Coronavirus

[faraway saint]

23 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

The caution is a trade off to get the numbers low enough* to enable normal schooling come August. Said as much on a news interview there. It's a trade off basically and one that if she sets definite (achievable realistic) parameters and sticks to them, the Scottish public will probably accept.

*continue like this it should be low single figs

Caution? 

Tell that to families who are less than pleased that vulnerable family members, shielded group, are now allowed out.

Aye, cautious can mean whatever you want it to mean. 

As for the Scottish public accepting things, many of the public have been getting on with a near normal life for weeks, with only social distancing and mask wearing anything different from the previous norm. 

[St.Ricky]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

 

 

BBC News - Coronavirus: Matt Hancock's social distancing slip-up caught on camera
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53079006


The public stupidly take their lead from some politicians.

 

Nitwit. Not you.. Him. 

[faraway saint]

1 hour ago, FTOF said:

Maybe you should give her a call and see if she'll take your advice over her scientific advisors.

If her trusted advisors, based on their expertise, are advising caution, then she's going act on their advice.

She's got a few "reviews" going on, which I reckon may have a positive outcome within a slightly shorter time period than stated.

Having said that, I do happen to think that all shops should be allowed to open as long as they and the shoppers follow the current social distancing and PPE advice.

I've got a feeling that the beer garden decision stems from the fact that if when they open, there are two chances of social distancing being observed. i.e. None and fuck all!

I was in work this week and, if the current trend in numbers persists, I'm even more convinced that, come August, a normal timetable will be in place, without the requirement for "blended learning".

 

N Ireland to introduce a 1m distancing rule, allowing close to normal schooling. 

Can't find "when" this will happen.

The R rate is currently between .6-.9

There will also be changes to the two metre social distancing requirement for schools. Pupils will be required to stay one metre apart, with teachers remaining two metres from their class members.

 

[St.Ricky]

Yawn. We are getting there. In Nicola we trust. 

[Ayrshire Saints]

Caution? 
Tell that to families who are less than pleased that vulnerable family members, shielded group, are now allowed out.
Aye, cautious can mean whatever you want it to mean. 
As for the Scottish public accepting things, many of the public have been getting on with a near normal life for weeks, with only social distancing and mask wearing anything different from the previous norm. 

What we have been doing has been working fine, people can continue as they have been. Shielded can go out now did she not say ? One thing I would say is the half dozen or so shielders I know have no intention of going out, they are elderly and happy enough shielding for now.

[St.Ricky]

1 minute ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Caution? 
Tell that to families who are less than pleased that vulnerable family members, shielded group, are now allowed out.
Aye, cautious can mean whatever you want it to mean. 
As for the Scottish public accepting things, many of the public have been getting on with a near normal life for weeks, with only social distancing and mask wearing anything different from the previous norm. 

What we have been doing has been working fine, people can continue as they have been. Shielded can go out now did she not say ? One thing I would say is the half dozen or so shielders I know have no intention of going out, they are elderly and happy enough shielding for now.

Completely agree. My wife is shielding. Her only outing in the last 14 weeks was an unintended hospital visit. No rush.. Having spent 8 years bed bound in her 30s this is a dawdle. 

[faraway saint]

7 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Caution? 
Tell that to families who are less than pleased that vulnerable family members, shielded group, are now allowed out.
Aye, cautious can mean whatever you want it to mean. 
As for the Scottish public accepting things, many of the public have been getting on with a near normal life for weeks, with only social distancing and mask wearing anything different from the previous norm. 

What we have been doing has been working fine, people can continue as they have been. Shielded can go out now did she not say ? One thing I would say is the half dozen or so shielders I know have no intention of going out, they are elderly and happy enough shielding for now.

Think you've misread the shielding bit. 

My point is if it's safe, according to the Scottish government, for people in the shielding group to go out the R rate is low enough for many other aspects of life to return to closer to normal.

PS If the forum fool is agreeing with you it's a sign you're in trouble. 

[St.Ricky]

I see the numpty fae Arbrothwock is attempting to justify himself.. Again. 

This is the guy who rushed out to B & Q and then complained about all of the idiots who... Had rushed out to B & Q. You couldn't make it up. 

[faraway saint]

Just now, St.Ricky said:

I see the numpty fae Arbrothwock is attempting to justify himself.. Again. 

This is the guy who rushed out to B & Q and then complained about all of the idiots who... Had rushed out to B & Q. You couldn't make it up. 

No he didn't. 

Go on prove it. 

You need your medication increased. 🤡

[St.Ricky]

There he goes again. What you are doing is called Deflection. Often used by politicians and numptys. 

[Cookie Monster]

I see the numpty fae Arbrothwock is attempting to justify himself.. Again. 
This is the guy who rushed out to B & Q and then complained about all of the idiots who... Had rushed out to B & Q. You couldn't make it up. 

If you're going to criticise someone, the least you can do is get the facts right.

Ffs, what was I thinking, imagine trying to tell the resident Walter Mitty to get facts right.

[St.Ricky]

1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:

If you're going to criticise someone, the least you can do is get the facts right.

Ffs, what was I thinking, imagine trying to tell the resident Walter Mitty to get facts right.

Oh dear.. Dont talk about the Wee man that way. He is easily hurt. 

[faraway saint]

5 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

If you're going to criticise someone, the least you can do is get the facts right.

Ffs, what was I thinking, imagine trying to tell the resident Walter Mitty to get facts right.

He can do nothing right, one of lifes losers, let him troll away, it's what he does best. 

[St.Ricky]

Very touchy. 

[windae cleaner]

2 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

The caution is a trade off to get the numbers low enough* to enable normal schooling come August. Said as much on a news interview there. It's a trade off basically and one that if she sets definite (achievable realistic) parameters and sticks to them, the Scottish public will probably accept.

*continue like this it should be low single figs

The first casualty of a crisis is the truth

There's people still dying of this in this country despite what the media tell us

There's a rush to get things back to normal as some play by the rules many don't

Double standards everywhere you look

I really feel for the people who have had loved ones pass away during this

During the week i witnessed people watching a live link to a wee woman funeral as they aren't permitted to attend.

Along a few gardens rammed with more than 2 families in the same household

During the next few weeks it going to be a case of feck it as pressure grows to be back to normal

[ALBIONSAINT]

I was watching Big Train last night on Prime, and for some reason St Ricky and Faraway Saint came to mind ....

[FTOF]

30 minutes ago, windae cleaner said:

The first casualty of a crisis is the truth

There's people still dying of this in this country despite what the media tell us

There's a rush to get things back to normal as some play by the rules many don't

Double standards everywhere you look

I really feel for the people who have had loved ones pass away during this

During the week i witnessed people watching a live link to a wee woman funeral as they aren't permitted to attend.

Along a few gardens rammed with more than 2 families in the same household

During the next few weeks it going to be a case of feck it as pressure grows to be back to normal

Indeed.

The government is well aware that a significant proportion of the population have been in "fuck it" mode for a few weeks now.

The latest measures are a last ditch attempt to delay full on "f**k it" mode, by appealing to the better nature of the section of the population that have been sticking largely to the rules, in the hope that they'll thole it out for a few weeks more.

 

[Guest TPAFKATS]

I was watching Big Train last night on Prime, and for some reason St Ricky and Faraway Saint came to mind ....

Beavis and Butthead have matured.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Indeed.
The government is well aware that a significant proportion of the population have been in "fuck it" mode for a few weeks now.
The latest measures are a last ditch attempt to delay full on "f**k it" mode, by appealing to the better nature of the section of the population that have been sticking largely to the rules, in the hope that they'll thole it out for a few weeks more.
 

Hoping the majority stick with it, most of the time while knowing some will always be cunts.

[oaksoft]

8 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

9 hours ago, FTOF said:

Indeed.
The government is well aware that a significant proportion of the population have been in "fuck it" mode for a few weeks now.
The latest measures are a last ditch attempt to delay full on "f**k it" mode, by appealing to the better nature of the section of the population that have been sticking largely to the rules, in the hope that they'll thole it out for a few weeks more.
 

Hoping the majority stick with it, most of the time while knowing some will always be cunts.

You can keep saying stuff like this but it's not helpful.

The country is nearing the point where swathes of the country make the decision for Sturgeon.

It'll end up being about 6 weeks to fully go from Phase 1 to Phase 2. People are just not going to tolerate this for much longer.

There's a pub chain talking about opening up in the UK at the start of July whether lockdown is lifted or not. The alternative is bankruptcy and huge numbers of redundancies. Millions of businesses are in the same boat. None of them are going to listen to accusations of being "cunts" coming from those safely tucked away on PAYE or furlough payments.

We need to be at a full implementation of Phase 3 within a few weeks with distancing to 1m or there won't be an economy to come back to. No amount of calling people "cunts" is going to change that.

 

Edited June 19, 2020 by oaksoft

[St.Ricky]

33 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

You can keep saying stuff like this but it's not helpful.

The country is nearing the point where swathes of the country make the decision for Sturgeon.

It'll end up being about 6 weeks to fully go from Phase 1 to Phase 2. People are just not going to tolerate this for much longer.

There's a pub chain talking about opening up in the UK at the start of July whether lockdown is lifted or not. The alternative is bankruptcy and huge numbers of redundancies. Millions of businesses are in the same boat. None of them are going to listen to accusations of being "cunts" coming from those safely tucked away on PAYE or furlough payments.

We need to be at a full implementation of Phase 3 within a few weeks with distancing to 1m or there won't be an economy to come back to. No amount of calling people "cunts" is going to change that.

 

I am on furlough from one of my businesses. Despite my age, I still do work. That business has applied for support. Each of the my sons run successful businesses and have had to furghlough Staff whilst they work from home. 

So.. I do undrstand the plight of businesses but my wife is shielding and I have been home bound too.

But I have founded a charity and a Community Interest Company in November 19 and March 2020.so can hardly be said to have been sitting on my backside. Many people have volunteered throughout Scotland. Including 24 to help us achieve this  

Most of these have been on on furlough. All of it has been done online. A major part of our plans include opening a centre in a shopping Precinct. This is on hold but the costs aren't! 

Is it important to survival that we get through lockdown quickly.. YES. But not at any cost. To coin a Phrase All Lives Matter. I won't swear at those who don't follow the guidance but do hope they think again. 

Edited June 19, 2020 by St.Ricky

[FTOF]

9 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

10 hours ago, FTOF said:

Indeed.
The government is well aware that a significant proportion of the population have been in "fuck it" mode for a few weeks now.
The latest measures are a last ditch attempt to delay full on "f**k it" mode, by appealing to the better nature of the section of the population that have been sticking largely to the rules, in the hope that they'll thole it out for a few weeks more.
 

Hoping the majority stick with it, most of the time while knowing some will always be cunts.

That ship has sailed I'm afraid. IMO the people most likely to stick with it are those who have been directly affected by Covid, in that close friends or relatives have died or they have worked in an environment where they have witnessed people dying from it or people who are looking after individuals who are shielding or in the highly vulnerable category.

If my circle of friends and acquaintances are anything to go by (they're relatively normal), most people won't have been affected in the ways described above and will have a more relaxed attitude to measures designed to suppress the virus and instead focus on the economy and things that will make them happier, like going out for meal or to the pub.

I've been fortunate that through all this I've been working, albeit in very different circumstances than I'm used to, and I know that I'll be going back to work in August. Unfortunately, people on furlough will be quite rightly worried about whether they've got a job to go back to or not. The sooner we get the likes of manufacturing, construction, retail and leisure back to normal, the better the prospects for people's livelihoods.

I'm right in the middle here, as I can see the desperate need for the economy to re-start, but personally I still have very good reason to avoid being infected. The latter is why I will, in the main, be sticking to the current advice.

Edited June 19, 2020 by FTOF

[faraway saint]

59 minutes ago, FTOF said:

That ship has sailed I'm afraid. IMO the people most likely to stick with it are those who have been directly affected by Covid, in that close friends or relatives have died or they have worked in an environment where they have witnessed people dying from it or people who are looking after individuals who are shielding or in the highly vulnerable category.

If my circle of friends and acquaintances are anything to go by (they're relatively normal), most people won't have been affected in the ways described above and will have a more relaxed attitude to measures designed to suppress the virus and instead focus on the economy and things that will make them happier, like going out for meal or to the pub.

I've been fortunate that through all this I've been working, albeit in very different circumstances than I'm used to, and I know that I'll be going back to work in August. Unfortunately, people on furlough will be quite rightly worried about whether they've got a job to go back to or not. The sooner we get the likes of manufacturing, construction, retail and leisure back to normal, the better the prospects for people's livelihoods.

I'm right in the middle here, as I can see the desperate need for the economy to re-start, but personally I still have very good reason to avoid being infected. The latter is why I will, in the main, be sticking to the current advice.

With the continual debate on how much you can depend on numbers there's not going to be anything around that can give you a figure on people who are complying or not, but as you indicate I'd be surprised if it's a majority who have and certainly are in the last few weeks until now. 

My disappointment  with the announcement yesterday by Nicola is partially to do with the numbers and R rate and personally getting fed up watching the population, pubs/clubs/restaurants apart, doing as they see fit.

Despite the numbers flaunting the rule the numbers are dropping at a considerable rate.

Also, as I've mentioned, business's have already gone to the wall and continue to struggle day by day. We, IMO, are at a stage many business's could open with the social distancing that is going on in quite a number of shops etc at the minute.

@oaksoft makes a decent point, possibly his first for about 3 months, that the slow pace that the phases are being introduced won't wash with the public who, as you say, are already going about their day to day activities as if there is no lockdown. 

I thought the UK government were slightly quick off the mark in reducing the measures, going by the numbers.

The Scottish government are being over cautious going by the numbers. 

I've said continually for a few weeks now, there is no lockdown and the numbers make it safe enough that there is very little threat, or likelihood, of a 2nd wave/spike that @TPAFKATS is praying for.  

[antrin]

1 hour ago, FTOF said:

I'm right in the middle here, as I can see the desperate need for the economy to re-start, but personally I still have very good reason to avoid being infected. The latter is why I will, in the main, be sticking to the current advice.

I think you are doing the sensible, practical, personal thing - as should anyone who feels at all threatened by the virus.

My cousin and her man have been self-isolating since early March and will not rush out to socialise, soon, nor invite the world back home for a bevvy.

Younger generations have little to fear from it.  And, if you’re not in a threatened category, then lockdown really is pretty unnecessary, unless there’s someone at home who is.
By taking personal responsibility for their health, the majority will continue to stay safe.

The govt pfaffing about, with the lifting the date of restrictions For businesses, makes working towards reopening for business untenable for cash-strapped companies.  They have to prepare - and that means more losses to them, especially if the goalposts get shifted.

 

[St.Ricky]

9 minutes ago, antrin said:

I think you are doing the sensible, practical, personal thing - as should anyone who feels at all threatened by the virus.

My cousin and her man have been self-isolating since early March and will not rush out to socialise, soon, nor invite the world back home for a bevvy.

Younger generations have little to fear from it.  And, if you’re not in a threatened category, then lockdown really is pretty unnecessary, unless there’s someone at home who is.
By taking personal responsibility for their health, the majority will continue to stay safe.

The govt pfaffing about, with the lifting the date of restrictions For businesses, makes working towards reopening for business untenable for cash-strapped companies.  They have to prepare - and that means more losses to them, especially if the goalposts get shifted.

 

Pragmatism is the order of the day. There are a lot of philosophers about. I recall the incident in the Douglas Adam book Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy where the philosophers demonstrated against the new computer as they wanted "Rigidly Defined Areas of Uncertainty" Tough times. Worst health and lockdown wise for those who are Shielding. Tough too for businesses and for those in financial difficulties but there are no certainties.