salmonbuddie Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I'd want out of the EU too. Most people don't appear to agree with me though so that is something else I'll have to live with. Shit happens. Shit happened, I think you'll find..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Still waiting, John. I don't even need to show them to you, as you know as well as I do, you've made posts referring to people different from you, even ones with health problems, in a joke like way. If that kind of behaviour is comfortable with you and you don't mind other people reading such posts then fair enough, good on you Salmon(d)Buddie. All joking aside, you won't see me pointing and laughing at folk with health issues or disabilities. That's the difference between being a brown shirt and a person who wears normal clothing. Guess what.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Caramel? Aye, right. Is that one of those new young trendy words for "love juice"? Thank you very much mate , I asked the wife what that meant and that's me sleeping on the couch tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 How's that House of Lords abolition coming along though? Labour claim to want this but haven't done it in 90 years. Westmonster is just different shades of the same shite. Foot planned it... Kinnock bottled it and settled for reform. Last big reform was under Bliar. However. ..I have never before heard so many voters discuss it far less be aware of it.. and a number of senior politicians are also talking in public about it. If the public push for it... I believe there is a collective will to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Night night all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) I was talking about people in Scotland. As we are remaining in the UK for the time being I think that we are better staying in the EU as well, as I don't trust Westminster not to try and take us back to Victorian times with regards to the common man's rights. You must think that Europe is "better together" anyway. Strange, that you wouldn't trust Westminster, but you'd trust Ruth Davidson and Johann Lamont. Are you sure you aren't just xenophobic? Edited September 21, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I expect it to be 2 Scottish parliament elections from now. That's when folk will realise that all these new powers just aren't going to appear and when the Tory/UKIP coalition are really f**king Scotland over. I would also expect it to be within 6 months of the election as there would be no need to go over all the same arguments again. Dunno if Westminster would "allow us" to have another one, we might need to do it "illegally".Illegal is jack straw's plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Foot planned it... Kinnock bottled it and settled for reform. Last big reform was under Bliar. However. ..I have never before heard so many voters discuss it far less be aware of it.. and a number of senior politicians are also talking in public about it. If the public push for it... I believe there is a collective will to make it happen. You're far more optimistic than me Buddie. Too much like turkeys voting for Christmas and that includes the career MP's waiting on their peerage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Is Jack not back in his box? The Straw man is brainless anyway - he's a pal of Dorothy's, you know. No pal of mine. Jack Straw is brainless - I'd agree with you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) Sorry if you thought I was playing the emotional blackmail card, that wasn't the aim. I was just a bit dissapointed someone could say 'No thanks' whenthe aim of of my post was about what we could do now to help those struggling, rather than the outcome. I wasn't complaining about people voting No, everyone has their opinion and I respect that. The majority spoke and whilst I and 45% other people disagree, we move on and work together for the benefit of Scotland. The aim of my post was to highlight collectively that we can all make a difference when the next set of cuts happen. That can be a No voter or a Yes voter. I don't think a Yes vote would have been a magic wand, but I do think it could helped redistribute from the wealthiest to the poorest. As for the breakdown I seen of all the votes percentage by age, if this is a load of p*sh, then I hold my hands up. However, if it's true then the point I was making that it gives me hope that maybe in my life time I will get to see us do this. Nothing against those who voted No for their own reasons, as is there right to do so. I've not once questionnaired or stated that Yes people love Scotland more than No people. But you can't expect me to change my opinion that an independent Scotland would have been better because the majority disgaree. I just want us all to do a bit more to help the vulnerable - which I agree some is self inflicted, a large number isn't. Tam, I know you've moved on from this post but this statement that I've bolded still rankles with me. What evidence have you seen that Scottish Independence would have redistributed money from the wealthiest to the poorest? Was it the plans to cut Corporation Tax whilst having to increase income tax to pay for it? The funny thing is that there is no doubt that in historic terms the Prime Minster who did the most to improve the lot of the working classes was actually Margaret Thatcher - yet she's supposedly despised and demonised in Scotland. Yet her Right To Buy policy meant that working class families could finally afford to become home owners and that has put hundreds of thousands of Scots families into the position where 2nd and 3rd generations have had an inheritance - something that previously had been the preserve of the richest elite prior to Thatcher's reign. The SNP need I remind anyone has pulled this policy stopping council house residents from buying their council homes. Blair and Brown through their welfare give-aways changed what poverty in the UK looks like. Families on unemployment benefit could suddenly afford the latest flat screen TV's, the latest games consoles and holidays to Turkey. And in my lifetime we've moved from a society where a University Education was only for those who could afford it to something every school child seems to think is their birth right whether they have to go into debt to pay for it or not. All reformist governments in one way or another - all have improved living standards for most of the poorest in our society, and yet still somehow those who would have voted Yes would have spilt the country on an unproven claim that somehow an Independent Scotland was the only way create a "fairer society". I've seen no evidence, I doubt you have too yet you still repeat this myth over and over like some brainwashed Moonie. Edited September 22, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 John 11:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I expect it to be 2 Scottish parliament elections from now. That's when folk will realise that all these new powers just aren't going to appear and when the Tory/UKIP coalition are really f**king Scotland over. I would also expect it to be within 6 months of the election as there would be no need to go over all the same arguments again. Dunno if Westminster would "allow us" to have another one, we might need to do it "illegally". Yeah me too. I posted on P&B that it should be the 2021 Scottish election when the SNP introduce another manifesto pledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 What, exactly, was the timetable for the YES campaign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northendsaint Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Tam, I know you've moved on from this post but this statement that I've bolded still rankles with me. What evidence have you seen that Scottish Independence would have redistributed money from the wealthiest to the poorest? Was it the plans to cut Corporation Tax whilst having to increase income tax to pay for it? The funny thing is that there is no doubt that in historic terms the Prime Minster who did the most to improve the lot of the working classes was actually Margaret Thatcher - yet she's supposedly despised and demonised in Scotland. Yet her Right To Buy policy meant that working class families could finally afford to become home owners and that has put hundreds of thousands of Scots families into the position where 2nd and 3rd generations have had an inheritance - something that previously had been the preserve of the richest elite prior to Thatcher's reign. The SNP need I remind anyone has pulled this policy stopping council house residents from buying their council homes. Blair and Brown through their welfare give-aways changed what poverty in the UK looks like. Families on unemployment benefit could suddenly afford the latest flat screen TV's, the latest games consoles and holidays to Turkey. And in my lifetime we've moved from a society where a University Education was only for those who could afford it to something every school child seems to think is their birth right whether they have to go into debt to pay for it or not. All reformist governments in one way or another - all have improved living standards for most of the poorest in our society, and yet still somehow those who would have voted Yes would have spilt the country on an unproven claim that somehow an Independent Scotland was the only way create a "fairer society". I've seen no evidence, I doubt you have too yet you still repeat this myth over and over like some brainwashed Moonie. Is the housing policy of buying your home being pulled not because of the fact we are running out of housing stock Stuart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil McCracken Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 That's when folk will realise that all these new powers just aren't going to appear and when the Tory/UKIP coalition are really f**king Scotland over. A Tory / UKIP coalition? I would have thought that, under the 'first past the post' system, UKIP's vote will end allowing The Lib Dems and Labour to win seats they wouldn't otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class of 76-77 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 The Labour party just like the rancid Tory party are finished in Scotland. anyone who thought that they would fulfil their empty promises must be suffering from some kind of delusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/alex-salmond-blasted-over-suggestion-4302700?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Alex Salmond and Jim Sillars showing yet more Nazi similarities. Apparently now they want the Scottish Government to overthrow Westminster. Throw that into the mix with Sillars " Day of Reckoning" and it's clear Scotland dodged a bullet last Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil McCracken Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I think the vow, coupled with previous assertions of more powers probably accounted for anything from 2-5% of a late swing Living in Fife, i can tell you that Brown's intervention on THAT bandwagon took a huge amount of voters over to NO How did you arrive at those figures of 2-5%? Did you just make them up off the top of your head? On your second point, do you know a 'hue amount' of people? And specifically, do you know a 'huge amount' of people who were going to vote yes and then switched to yes? How many people are we talking about? How did you ask them all? Did you manage to ask them all over the weekend? Or did you just make that up off the top of your head as well?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambiebud Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 It seems the more affluent the area, the higher was the no vote in general, to use slartibartfast's terminology, it was life's losers who voted yes it was a landslide no in the capital as Glasgow, n lanarkshire & w dunbartonshire r all co joined, maybe they could declare independence and leave the rest of us to get on with it? we could even build a new independent corridor road up to dundee build a big fence to keep them in and give them an annual payment towards their giros? I'll bite. You really are a fanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo57 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 The Celtic pub in Linwood has Yes banners and posters all over it , I know a few who did vote Yes because the blue side were voting No simple as that . Are the International Socialists the ones that claim they are Irish and sing about the homeland even though the only connection to Ireland is supporting the vermin? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo57 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos_h264high/9C370D7F4F1124836624618942464_SW_WEBM_1411156158449e32a747f8d.mp4?versionId=45M6V9JWQhRyxxJmMf14yweJ2aNRtRx4 Edited September 22, 2014 by Vambo57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 How did you arrive at those figures of 2-5%? Did you just make them up off the top of your head? On your second point, do you know a 'hue amount' of people? And specifically, do you know a 'huge amount' of people who were going to vote yes and then switched to yes? How many people are we talking about? How did you ask them all? Did you manage to ask them all over the weekend? Or did you just make that up off the top of your head as well?... Seriously some of these Natsi's have taken the word "meltdown" to a new level. Alex Salmond on TV talking about staging some sort of political coup to get Independence without ever getting a mandate from the people of Scotland. Jim Sillars claiming that a win for the SNP in the Holyrood elections of 2016 should be seen as a mandate for independence. Then you've got the lists of Scottish businesses and individuals who spoke out against Independence that have started to appear on Facebook with instructions to boycott them - completely disregarding the effect that doing so may have on Scottish jobs - especially when in many cases those companies competitors are based are often English or Irish companies. Add to that the bizarre claims of electoral fraud. My wee Sister hasn't spoken to me for 5 months in the build up to the referendum. She was a staunch Yes voter and obviously I was a staunch No voter. We couldn't sit together without having a blazing political row. She was at the count in Stirling on Thursday night through to Friday morning and she's been at many, many counts in the past. Yet on Facebook she's been the one ripping apart those stories of electoral fraud firstly by telling people of the real life process in those counting centres where votes are checked and double checked and where everything is being watched closely. She's also been able to explain away the three main videos that went viral that supposedly "proved" fraud according to the Yessers. And she finally made the point that if Yes voters genuinely believed that Scotland was so tin pot that we couldn't manage our own electoral counts without corruption that we had absolutely no place voting for Independence in the first place. Its time the Natsi's stopped damaging their case and just shut up. They were beaten easily, beaten and beaten well. And for all the credit they deserve for getting 1.5m out of their homes to vote Yes, the No campaign - despite the enormous f**k up that was - still managed over 400,000 more votes. This "45" campaign that they are running is more bizarre than Tom Hendrie claiming that the 5-0 defeat against Inverness wasn't as bad as it looked cause St Mirren won more corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) I think the vow, coupled with previous assertions of more powers probably accounted for anything from 2-5% of a late swing Living in Fife, i can tell you that Brown's intervention on THAT bandwagon took a huge amount of voters over to NO No votes 2,001,926Yes votes 1,617,989 Difference 383,937 votes A swing of 191,969 votes from No to Yes required to allow Yes to win by 1 vote 191,969 as a percentage of 2,001,926 is 9.589% This is the % swing required to change the result. Edited due to typo Edited September 22, 2014 by E=Mc2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 E=MC2 your yes vote figure is different from Dorothys by over 100,000. lol I've got an o'level arithmetic and got 100% in the prelim. And I'm not from Wishey. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I've got an o'level arithmetic and got 100% in the prelim. That's probably why you are missing the concept of a reference point. It's about a 5% swing with reference to the overall vote total which is how these things are normally done. WGAS anyway. It's only 200,000 shy of a Yes win needed next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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