shull Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 From 11am this morning, the Jury at the Inquest, will deliver their verdicts on 14 questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalky1 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Hopefully justice will prevail and the people who told lies will be found guilty off unlawful killing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Can criminal proceedings follow on from the inquest results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Can criminal proceedings follow on from the inquest results? If the verdict is unlawful killing, one would expect so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Unlawful killing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Blair Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Hillsborough jury confirm they have unanimously decided the 96 fans were unlawfully killed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Tragic a person made a mistake resulting in this horror. Also tragic it's taken this long to get some sort of closure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Tragic a person made a mistake resulting in this horror. Also tragic it's taken this long to get some sort of closure. It was also the lies and conspiracy that followed that must have compounded the grief of those who lost loved ones. Kelvin McKenzie of the Sun should be eviscerated for the role of that despicable rag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Tragic a person made a mistake resulting in this horror. Also tragic it's taken this long to get some sort of closure. Well, tbh this, after 27 years, brings us to the end of the beginning...................... This is merely the initiation of the pursuit now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 At least we will finally have justice, I hope those responsible- Burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 I'm actually saddened by this verdict. Not that I'm denying there was a cover up and an attempt to pervert the course of justice, just that I don't think these deaths were down to any individual. The fact is that Hillsborough was a death trap - an accident waiting to happen. You've got a poorly designed stadium, located badly, with too few turnstyles, that has been modified with high perimeter fencing designed to keep spectators in pens rather than to allow them the escape route onto the trackside and onto the pitch. Add to that factors like many of the fans turning up too close to kick off, the surging and swelling of fans, the referee's reluctance to delay kick off, and the reality that a number of fans in the area had turned up without tickets hoping to either buy one off a fellow supporter at the ground, or hoping to manage to sneak in if the opportunity arose and you've got all the ingredients for the disaster that ultimately happened here. Add that to the fact that there had been previous incidents where lessons clearly weren't learned and it all becomes a tragic waste of life. If only there had been appropriate escape routes onto the pitch. If only the majority of fans had turned up an hour before kick off. If only the stadium had been all seated with a reduced capacity as it is today. If only there had been an appropriate number of stewards to divert fans from the overcrowded pen, into the one next door no-one would have lost their life and we wouldn't have been spending £millions in taxpayers money trying to find a scapegoat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Well that never took long, all we need now is the other attention seeker to go on a long winded rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Well that never took long, all we need now is the other attention seeker to go on a long winded rant.On you go then. Opinions are welcomed. Why not his? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 On you go then. Opinions are welcomed. Why not his? Attention seeking troll whose previous view on hillsborough was that the fans were to blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Justice finally done . Hopefully the police envolved are now subject to criminal proceedings . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Attention seeking troll whose previous view on hillsborough was that the fans were to blame?Who you cannot stop reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Who you cannot stop reading.I can.I don't read more than the first sentence or two of those long winded posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Or 3 Or 5 Or more likely, every single word. Cannae get enough of Stu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 I'm actually saddened by this verdict. Not that I'm denying there was a cover up and an attempt to pervert the course of justice, just that I don't think these deaths were down to any individual. The fact is that Hillsborough was a death trap - an accident waiting to happen. You've got a poorly designed stadium, located badly, with too few turnstyles, that has been modified with high perimeter fencing designed to keep spectators in pens rather than to allow them the escape route onto the trackside and onto the pitch. Add to that factors like many of the fans turning up too close to kick off, the surging and swelling of fans, the referee's reluctance to delay kick off, and the reality that a number of fans in the area had turned up without tickets hoping to either buy one off a fellow supporter at the ground, or hoping to manage to sneak in if the opportunity arose and you've got all the ingredients for the disaster that ultimately happened here. Add that to the fact that there had been previous incidents where lessons clearly weren't learned and it all becomes a tragic waste of life. If only there had been appropriate escape routes onto the pitch. If only the majority of fans had turned up an hour before kick off. If only the stadium had been all seated with a reduced capacity as it is today. If only there had been an appropriate number of stewards to divert fans from the overcrowded pen, into the one next door no-one would have lost their life and we wouldn't have been spending £millions in taxpayers money trying to find a scapegoat. Whilst I hear what you say, and yes the ground was an accident, so were many stadiums in those days, there were decisions that were taken that should have been avoided. Also agree to the pound of flesh analogy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Tony is the troll. My post was on topic and an expression of my honestly held point of view. Tony is the one attempting to make a personal attack taking the discussion off topic and sadly he's managing it. I'll be interested to see what individuals get thrown up in the ensuing witch hunt off that back of todays verdict and whether anyone will actually find them guilty in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Police chief Duckenfield for starters . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Whilst I hear what you say, and yes the ground was an accident, so were many stadiums in those days, there were decisions that were taken that should have been avoided. Also agree to the pound of flesh analogy . Yep, but each decision was a reaction to a situation that was developing. For example opening the gates to alleviate a crush outside the stadium causing fans to rush up the slope and into the first pen has often been criticised as a poor decision, but what if the gates weren't opened? Would the deaths have happened outside the stadium instead? The fact is that the lessons learned from Hillsborough have since been acted upon and the improvement in fan safety has increased dramatically as a result. The biggest improvement has been in terms of facilities. We now have grounds where there are sufficient numbers of turnstyles in all seater stadia where matches that are going to be close to capacity are all ticket and where each ticket allocates a specific section of the ground. We also tend not to enclose fans behind fences, and where clubs do the fences have been designed with escape in mind. Indeed the improvement in facilities has meant that many clubs now have reduced policing at every match and instead there is a reliance put on far cheaper to hire stewards. There will be a witch hunt against certain police officers that will happen now. Whilst some of them were obviously guilty of perverting the course of justice - I don't think any of them were guilty of killing anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Who was responsible then for the unlawful killing of the 96 fans ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Stadium design was at fault. Sheffield Wednesday were at fault. The fans died because of crushing in the central pens. The behaviour of the fans was not a factor in the deaths. The actions of the police, specifically opening gates to allow a flood of fans to rush in, and then compound that by not having anyone guide them to the end pens resulted in 96 fans being unlawfully killed. Why did it take 27 years to come to conclusions that were pretty damn clear about a fortnight after the disaster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Blair Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Why did it take 27 years to come to conclusions that were pretty damn clear about a fortnight after the disaster? Because the Police, who knew they were culpable very early on, covered up evidence right from the off with the help of high ranking politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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