The Referendum Thread

[Guest TPAFKATS]

When you called did Nhs 24 tell you that you are fantasist who has a compulsive lying disorder?

[Guest TPAFKATS]

"If Scotland does become independent, this will have no effect on your state pension - you will continue to receive it just as you do at present."

Department for Work & Pensions

Clarity, clarity, clarity...

[Stuart Dickson]

Very good point. I phoned them once after taking unwell and they recommended that I get someone to drive me to A&E. Ok I thought and off we went. I arrived at A&E and told the Triage Nurse what happened and what my symptoms where and the fact that I'd called NHS 24. She said they shouldn't have told me to go to A&E as she was "up to my neck tonight". It was some size of neck as well as she was a huge mama that looked like her daily breakfast consisted of fifteen Mars Bars followed by a box of doritos.

You'll have interrupted her watching Eastenders, X Factor or some other bullshit TV. Nurses are right lazy f**kers

[smcc]

You'll have interrupted her watching Eastenders, X Factor or some other bullshit TV. Nurses are right lazy f**kers

Some nurses are "right lazy f***kers", as are some pipe-fitters. Most of the nurses I knew during my 40 years in the NHS were very hard working.

[Charlotte Saint]

You'll have interrupted her watching Eastenders, X Factor or some other bullshit TV. Nurses are right lazy f**kers

you really are an obnoxious c**t

[BoWSaint]

Dear oh dear, the NHS isn't safe with the SNP even with plenty of funding thanks to the Union. Imagine how f**ked it will be if Scots take leave of their senses and vote Yes in September.

The UK government target for A&E is 98% of all patients being seen within 4 hours of arriving at hospital. In Scotland the Scottish Government found that Scottish Hospitals were all failing so they reduced that target to 95% of all patients. It transpires today that only Tayside is meeting that reduced target and that Glasgow and Lanarkshire in particular are failing badly yet Alex Neil turned up at Wishaw General today to boast that they've managed to improve services since January by 0.5% from 93.5% in December 2013 to 94% today.

Since the last Scottish Election in 2008 the number of patients left waiting for more than 4 hours in A&E has gone from 36,000 to 104,000.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27314835

Maybe we're seeing the true cost of the SNP policy of making NHS car parking free of charge - even for consultants and surgeons who earn more than £100k per annum - and of free prescriptions for those who can easily afford to pay.

Regarding healthcare after independence. Here's a video.

[groucho]

It's all falling apart

An interesting report; a Better Together campaign co-ordinator for Edinburgh east labour party ( Gary Wilson) has moved to the Yes camp. A worrying development for Better Together as they don't have very many campaign co-ordinators. Certainly not enough to start losing them.

Here is his reason why he has changed sides.

“I had to step down from my role as I gradually realised that we are not in fact ‘better together’. I have listened to all of the arguments whether economic, social or emotional and I am now convinced th...at independence is the right thing for Scotland.

My decision to vote and campaign for a Yes vote came as I was sitting in a room in a large house discussing Better Together strategy with representatives from parties I have nothing in common with, which represent privilege, greed and the status quo – notions completely at odds with my Labour background.

I am deeply passionate about fairness and equality and have been saddened by the Tories’ attempt to dismantle our welfare state by attacking the most vulnerable in society. I have come to believe that independence is the only vehicle available for change, hope and to rid Scotland of neoliberal politics. "

[smcc]

It's all falling apart

An interesting report; a Better Together campaign co-ordinator for Edinburgh east labour party ( Gary Wilson) has moved to the Yes camp. A worrying development for Better Together as they don't have very many campaign co-ordinators. Certainly not enough to start losing them.

Here is his reason why he has changed sides.

“I had to step down from my role as I gradually realised that we are not in fact ‘better together’. I have listened to all of the arguments whether economic, social or emotional and I am now convinced th...at independence is the right thing for Scotland.

My decision to vote and campaign for a Yes vote came as I was sitting in a room in a large house discussing Better Together strategy with representatives from parties I have nothing in common with, which represent privilege, greed and the status quo – notions completely at odds with my Labour background.

I am deeply passionate about fairness and equality and have been saddened by the Tories’ attempt to dismantle our welfare state by attacking the most vulnerable in society. I have come to believe that independence is the only vehicle available for change, hope and to rid Scotland of neoliberal politics. "

And, regardless of what Sicko Dicko says, the NHS in England is no longer a National Health Service but a series of unconnected bodies, all looking out for their own interests with patients becoming a secondary consideration.

[salmonbuddie]

A Wings Over Scotland piece about the above:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/quoted-for-truth-extra/

[salmonbuddie]

UKOK you say? Really?

http://michaelgreenwell.wordpress.com/2014/05/09/play-this-everywhere/

[FTOF]

which represent privilege, greed and the status quo

And that ladies and gents is what voting "No" is all about.

Edited May 10, 2014 by FTOF

[salmonbuddie]

No, he's like me. He's not jealous, not a failure, not poor. But he does have a conscience.

Think about that.

[FTOF]

No, he's like me. He's not jealous, not a failure, not poor. But he does have a conscience.

Think about that.

I'm presuming the sad little wank stain has posted shite again.

Don't worry, his cell door will be locked soon.

[Bud Bundy]

I am being à complete tosser again?

Awritey Sid ma man?

[Bud Bundy]

Talking about the referendum and all, if "Yes" wins, will people who have voted "No" be sent to hospitals and camps?

Max, You will go where you are told and I don't care about the tear's running down your green cheeks - You and Dicko, Will be sharing thé same jacket and Cell.?

[Bud Bundy]

At least Stu D will give me inspirational and intellectual conversation and he can tell me what shops to avoid if we managed to escape the Nats.

Brothers in Arms.? Wee word off advice, Ignore his choice of Butcher , And his concept of customer service.?

[Stuart Dickson]

And that ladies and gents is what voting "No" is all about.

Well it's better than the disadvantaged, poverty that the Yes Campaign offers. And Status Quo were always and will always be better than the f**king Proclaimers

[Stuart Dickson]

At least Stu D will give me inspirational and intellectual conversation and he can tell me what shops to avoid if we managed to escape the Nats.

There may be shops post independence but the queues will be massive as rationing kicks in as Scotland learns the hard way that Socialism has never worked

[salmonbuddie]

I'm presuming the sad little wank stain has posted shite again.

Don't worry, his cell door will be locked soon.

Yup, never fails, then did the very grown-up thing of quoting me and altering what I said.

Do they call them cell doors in asylums?

[smcc]

Well it's better than the disadvantaged, poverty that the Yes Campaign offers. And Status Quo were always and will always be better than the f**king Proclaimers

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/the-secret-oil-report-we-find-the-crucial-report-advising-westminster-not-t.24189400

Have a look at this, Stu. Better together under the UK? I am sure that you will argue that it was a Labour government that ignored McCrone's advice but subsequent Tory governments did no better. If poverty is an independent Scotland's lot it seems that a lot of the blame lies south of the border.

[FTOF]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/the-secret-oil-report-we-find-the-crucial-report-advising-westminster-not-t.24189400

Have a look at this, Stu. Better together under the UK? I am sure that you will argue that it was a Labour government that ignored McCrone's advice but subsequent Tory governments did no better. If poverty is an independent Scotland's lot it seems that a lot of the blame lies south of the border.

They appear to be far more culpable than the labour party.

I wonder whose pockets they were lining.

Although the good old USA probably managed to ream us, given that Maggie went behind the backs of her cabinet and brokered a secret deal with Carter to buy the white elephant that is Trident, for several billion pounds.

Edited May 11, 2014 by FTOF

[Stuart Dickson]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/the-secret-oil-report-we-find-the-crucial-report-advising-westminster-not-t.24189400

Have a look at this, Stu. Better together under the UK? I am sure that you will argue that it was a Labour government that ignored McCrone's advice but subsequent Tory governments did no better. If poverty is an independent Scotland's lot it seems that a lot of the blame lies south of the border.

I've no idea what age you are or if you remember what Scotland was like back then but I have very vivid memories of my early years in a council flat in Battlefield. I remember well my Mum having a regular battle against the elements every time it rained because the single glaze sash windows werent watertight never mind draught proof. In the winter we would have to scrape ice off the INSIDE of our windows. My Dad also used to tell us how just the bathroom we had inside our flat was a new thing cause in 1969 him and my Mum were sharing a landing toilet with those across the landing. Oh and forget security entrances. Back then closes were wide open which meant every time there was a big game at Hampden the close was being used as a public toilet

When we went to school the school couldn't afford to replace our jotters when they were full. Our "gym" facility was the tarmac covered playground outside. The economy was so bad our milk was taken away from us - not that the milk was good in the first place cause Dairies would use the school run to get rid of their out of date stocks.

The walk to school was interesting too. On cold days we were instructed to wear scarves over our faces to offer some sort of protection against the thick smog. The Clyde and the Cart were sewage ridden messes - you certainly wouldn't go fishing cause there was none to find. We had large industries like Ravenscraig regularly pumping toxic material into our soil. And a GPO so dependent on government subsidy despite their total monopoly of the telecommunications market.

Now if you are in charge of your household finances you have to make choices. One may be to let your family live in squalor while you stash money away for a rainy day, or you could spend it improving conditions for everyone and reconciling that with the thought that you were investing in the future by improving learning and opportunity.

The UK today, even for those supposed poorest in society is a pretty decent place to live. It's certainly miles better than the shit fest I lived through in my formative years. Indeed can you imagine the uproar had we squirralled away mountains of cash whilst people were still living in damp ridden slums like the Hutchison E blocks from the Gorbals where my Gran lived.

Rewriting history to spin a story is what the natsi press is good at. You shouldn't be falling for it

Edited May 11, 2014 by Stuart Dickson

[Isabella Duke]

I've never understood this stuff about poverty.

My mother-in-law spent most of her working life on benefits as a single parent. She was on disability. Not that she actually had a disability, she just said that working wasn't worthwhile for the wages on offer.

She's now a pensioner on a state pension (paid for by NI credits after her years on disability benefit). She also gets pension credit, council tax benefit and housing benefit.

She's just booked up to got to Majorca in August - as she usually does. It's her second holiday this year.

My wife laughs when she ever reads any mention of poverty. Her upbringing was about the 'poorest' level there is... but she didn't think she was poor. Now that she has cash she still doesn't look back on her childhood as living in poverty. I met her when we were both 16. I certainly don't remember her being 'poor'. Indeed, she used to save up money she got back then for attending school so she could also go on holiday! She had more cash than me.

Poverty indeed...

It doesn't exist in the UK. Anyone who is 'poor' is 'poor' because they squander their cash on drink and drugs.

Edited May 11, 2014 by Isabella Duke

[Drew]

I've never understood this stuff about poverty.

My mother-in-law spent most of her working life on benefits as a single parent. She was on disability. Not that she actually had a disability, she just said that working wasn't worthwhile for the wages on offer.

She's now a pensioner on a state pension (paid for by NI credits after her years on disability benefit). She also gets pension credit, council tax benefit and housing benefit.

She's just booked up to got to Majorca in August - as she usually does. It's her second holiday this year.

My wife laughs when she ever reads any mention of poverty. Her upbringing was about the 'poorest' level there is... but she didn't think she was poor. Now that she has cash she still doesn't look back on her childhood as living in poverty.

Poverty indeed...

It doesn't exist in the UK. Anyone who is 'poor' is 'poor' because they squander their cash on drink and drugs.

[Stuart Dickson]

Weren't they being built at the same time as the oil being discovered and coming on line. Wouldn't want you being accused of spinning a story to suit your agenda.

Nope. They were built in the 60s and demolished in the 80s.