foxbar_bud Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Have to agree Goodwin was at fault for every goal lost. Even though he was part of the management team as was pointed out above he could not pick his own position admitting ( I AM NOT COMFORTABLE AT CENTRE BACK - COPYRIGHT JIM GOODWIN 2015 ) 2 years after playing centre half when we won the cup? Happy to play centre half when doing well, not so when we are playing badly? Convenient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 It would appear that Murray is playing a waiting game, backed up with a cursory poor offer to Goodwin & Thommo. The thinking being offer them a low almost derogatory deal, perhaps with coaching the youth team chucked in . If they accept Murray gets some 'cheap as chips' experience in his staff/squad... If they reject it he gets to say 'I made them a very good offer, but they declined, and decided to look elsewhere'. Given the obvious lack of influence issues Teale had with Goodwin & Thommo, does anyone really think that Murray either wants or could handle them both..? The signing of Agnew makes Goodwin's position less tenable as we look like we are heading to attempt to sign all below average height midfielders again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) It would appear that Murray is playing a waiting game, backed up with a cursory poor offer to Goodwin & Thommo. The thinking being offer them a low almost derogatory deal, perhaps with coaching the youth team chucked in . If they accept Murray gets some 'cheap as chips' experience in his staff/squad... If they reject it he gets to say 'I made them a very good offer, but they declined, and decided to look elsewhere'. Given the obvious lack of influence issues Teale had with Goodwin & Thommo, does anyone really think that Murray either wants or could handle them both..? The signing of Agnew makes Goodwin's position less tenable as we look like we are heading to attempt to sign all below average height midfielders again. Agnew (assuming he signs) is a very different type of player to Goodwin, as I understand it. Aside from that, I agree with elements of what you are saying. I do have some concern regarding the residual agendas that certain senior players might (and I emphasise MIGHT) have. That said, Murray has to be strong enough to stamp his own authority, and there is no way we can or should prejudge that. Edited June 9, 2015 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) Agnew (assuming he sign) is a very different type of player to Goodwin, as I understand it. Aside from that, I agree with elements of what you are saying. I do have some concern regarding the residual agendas that certain senior players might (and I emphasise MIGHT) have. That said, Murray has to be strong enough to stamp his own authority, and there is no way we can or should prejudge that. I think given my experiences, and probably a lot of others on here who have similar experiences, we can prejudge it if either or both leave the club because of a derisory offer. I must point out that doesn't mean either or both leaving is wrong!Thommo will retire very soon, Goodwin is what he is, the judgement is about who replaces, or fills those voids? If they go that is the whole spine of the last few seasons gone too, which would necessitate a new spine of the team to be created, and that brings the need to have other 'big characters' in the squad. We will be able to make an assessment if either or both go, and who replaces them! Remember the rumour out is that Gow will be offered a new deal.... Would you swap a 'non scoring striker with more clubs than Rory McElroy' for a fit Thommo in the championship..? If that is what comes to pass then i think we can judge Murray only wants his yes men. Edited June 9, 2015 by Lord Pityme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeabuddy Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Really hope it's Thompson that stays, not concerned at all at the prospect of Goodwin leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 It would appear that Murray is playing a waiting game, backed up with a cursory poor offer to Goodwin & Thommo. The thinking being offer them a low almost derogatory deal, perhaps with coaching the youth team chucked in . If they accept Murray gets some 'cheap as chips' experience in his staff/squad... If they reject it he gets to say 'I made them a very good offer, but they declined, and decided to look elsewhere'. Given the obvious lack of influence issues Teale had with Goodwin & Thommo, does anyone really think that Murray either wants or could handle them both..? The signing of Agnew makes Goodwin's position less tenable as we look like we are heading to attempt to sign all below average height midfielders again. The second part of your first sentence is pure speculation unless you somehow know what ST and JG are being/have been offered. Would it not be better to wait to hear about/read the facts once decisions have been made? It is like criticing the first quarter of the new season before a ball is kicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think given my experiences, and probably a lot of others on here who have similar experiences, we can prejudge it if either or both leave the club because of a derisory offer. I must point out that doesn't mean either or both leaving is wrong! Thommo will retire very soon, Goodwin is what he is, the judgement is about who replaces, or fills those voids? If they go that is the whole spine of the last few seasons gone too, which would necessitate a new spine of the team to be created, and that brings the need to have other 'big characters' in the squad. We will be able to make an assessment if either or both go, and who replaces them! Remember the rumour out is that Gow will be offered a new deal.... Would you swap a 'non scoring striker with more clubs than Rory McElroy' for a fit Thommo in the championship..? If that is what comes to pass then i think we can judge Murray only wants his yes men. I agree with your last paragraph and maybe decisions will be based on available budgets e.g Gow's wages are much less than Thommo's despite by he latter being more effective if fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think given my experiences, and probably a lot of others on here who have similar experiences, we can prejudge it if either or both leave the club because of a derisory offer. I must point out that doesn't mean either or both leaving is wrong! Thommo will retire very soon, Goodwin is what he is, the judgement is about who replaces, or fills those voids? If they go that is the whole spine of the last few seasons gone too, which would necessitate a new spine of the team to be created, and that brings the need to have other 'big characters' in the squad. We will be able to make an assessment if either or both go, and who replaces them! Remember the rumour out is that Gow will be offered a new deal.... Would you swap a 'non scoring striker with more clubs than Rory McElroy' for a fit Thommo in the championship..? If that is what comes to pass then i think we can judge Murray only wants his yes men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 It would appear that Murray is playing a waiting game, backed up with a cursory poor offer to Goodwin & Thommo. The thinking being offer them a low almost derogatory deal, perhaps with coaching the youth team chucked in . If they accept Murray gets some 'cheap as chips' experience in his staff/squad... If they reject it he gets to say 'I made them a very good offer, but they declined, and decided to look elsewhere'. Given the obvious lack of influence issues Teale had with Goodwin & Thommo, does anyone really think that Murray either wants or could handle them both..? The signing of Agnew makes Goodwin's position less tenable as we look like we are heading to attempt to sign all below average height midfielders again. Offer to Goodwin? Why would he need to make an offer to Goodwin? Goodwin already has a contract for next season. Signing an attacking midfielder makes Goodwin's position less tenable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr rotund Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Goodwin isn't going anywhere i fail to see what's hard to understand about this. He has a year left on his contract and unless Murray says he won't play him then Jim will be raring to go for pre season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 The second part of your first sentence is pure speculation unless you somehow know what ST and JG are being/have been offered. Would it not be better to wait to hear about/read the facts once decisions have been made? It is like criticing the first quarter of the new season before a ball is kicked. Ned-i-lee Ded-i-lee.... Its all feckin speculation, thats the only thing that is definite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Offer to Goodwin? Why would he need to make an offer to Goodwin? Goodwin already has a contract for next season. Signing an attacking midfielder makes Goodwin's position less tenable? Goodwin is on a 50% wage cut, and can go if he wants. I think Murray would much rather he went as he seems reluctant to keep the 'big characters' as did Teale post split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Ned-i-lee Ded-i-lee.... Its all feckin speculation, thats the only thing that is definite! There is speculation, and there is making shite up. I'll leave others to draw their own conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Goodwin is on a 50% wage cut, and can go if he wants. I think Murray would much rather he went as he seems reluctant to keep the 'big characters' as did Teale post split. Goodwin has already said he wants to stay. Other than Teale what 'big characters' have left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 There is speculation, and there is making shite up. I'll leave others to draw their own conclusions. I speculate that Goodwin is on a 50% wage cut mainly because he said so himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Goodwin has already said he wants to stay. Other than Teale what 'big characters' have left? He and Thommo have both said they want to stay, with the rumour Murray has re-signed Gow, and the fact that Murray Iike Teale cant handle the bigger characters perhaps they are both off to other championship clubs? I had a dream last night where Goodwin scored a 30 yard screamer against us at Palmerston ...! And they said he would never get a bigger club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 He and Thommo have both said they want to stay, with the rumour Murray has re-signed Gow, and the fact that Murray Iike Teale cant handle the bigger characters perhaps they are both off to other championship clubs? I had a dream last night where Goodwin scored a 30 yard screamer against us at Palmerston ...! And they said he would never get a bigger club! Difference being of course, Goodwin already has a contract. So if he wants to stay there isn't much Murray can do, save from pay off the full year left on his deal, which would be madness. The 'fact' Murray can't handle bigger characters? Is that really a fact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 The 'fact' Murray can't handle bigger characters? Is that really a fact? One can only assume he said so himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan4ever Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think that if in fact (which I dont beleive for a minute) Murray cannot deal with senior players then the board have got it wrong again. No different in theory to any management position you must earn respect. I hate all the rumour crap posted on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 He and Thommo have both said they want to stay, with the rumour Murray has re-signed Gow, and the fact that Murray Iike Teale cant handle the bigger characters perhaps they are both off to other championship clubs? I had a dream last night where Goodwin scored a 30 yard screamer against us at Palmerston ...! And they said he would never get a bigger club! Again pure conjecture on whether IM can handle bigger characters. Where are you getting your information from or are you just making it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I hate all the rumour crap posted on here It is what it is, mate. Surely you don't expect anything else from a fitba forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Again pure conjecture on whether IM can handle bigger characters. Where are you getting your information from or are you just making it up? The many voices in his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Looks like Goodwin issue resolved then. IM says he wants him to stay, Jim Goodwin has said he wants to stay and he has a contract. Looking forward to seeing the legend continue his career in the stripes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie88 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Looks like Goodwin issue resolved then. IM says he wants him to stay, Jim Goodwin has said he wants to stay and he has a contract. Looking forward to seeing the legend continue his career in the stripes Here here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Jim Goodwin is an official St Mirren player for season 2015 to 2016 close down the thread its an embarrassment to our legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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