oaksoft Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Good that you have clarified that your not a fan but more of a fanny. THAT is what you took from my post......hang on we're going round in circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambud Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) FFS.......Div gave us the biggest non story since the creation of the internet!!! surely you've just been wooshed?!? :p Edited April 26, 2015 by Hambud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Saint Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 In St. Mirren's case, as the majority of the investment is owned by the directors themselves, this means that they only really need to impress themselves? They wouldn't need to appear on every national new outlet to do that surely? For 'investors' in our case, read 'fans'. Think that's the point he's trying to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 For 'investors' in our case, read 'fans'. Think that's the point he's trying to make. No, I don't think he was. Investors = shareholders Customers = fans Stuart actually had a point though. I don't disagree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Saint Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 No, I don't think he was. Investors = shareholders Customers = fans Stuart actually had a point though. I don't disagree with him. There's an enormous difference though between football 'customers' and customers elsewhere.Plenty of people are regular customers at Asda. However, they don't cheer when Asda is doing well. They don't buy and wear replica Asda uniforms to wear when they go to Asda. They don't contribute to Asda forums to praise or bemoan the condition of the food aisles or checkout service. They don't sing songs about how much they love Asda. They don't pay money upfront every year for the pleasure of going to Asda. Football fans are not customers. They are people who to one degree or another buy into the very fabric of a club through years of commitment and passion and love for what it represents to them and their community. Incidentally, I think he had a good point too, so looks like we're in agreement in any case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 There's an enormous difference though between football 'customers' and customers elsewhere. Plenty of people are regular customers at Asda. However, they don't cheer when Asda is doing well. They don't buy and wear replica Asda uniforms to wear when they go to Asda. They don't contribute to Asda forums to praise or bemoan the condition of the food aisles or checkout service. They don't sing songs about how much they love Asda. They don't pay money upfront every year for the pleasure of going to Asda. Football fans are not customers. They are people who to one degree or another buy into the very fabric of a club through years of commitment and passion and love for what it represents to them and their community. Incidentally, I think he had a good point too, so looks like we're in agreement in any case! No-one gets an Asda tattoo, or has a brick outside saying 'Pozbaird - Deli Counter forever'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Feckin' Asda. I paid good money to watch that mince! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I've got a bag for life. Serves me right for getting married. Drum rollllllll....... Ker-tish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 There's an enormous difference though between football 'customers' and customers elsewhere. Plenty of people are regular customers at Asda. However, they don't cheer when Asda is doing well. They don't buy and wear replica Asda uniforms to wear when they go to Asda. They don't contribute to Asda forums to praise or bemoan the condition of the food aisles or checkout service. They don't sing songs about how much they love Asda. They don't pay money upfront every year for the pleasure of going to Asda. Football fans are not customers. They are people who to one degree or another buy into the very fabric of a club through years of commitment and passion and love for what it represents to them and their community. Incidentally, I think he had a good point too, so looks like we're in agreement in any case! and kick them in the balls when they're down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) There's an enormous difference though between football 'customers' and customers elsewhere. Plenty of people are regular customers at Asda. However, they don't cheer when Asda is doing well. They don't buy and wear replica Asda uniforms to wear when they go to Asda. They don't contribute to Asda forums to praise or bemoan the condition of the food aisles or checkout service. They don't sing songs about how much they love Asda. They don't pay money upfront every year for the pleasure of going to Asda. Football fans are not customers. They are people who to one degree or another buy into the very fabric of a club through years of commitment and passion and love for what it represents to them and their community. Incidentally, I think he had a good point too, so looks like we're in agreement in any case! Asda is the wrong example. To see the similarities between fans and customers you need to think about companies like Microsoft and Apple. Apple certainly have customers who could easily be described as evangelical fans. Microsoft has them too. Those customers have woven themselves into the fabric of those two companies as well as any football fan to his club. Apart from anything else, YOU may believe you are a fan and not a customer but you can be absolutely certain that the majority of football clubs see fans as customers to be milked repeatedly. For my part, I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. Fans are extreme customers. How about that? Edited April 29, 2015 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Asda is the wrong example. To see the similarities between fans and customers you need to think about companies like Microsoft and Apple. Apple certainly have customers who could easily be described as evangelical fans. Microsoft has them too. Those customers have woven themselves into the fabric of those two companies as well as any football fan to his club. Apart from anything else, YOU may believe you are a fan and not a customer but you can be absolutely certain that the majority of football clubs see fans as customers to be milked repeatedly. For my part, I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. Fans are extreme customers. How about that? I forged a career thanks to Apple, their Macintosh computers, and the staff at Cardonald College who taught me on them. I used them every day at work, only ever use them at home, and I come out in a nasty rash if I even get within 50 yards of a Windows PC.They don't even come close to what the thing is I feel for St Mirren. A zillion miles away. An Apple computer never saw me hug my dad at Dundee when Fergie's Furies won Division 1. An Apple computer never saw me cry my eyes out as I wheeled my dad's wheelchair out of Love Street for what I knew would be his last time. Apple computers never saw me hug complete strangers at the Motherwell 3-2 game, stare into the middle distance blankly at the end of the 2010 League Cup final, or throw my scarf away in disgust at the end of the Hammarby game. Steve Jobs and Apple never caused me to fall on my arse 'invading' an ice-covered pitch.... oh, if only I were wearing Adidas Sambas. Comparing Apple to St Mirren is so far apart, a zillion miles probably doesn't cover it. Edited April 29, 2015 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Big IF but IF results did go our way this Saturday then free buses to Dingwall may go some way to restoring relations. Would help the team in what would then be a massive match and would compensate the fans for what has been a wretched season so far. Just a suggestion but must be worth considering by the club if we win and Well lose this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltcoatsbuddie Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Big IF but IF results did go our way this Saturday then free buses to Dingwall may go some way to restoring relations. Would help the team in what would then be a massive match and would compensate the fans for what has been a wretched season so far. Just a suggestion but must be worth considering by the club if we win and Well lose this weekend. hope so as 2 supporters buses already not running buses to dingwall,but its ok as mr Gilmour and his cronies will be there on the team bus free of charge while folk like me now need to find 8 hours and at least £100 to attend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Saint Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Asda is the wrong example. To see the similarities between fans and customers you need to think about companies like Microsoft and Apple. Apple certainly have customers who could easily be described as evangelical fans. Microsoft has them too. Those customers have woven themselves into the fabric of those two companies as well as any football fan to his club. Apart from anything else, YOU may believe you are a fan and not a customer but you can be absolutely certain that the majority of football clubs see fans as customers to be milked repeatedly. For my part, I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. Fans are extreme customers. How about that? How about.....no? Seriously, you're comparing people buying Apple products to people who support football teams?? It's not even remotely similar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Saint Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Speak for yourself. :Morrisons for me personally. Great fresh bread counter. Although I don't wear a Morrisons scarf or badge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 There's an enormous difference though between football 'customers' and customers elsewhere. Plenty of people are regular customers at Asda. However, they don't cheer when Asda is doing well. They don't buy and wear replica Asda uniforms to wear when they go to Asda. They don't contribute to Asda forums to praise or bemoan the condition of the food aisles or checkout service. They don't sing songs about how much they love Asda. They don't pay money upfront every year for the pleasure of going to Asda. Football fans are not customers. They are people who to one degree or another buy into the very fabric of a club through years of commitment and passion and love for what it represents to them and their community. Incidentally, I think he had a good point too, so looks like we're in agreement in any case! I agree with your views here. All irrelevant to the point I was making though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Big IF but IF results did go our way this Saturday then free buses to Dingwall may go some way to restoring relations. Would help the team in what would then be a massive match and would compensate the fans for what has been a wretched season so far. Just a suggestion but must be worth considering by the club if we win and Well lose this weekend. Would it not be better if that money was saved to put towards next seasons budget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I forged a career thanks to Apple, their Macintosh computers, and the staff at Cardonald College who taught me on them. I used them every day at work, only ever use them at home, and I come out in a nasty rash if I even get within 50 yards of a Windows PC. They don't even come close to what the thing is I feel for St Mirren. A zillion miles away. An Apple computer never saw me hug my dad at Dundee when Fergie's Furies won Division 1. An Apple computer never saw me cry my eyes out as I wheeled my dad's wheelchair out of Love Street for what I knew would be his last time. Apple computers never saw me hug complete strangers at the Motherwell 3-2 game, stare into the middle distance blankly at the end of the 2010 League Cup final, or throw my scarf away in disgust at the end of the Hammarby game. Steve Jobs and Apple never caused me to fall on my arse 'invading' an ice-covered pitch.... oh, if only I were wearing Adidas Sambas. Comparing Apple to St Mirren is so far apart, a zillion miles probably doesn't cover it. I used to go to virtually every saints game, home and away for 30 years. I felt similar to you. I've been to 6 games in the past 3 years. Just twice this season and only after some persuading from my son. I have found better things to spend my time and money on. Using oaksoft's example, given the choice of spending my cash on a saints season ticket or an iphone, I would pick the iphone. I am a customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I used to go to virtually every saints game, home and away for 30 years. I felt similar to you. I've been to 6 games in the past 3 years. Just twice this season and only after some persuading from my son. I have found better things to spend my time and money on. Using oaksoft's example, given the choice of spending my cash on a saints season ticket or an iphone, I would pick the iphone. I am a customer. Your more of a supporter that is out of touch with the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Would it not be better if that money was saved to put towards next seasons budget? A win a Dingwall might have a huge bearing on the budget for next season depending on results before that and a few buses wouldn't pay more than a couple of months wages for 1 player ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 A win a Dingwall might have a huge bearing on the budget for next season depending on results before that and a few buses wouldn't pay more than a couple of months wages for 1 player ! So you think the directors should use their own money to pay for supporters busses to Dingwall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rea Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 So you think the directors should use their own money to pay for supporters busses to Dingwall? they have in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 they have in the past When was the last time they did? Have they since the club went up for sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 A win a Dingwall might have a huge bearing on the budget for next season depending on results before that and a few buses wouldn't pay more than a couple of months wages for 1 player ! Our home results this season show that a larger number of Saints fans attending the game may not be helpful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 So you think the directors should use their own money to pay for supporters busses to Dingwall? It works out as a bit of sound business for the home club(County) to pay for the buses. If they paid for four at around £600 each = £2400 and got a discount for cash\bulk order (Roy) of say 15% £360 meaning it would cost around £2k. Lets say 50 full paying adults on each bus = 200 @ £20 = £4k through the turnstiles. £2k to the good, plus any pie sales etc. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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