faraway saint Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Suggestion said: Okay so it was my account that should of been deleted for saying it’s a shame we’re not actual convicted criminals or we would be offered jobs at the club ? Not exactly what you said but I'll leave the self destruction to you. Should your account be deleted, oh fecking aye with your clear allegations and your attitude to anyone who disagrees with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Suggestion said: Okay so it was my account that should of been deleted for saying it’s a shame we’re not actual convicted criminals or we would be offered jobs at the club ? I would suggest have. Also, maybe we should refuse anybody entry to our Stadium who has a criminal conviction ? Good suggestion ? Although, I think if sentence has been served then all are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 As far as the recent W7 senario is concerned at the moment , there would seem to be a couple of Human Rights violations . [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Wendy Saintss said: Aye, I deleted that bit in my reply, typical nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Some people see what they want to see, there were 2 posts that were way over the top. Didnt see the posts, so cant comment on them. The real issue would appear to be the club not having the Kahoonas to invite half a dizen or so of the W7 crew to sitbdown and talk it through. They somehow think they can do everything at arms length now through an SLO for example. But these guys can't make the decisions, so the W7 team feel like the are just being spun along, and nothing gets properly resolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Lord Pityme said: Didnt see the posts, so cant comment on them. The real issue would appear to be the club not having the Kahoonas to invite half a dizen or so of the W7 crew to sitbdown and talk it through. They somehow think they can do everything at arms length now through an SLO for example. But these guys can't make the decisions, so the W7 team feel like the are just being spun along, and nothing gets properly resolved. We're going in fecking circles here. Aye, lack of willingness to communicate is a surprise but I, or indeed you, don't know what's going on so for the good of this group, I hope it gets resolved sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Not exactly what you said but I'll leave the self destruction to you. Should your account be deleted, oh fecking aye with your clear allegations and your attitude to anyone who disagrees with you. Your the one making allegations now? If that’s not exactly what I said what did I say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Suggestion said: Your the one making allegations now? If that’s not exactly what I said what did I say? Spin away all day, the posts were made, quoted by a couple of people and, IMO, should have been deleted, along with your account. You have detracted from the decent defence that was being made by a few others, well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Spin away all day, the posts were made, quoted by a couple of people and, IMO, should have been deleted, along with your account. You have detracted from the decent defence that was being made by a few others, well done. The defence is still as simple as it is we’re fans not criminals and will not be treated as such. I then said exactly what I said about and your calling out for my account to be deleted? Dont you think it’s hypocritical that we be treated as criminals by both the board and the police yet there are real criminals working at the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Suggestion said: The defence is still as simple as it is we’re fans not criminals and will not be treated as such. I then said exactly what I said about and your calling out for my account to be deleted? Dont you think it’s hypocritical that we be treated as criminals by both the board and the police yet there are real criminals working at the club? Care to expand on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, faraway saint said: Care to expand on this? Do some digging yourself I’m not getting into personal wars by naming anyone but end of the day it’s fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattman Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, faraway saint said: Care to expand on this? The herald link was posted last night, not long before post was removed. Tbh it ain’t hard to find on google if you search certain staffs names. It’s been discussed on here before IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Only one contribution to make to this debate. Several posters repeatedly suggested that the thread itself was divisive. It was dividing fans and exacerbating g tensions between the board and thegroup. Credit was given to W7 for their match day contributions but also suggested that they ,like any one else are not right 100 per cent of the time. The banner at Ibrox brought unneeded attention onto W7. The banner on Friday compounded that. The debate became acrimonious and allegations and supposed allegations made about hard working club officials meant that the thread was heading for deletion. W7....I love the noise and colour you bring to games. Please concentrate on that in tandem with working with the board and respecting their right to make decisions, even if you find it hard to accept these. Dissapointed in how some of the supposed members of W7 conducted themselves on here. Time to move on. Lessons learned I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Care to expand on this? Just guessing but perhaps the poster is alluding to the fact that the club are involved in rehabilitation of young offenders who through at least one scheme are put to work around SMP? could be right, could be wrong? If so i would suggest to the W7 guys its not much of an arguement at all. Dont drag people not involved into it, but continue to,press the club for a proper resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Just guessing but perhaps the poster is alluding to the fact that the club are involved in rehabilitation of young offenders who through at least one scheme are put to work around SMP? could be right, could be wrong? If so i would suggest to the W7 guys its not much of an arguement at all. Dont drag people not involved into it, but continue to,press the club for a proper resolution. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 44 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said: I think most of us have looked in askance for years , going back to Love St days , at what OF fans get away with compared to how our own fans or the supporters of other provincial Clubs are treated and really l don't think there is much that can be done about that as neither stewards or police have the presence to deal with it. If you simply point and say "Well they got away with it", you are being the victim. As far as the recent W7 senario is concerned at the moment , there would seem to be a couple of Human Rights violations . Human Rights are something you are legally entitled too. . I do think there needs to be dialogue with the individuals concerned and the Club about the matters that have been raised rather than discussed at great length on here as that isn't really benefitting any party at the moment . Just spotted this cracker. Human Rights? Away and behave yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 The thread ws deleted because last night someone from W7 decided to use the forum to test the boundaries with predictable results. And today there is a cry of victimisation again. Becoming a habit isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Suggestion said: Two reasons the thread could of been deleted in my opinion. The club didn’t like the 15 pages of discussion of them. or The club didn’t like the 1 page discussing real criminals *have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/edumat/hreduseries/hereandnow/Part-5/8_udhr-abbr.htm Edited September 18, 2018 by saintnextlifetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalky1 Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, saintnextlifetime said: http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/edumat/hreduseries/hereandnow/Part-5/8_udhr-abbr.htm Was it Article 19 that has been violated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, chalky1 said: Was it Article 19 that has been violated? Probabaly not the only one. . Article 1 Right to Equality Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security Article 4 Freedom from Slavery Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family Article 17 Right to Own Property Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections Article 22 Right to Social Security Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard Article 26 Right to Education Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalky1 Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, saintnextlifetime said: Probabaly not the only one. . Article 1 Right to Equality Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security Article 4 Freedom from Slavery Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family Article 17 Right to Own Property Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections Article 22 Right to Social Security Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard Article 26 Right to Education Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights I Know, just a bit if fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 The thread in question was removed by me late last night as there were numerous posts within it that were an open and shut case for defamation of character. Those posts were absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the actual topic. I'll go back into the topic and remove all the offending posts and merge the topic back into this one. If the same posts appear again they will also be removed and anyone posting them will be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 40 minutes ago, Suggestion said: Do some digging yourself I’m not getting into personal wars by naming anyone but end of the day it’s fact. Calm down Chris. Just because we sacked your big pal Stubbsy. You were bad enough on BT Sport without coming on here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Ok I've went through and removed the stuff that was posted last night. We let so much go on here, but that was WAY over the score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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