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Angus, not before time, moves into Level 2. 

This is yet another hilarious instruction....................shopping, fecking shopping is now essential enough you can travel in/out of different levels. :lol:

There are exemptions for people who need to travel into, or out of, these areas for essential work, education, shopping or health reasons.

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Both graphs from the ONS weekly covid infection survey

First graph was partly the reason the U.K. government imposed its latest futile lockdown

Second graph is the latest graph with previous data revised.

Ooos, turns out the numbers the government based the lockdown were way too high and infections were actually flat during October and declining before the lockdown began 

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1 minute ago, Sue Denim said:

Both graphs from the ONS weekly covid infection survey

First graph was partly the reason the U.K. government imposed its latest futile lockdown

Second graph is the latest graph with previous data revised.

Ooos, turns out the numbers the government based the lockdown were way too high and infections were actually flat during October and declining before the lockdown began 

 

 

Which I pointed out at he time.

There was no need to impose further restrictions. 

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...and so the cherrypicking continues, gotta love those gammonistas 

From the ONS

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A spokesperson from the ONS said: "Our official estimates of infections are the best estimates based on the data over the past eight weeks at date of publication.

“We publish the full back-series of modelled estimates for transparency and these should not be considered ‘revised official estimates’.

From the DoH

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A spokesperson for the Department of Health said: “We introduced national restrictions to save lives, protect the NHS and the vulnerable, and drive down transmission of the virus.

"It is categorically untrue to suggest the pandemic was shrinking prior to 31 October. 

“The decision to introduce national measures was based on an expert assessment of a range of factors including positive cases, rates in over 60 year old’s, hospital admissions and deaths – and these indicators were all clearly on an upwards trajectory as of late October with R above 1.

"It is not accurate to suggest we based a national policy on one study.”

but seeing as how the @Sue Denim & @faraway saint are now "endorsing" the ONS perhaps they'll agree with their estimate of how many people have actually died from Covid in the UK.

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As of 30 November total of 71,719 deaths have so far been registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, including 65,006 deaths in England and Wales up to November 20 (and registered up to November 28), which were confirmed by the ONS on Tuesday.

Since these statistics were compiled, a further 2,525 deaths are known to have occurred in England, plus 89 in Scotland, 132 in Wales and 64 in Northern Ireland, according to additional data published on the Government’s coronavirus dashboard.

Together, these totals mean that so far, 74,529 deaths involving Covid-19 have taken place in the UK.

The Government’s preferred measure of the official death toll, which counts only those people who died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19, currently stands at 58,448.

As I've asked previously what reason does the ONS have for issuing misleading figures compared to the government?

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54 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

I see the political numbskulls in Scotland and Wales are trying to make an issue of the flying visit by William & Kate.

I prefer to listen to the people who they visited, seemed they were grateful for the visit and the morale boost it provided when people are feeling a bid down. 

You're a day late on this on Scotland anyway, the visit had already attracted criticism from people working with the pandemic. NS was trying to play the issue down, but it got stoked up by the media & Tory politicians who clearly don't have an axe to grind - it's clear to me who the "political numbskulls" are...:whistle

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Edinburgh University Professor Devi Sridhar, who advises the Scottish Government on Covid, tweeted in response to news coverage of the trip: “Some things I will never understand about Britain. Aren’t we all in a pandemic & living under travel restrictions?”

Dr Katrian Farrell, a haemotologist at NHS Forth Valley, tweeted: “I absolutely do not understand why the #RoyalTrainTour is being allowed in Edinburgh. Edinburgh is in tier 3. No non essential travel into or out of region. 

At the daily briefing, the First Minister was asked for clarity on whether the trip had been in breach of the cross-border ban.

She said: “The Royal visit is a matter for the Royal household and the arrangements around it, and any questions about those arrangements, should be directed to the Royal household.

“The Scottish Government was advised about the intention to visit, and we made sure that the Royal Household were aware, as you would expect, of the restrictions in place in Scotland so that could inform both the decision and the planning of the visit.

“Any more questions on that should be directed to the Royal household.”

Tory MSP Murdo Fraser said:  “It seems very petty to be criticising the Royal Family for wanting to thank Scottish NHS staff for their heroic efforts.  

“Given that the First Minister had earlier visited NHS staff, presumably after travelling from her home to work too, it seems a bit odd that she didn’t back this trip and make it clear that it was within the rules.

“Rather than thanking William and Kate for the work they are doing to raise morale at these difficult times, the First Minister seems to be afraid of angering the republicans in her party, so she pandered to them instead.”

A Royal source said: "Travelling across the border is permitted for work purposes.

Personally I happy she said what she said rather than throw her officials under a bus.

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PS - NSs view seems to be shared by Downing St - a political numbskull, indeed! :lol:

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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's decision to tour the UK despite coronavirus restrictions was further questioned on Tuesday when Downing Street repeatedly refused to endorse the trip.

The Prime Minister's official spokesman was asked five times whether he believed the three-day rail journey was necessary or Covid-compliant.

Each time, he simply replied that it was "a matter for the palace," elaborating only to highlight the current guidelines by which the public had been asked to abide.

 

Edited by Bud the Baker

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1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:

...and so the cherrypicking continues, gotta love those gammonistas 

From the ONS

From the DoH

but seeing as how the @Sue Denim & @faraway saint are now "endorsing" the ONS perhaps they'll agree with their estimate of how many people have actually died from Covid in the UK.

As I've asked previously what reason does the ONS have for issuing misleading figures compared to the government?

As you are the king of selective quotes I'll just ignore everything you say, thanks. :byebye

You're getting as bad as Oaky, making stuff up..............................where, exactly, and I asked you similar before and you were made to look a fool then, did I say I was endorsing the ONS? :1eye

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Re the royal visit, i think "its a matter for the palace" is now the standard government advice regarding that bunch of oddballs, whether its breaching Covid travel regulations, Prince Andrew being a nonce, or anything in between.

Edited by Hendo

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1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:

You're a day late on this on Scotland anyway, the visit had already attracted criticism from people working with the pandemic. NS was trying to play the issue down, but it got stoked up by the media & Tory politicians who clearly don't have an axe to grind - it's clear to me who the "political numbskulls" are...:whistle

Personally I happy she said what she said rather than throw her officials under a bus.

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PS - NSs view seems to be shared by Downing St - a political numbskull, indeed! :lol:

 

Wee Nicky, no thought or understanding what he visit meant to the PEOPLE they visited................

She was also asked whether the trip would help boost morale, but made no reference to this question in her response.

31 minutes ago, Hendo said:

Re the royal visit, i think "its a matter for the palace" is now the standard government advice regarding that bunch of oddballs, whether its breaching Covid travel regulations, Prince Andrew being a nonce, or anything in between.

Who breached traveling restrictions? :blink:

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51 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Wee Nicky, no thought or understanding what he visit meant to the PEOPLE they visited................

She was also asked whether the trip would help boost morale, but made no reference to this question in her response.

Who breached traveling restrictions? :blink:

Oh aye, i forgot they were using "its essential because it was work" excuse. I thought the default position was to work from home if you can? Could they not have done their patronizing via zoom?

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3 minutes ago, Hendo said:

Oh aye, i forgot they were using "its essential because it was work" excuse. I thought the default position was to work from home if you can? Could they not have done their patronizing via zoom?

Away and don't talk shite. :lol:

Plenty of people they met were quite happy.

If you don't like the royal family, fair enough, but don't embarrass yourself by posting utter guff. :byebye

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35 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Away and don't talk shite. :lol:

Plenty of people they met were quite happy.

If you don't like the royal family, fair enough, but don't embarrass yourself by posting utter guff. :byebye

Aye, they'll all die happy in the Covid ward.

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2 hours ago, faraway saint said:

As you are the king of selective quotes I'll just ignore everything you say, thanks. :byebye

You're getting as bad as Oaky, making stuff up..............................where, exactly, and I asked you similar before and you were made to look a fool then, did I say I was endorsing the ONS? :1eye

Down below...

4 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

Both graphs from the ONS weekly covid infection survey

First graph was partly the reason the U.K. government imposed its latest futile lockdown

Second graph is the latest graph with previous data revised.

Ooos, turns out the numbers the government based the lockdown were way too high and infections were actually flat during October and declining before the lockdown began 

 

3 hours ago, faraway saint said:

Which I pointed out at the time.

There was no need to impose further restrictions. 

 

Although it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't understand what you were saying - thick or wrong, take your pick. :1eye

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8 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

Down below...

Although it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't understand what you were saying - thick or wrong, take your pick. :1eye

My goodness, your desperation has reached an all time high.

Your sad outlook has consumed you so much you've lost all sense, what a brammer.

Now, away and concoct some other lies and skewed ideas on people. :byebye

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Latest stats out from the ONS yesterday 

As can be seen in the first graph, there are excess deaths since the start of September. This is being driven mainly by people not having access to health services since the start of the pandemic. 
 

The second graph clearly shows the false positive pseudo second wave began early September.

As reported covid deaths increased, deaths of other causes declined. As the number of reported covid deaths begins to decline, the line for excess deaths excluding covid will increase in a mirror image. 

This will become increasingly awkward to explain as the 2 lines converge again.

 

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This graph highlights all cause mortality over the past 20 years.

As can be seen, either side of the pandemic this year, mortality in 2020 has been very low compared historically. This despite the NHS shutting down.

While the pandemic is unusual in that it occurred in Spring, the mortality is no different from a bad flu season.

The lockdown and all restrictions were too late to save any lives at the start of the pandemic and have only served to increase mortality. 
 

The middle class lefties who have driven the restrictions have blood on their hands.

Their virtue, people’s death. 

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What's happened to Sweden's coronavirus myth on here 🤔 seems to have died a death.. I'm guessing it's been brushed under the carpet due to the fact there fatility rate is something like 50 times it's neighbours Finland and Norway. And still rising.. And they have now abandoned their experiment of herd immunity as their country has one of the highest rates of infection in Europe... 

Where have all the ABBA fans gone 

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2 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

What's happened to Sweden's coronavirus myth on here 🤔 seems to have died a death.. I'm guessing it's been brushed under the carpet due to the fact there fatility rate is something like 50 times it's neighbours Finland and Norway. And still rising.. And they have now abandoned their experiment of herd immunity as their country has one of the highest rates of infection in Europe... 

Where have all the ABBA fans gone 

I'm no expert on Sweden but their second wave appears to be largely over in terms of deaths.

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