Pepé Le Pew Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 The only FACTS indicating a positive result are that it's a derby and we don't lose derbies against this outfit (well not in this century). Our form this season is disastrous but there are signs that Ross is getting some of his ideas across. Should be a pretty straight forward motivational exercise for Jack and the players are well aware of the predicament we find ourselves in. So, time to roll up the sleeves and leave everything out on the park. I'm not really convincing myself yet but I think we can get a draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 36 minutes ago, aber 87 said: Train times anyone? 19:07 Gilmour St 19:26 Cartsdyke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Yeah that's my opinion. We're bottom by three points, in terms of league games we've missed out on the "dead cat bounce" although to be fair I didn't expect to pick up any points against Dundee Utd. & Hibs but Morton are a class below those two teams. You've said previously that we're the worst in the division & that you expect us to lose tonight, if that's the case then why would you expect us to do any better against any of the other average Championship teams? We're chasing a moving target and unless Ross can devise more effective tactics and we start to pick up points from games like tonight's then that only leaves us the H2H's against Dumbarton and Dunfermline to close the gap unless we can improve the quality of the squad in January (which I already mentioned). If neither occurs then yeah I'd reckon 9th is the best we can expect. Given what you've said where do you expect us to finish if we don't have a good "transfer window"? So your opinion is a 4 point game between ourselves and 8th becomes insurmountable if we lose tonight? Despite there being 25 games to go? That's clearly a load of nonsense to be fair.When Alex Rae was appointed in December last year we were 10 points behind QOTS. We finished above them. And that was without a single win against any of the top 4 - the better than average teams as you call them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Morton 21/20, St Mirren 5/2....................5/2 the draw. Generous odds.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepé Le Pew Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Morton 21/20, St Mirren 5/2....................5/2 the draw. Generous odds.......................... Draw/ No Bet Saints? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 15 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: Can only hope there is something in it for the buddies heading to a dreech night in Greenock. Got a feeling we will all be talking about Quitongo tomorrow night. The lad seems to have grown physically and looks like he will be a class act - but - not tonight please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: The lad seems to have grown physically and looks like he will be a class act - but - not tonight please. He doesn't need to be a class act to beat our defence................ I am bloody nervous!!! Morton aren't that great but people on here seem to forget just how bad we are........ 4 points- and 3 of those were saved in last 10 mins......... correct me if I am wrong but its only Sons away and Pars away that we have taken the lead, and that resulted in a draw and a loss. Edinburgh City are doing better than we are..... As are Strathspey. Only Sunderland have had a worse start but they could still beat our points total. Is this not the worse start in our history??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, DougJamie said: He doesn't need to be a class act to beat our defence................ I am bloody nervous!!! Morton aren't that great but people on here seem to forget just how bad we are........ 4 points- and 3 of those were saved in last 10 mins......... correct me if I am wrong but its only Sons away and Pars away that we have taken the lead, and that resulted in a draw and a loss. Edinburgh City are doing better than we are..... As are Strathspey. Only Sunderland have had a worse start but they could still beat our points total. Is this not the worse start in our history??? DJ No arguing with the facts and yes, you may be right about this being our worst ever start. My grandson has drawn two very short straws as his English team courtesy of his other grandad is Sunderland. Nervous - you bet - hopeful - that too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: DJ No arguing with the facts and yes, you may be right about this being our worst ever start. My grandson has drawn two very short straws as his English team courtesy of his other grandad is Sunderland. Nervous - you bet - hopeful - that too! Geez mate Saints and Sunderland that's suicidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Would take a draw tonight we were lucky when we played them at home to get a point , hopefully that and getting six from the next two will kick us on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, linwood buddie said: Would take a draw tonight we were lucky when we played them at home to get a point , hopefully that and getting six from the next two will kick us on . If you could guarantee that number of points then I would bite your hand off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 26 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: If you could guarantee that number of points then I would bite your hand off. In that case i'm guaranteeing nothing , I need my hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 11 minutes ago, linwood buddie said: right In that case i'm guaranteeing nothing , I need my right hand. Far too much detail, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Far too much detail, thanks. I could be a leftie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Just now, linwood buddie said: I could be a leftie. So, I'm ambidextrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, faraway saint said: So, I'm ambidextrous. That's handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Max Bygraves. ..remember him? Sang "You need hands" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, TopCat said: So your opinion is a 4 point game between ourselves and 8th becomes insurmountable if we lose tonight? Despite there being 25 (26 to be pedantic) games to go? That's clearly a load of nonsense to be fair. When Alex Rae was appointed in December last year we were 10 points behind QOTS. We finished above them. And that was without a single win against any of the top 4 - the better than average teams as you call them. As usual you don't answer the questions asked merely continue in the same self-contradictory manner. We're starting from a lower point than last season when results improved immediately after AR was appointed, that hasn't happened this time round - all I'm saying is they'll have to do so again if we're to move up the table. You've said we're the worst team in the division, that you expect us to get beaten tonight by an average Morton team, something that didn't happen last year, have offered no reason why that sort of form shouldn't continue at least until the January window and still think it's reasonable to assume we'll reach 8th position if it goes on beyond that, like I said I find that self contradictory or are you offering a guarantee that QotS will implode again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggie Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Normally when Saints appear certain to lose, they manage to pull something out of the bag. Lets hope tonight is one of those times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 As usual you don't answer the questions asked merely continue in the same self-contradictory manner. We're starting from a lower point than last season when results improved immediately after AR was appointed, that hasn't happened this time round - all I'm saying is they'll have to do so again if we're to move up the table. You've said we're the worst team in the division, that you expect us to get beaten tonight by an average Morton team, something that didn't happen last year, have offered no reason why that sort of form shouldn't continue at least until the January window and still think it's reasonable to assume we'll reach 8th position if it goes on beyond that, like I said I find that self contradictory or are you offering a guarantee that QotS will implode again? What's self contradictory exactly. Yes, we are the worst team in the league. The table doesn't lie. Unless you are saying it is lying...?We are starting at a lower point but that doesn't mean we can't improve by the same amount. The same amount of improvement as last season from December onwards would see us safe. It wasn't just QOTS who 'imploded'. We closed the gap on Morton from 14 points to 1 by the last day. We overtook Dumbarton and finished well clear of them. That's just how leagues work, a decent second half of the season and we will finish 8th or higher regardless of what happens between now and January.I think we will lose tonight but to resign ourselves to the relegation playoffs at best if we do is quite clearly ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Froggie said: Normally when Saints appear certain to lose, they manage to pull something out of the bag. Lets hope tonight is one of those times. No, they usually lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 24 minutes ago, faraway saint said: 24 minutes ago, faraway saint said: So, I'm ambidextrous. 19 minutes ago, linwood buddie said: That's handy. ... especially in Saudi Arabia... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 8 hours ago, TopCat said: What's self contradictory exactly. Yes, we are the worst team in the league. The table doesn't lie. Unless you are saying it is lying...? We are starting at a lower point but that doesn't mean we can't improve by the same amount. The same amount of improvement as last season from December onwards would see us safe. It wasn't just QOTS who 'imploded'. We closed the gap on Morton from 14 points to 1 by the last day. We overtook Dumbarton and finished well clear of them. That's just how leagues work, a decent second half of the season and we will finish 8th or higher regardless of what happens between now and January. I think we will lose tonight but to resign ourselves to the relegation playoffs at best if we do is quite clearly ridiculous. Put your hanky back in the handbag mate we are going to win to night. How is that you ask / I got a good feeling mate I really have. Anyway have you thrown the towel in or are you getting yourself to Greenock to give the boys a much needed support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Put your hanky back in the handbag mate we are going to win to night. How is that you ask / I got a good feeling mate I really have. Anyway have you thrown the towel in or are you getting yourself to Greenock to give the boys a much needed support. You've been saying that every week all season... law of averages you will be right one day I'll be there tonight. In hope more than expectation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) 57 minutes ago, TopCat said: What's self contradictory exactly. Yes, we are the worst team in the league. The table doesn't lie. Unless you are saying it is lying...? We are starting at a lower point but that doesn't mean we can't improve by the same amount. The same amount of improvement as last season from December onwards would see us safe. That there's no sign so far that after changing managers we are improving or any guarantee that we will improve like last season, we've just lost to the two best teams in the division, if we don't manage a draw against an average Championship team tonight (unless you've changed your mind on that issue) why would you expect the worst team in league (which I've never denied) to improve between now and January? 57 minutes ago, TopCat said: It wasn't just QOTS who 'imploded'. We closed the gap on Morton from 14 points to 1 by the last day. We overtook Dumbarton and finished well clear of them. That's just how leagues work, a decent second half of the season and we will finish 8th or higher regardless of what happens between now and January. I think we will lose tonight but to resign ourselves to the relegation playoffs at best if we do is quite clearly ridiculous. So you're relying on three of the other teams to implode again, like I've said an assumption that you can't guarantee and a "decent second half to the season" again based on what you can't guarantee. I didn't say that we'd end up in the relegation play-offs if we lose tonight, I qualified it consistently by saying it would depend on what JR could do in the January transfer window - feel free to check. Flawed analogies, inaccuracies and optimistic assumptions - it's quite clear you're the one looking ridiculous. Edited November 1, 2016 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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