a licence? If they win, who/what will play next round or in div 3? Will there be legal challenges... 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
