Wilbur

I agree with what you say, Div, but I'm amazed that you put the blame only on the Manager and the Board. The players do the business on the park ( or rather, they don't, at the moment). They are to blame for not taking a shot, not making a tackle, not finding their man, not tracking their opponent. Leadership and a plan that works from the Manager and openness and honesty from the Board have been sadly lacking this season, but that's only part of the story.

Run that by me again.

No he didn't, that was James Grady.

Wow, Pele's dead ?
How did I miss that one !

What makes this thread "Anti-St Mirren", shull ? Even those who are advocating the sack for DL shouldn't be accused of being anti-St Mirren as they obviously see that option as the best way forward for the club. The Pro-DL and the Anti-DL have opposing viewpoints but they have the same desire for success for our wee team.
I agree it is a fairly pointless thread, but no more so than many others we see started on here. e.g. whereabouts-on-Neilston-Road-to-go-for-the-best-bargain-bacon-rolls-and-a-cuppa-tea kinda thread.

One man's atmosphere is another man's noise. I'd rather just watch the game if that's ok with you, that's what I pay my money for. If I wanted to listen to a tosser scudding a big drum I would join the line of morons watching the loyalists marching in July.
If I had someone belting on a big drum near me for 90 minutes I would hand back my ST forever.

One man's atmosphere is another man's noise. I'd rather just watch the game if that's ok with you, that's what I pay my money for. If I wanted to listen to a tosser scudding a big drum I would join the line of morons watching the loyalists marching in July.
If I had someone belting on a big drum near me for 90 minutes I would hand back my ST forever.

One man's atmosphere is another man's noise. I'd rather just watch the game if that's ok with you, that's what I pay my money for. If I wanted to listen to a tosser scudding a big drum I would join the line of morons watching the loyalists marching in July.
If I had someone belting on a big drum near me for 90 minutes I would hand back my ST forever.

I meant to post this last week but it slipped my mind (in my defence I am old).
Having been the assistant to Craig Levien in the Scotland set-up during the current WC qualifying stage I think it would be fair to expect Peter Houston to have some interest in how his country's national team are performing in the tournament. Maybe not interested enough to make the trip to Macedonia, but surely he could be expected to watch the match live on tv.
I went along to my local on the Friday night to watch the match and, sure enough, Mr Houston was there too.
While the match was being shown on the 3 tvs in the bar, he was in the lounge enjoying the karaoke night.
Maybe he is in the huff.

I agree. Reading over the posts on this thread since full-time yesterday you have to wonder if some of those posting were at the same game I was.
Two weeks ago after the Thistle game I was on here berating the manager and the team for another pathetic, gutless performance. I still believe that DL has to go because he has been in charge during our worst spell of results in years, with the Cup victory only masking just how bad we had become. But the fans' mini-revolt over the past 2 weeks has sent a loud-and-clear message to the manager and players that enough is enough and things must change.
Yesterday's display was, in my opinion, a first small step in the right direction. Yes another defeat, 3 more points pissed away, but there were certainly positives to take from it.
I thought McGregor and McAusland both had blinders - criticism of Cheesy's performance from earlier posters is just bizarre. We passed the ball about better than previously and didn't lack effort. There was much more heart and urgency on display yesterday. After looking like a lost boy for the first half-hour Bahoken suddenly burst into the game and has convinced me that he may have something special to offer us.
A few earlier posters have pointed out that Motherwell didn't even play well to get the 3 points - maybe our guys had something to do with the quality of their performance.
We have problems and mistakes are still being made. Confidence is obviously very low amongst the players, no one is willing to have a dig when the opportunity arises (Newton in particular). Teale was lost when DL switched him to the left side to accommodate Caprice. Grainger continues to be a disappointment and was culpable at Sutton's goal yesterday. McGowan is invisible.
An improved display but only 1 point from 5 games paints a bleak picture. After yesterday I would imagine that DL's coat peg is even shooglier than it was and he desperately needs a couple of wins from our next 3 games otherwise I expect him to be sacked before October.

I agree. Reading over the posts on this thread since full-time yesterday you have to wonder if some of those posting were at the same game I was.
Two weeks ago after the Thistle game I was on here berating the manager and the team for another pathetic, gutless performance. I still believe that DL has to go because he has been in charge during our worst spell of results in years, with the Cup victory only masking just how bad we had become. But the fans' mini-revolt over the past 2 weeks has sent a loud-and-clear message to the manager and players that enough is enough and things must change.
Yesterday's display was, in my opinion, a first small step in the right direction. Yes another defeat, 3 more points pissed away, but there were certainly positives to take from it.
I thought McGregor and McAusland both had blinders - criticism of Cheesy's performance from earlier posters is just bizarre. We passed the ball about better than previously and didn't lack effort. There was much more heart and urgency on display yesterday. After looking like a lost boy for the first half-hour Bahoken suddenly burst into the game and has convinced me that he may have something special to offer us.
A few earlier posters have pointed out that Motherwell didn't even play well to get the 3 points - maybe our guys had something to do with the quality of their performance.
We have problems and mistakes are still being made. Confidence is obviously very low amongst the players, no one is willing to have a dig when the opportunity arises (Newton in particular). Teale was lost when DL switched him to the left side to accommodate Caprice. Grainger continues to be a disappointment and was culpable at Sutton's goal yesterday. McGowan is invisible.
An improved display but only 1 point from 5 games paints a bleak picture. After yesterday I would imagine that DL's coat peg is even shooglier than it was and he desperately needs a couple of wins from our next 3 games otherwise I expect him to be sacked before October.

I agree. Reading over the posts on this thread since full-time yesterday you have to wonder if some of those posting were at the same game I was.
Two weeks ago after the Thistle game I was on here berating the manager and the team for another pathetic, gutless performance. I still believe that DL has to go because he has been in charge during our worst spell of results in years, with the Cup victory only masking just how bad we had become. But the fans' mini-revolt over the past 2 weeks has sent a loud-and-clear message to the manager and players that enough is enough and things must change.
Yesterday's display was, in my opinion, a first small step in the right direction. Yes another defeat, 3 more points pissed away, but there were certainly positives to take from it.
I thought McGregor and McAusland both had blinders - criticism of Cheesy's performance from earlier posters is just bizarre. We passed the ball about better than previously and didn't lack effort. There was much more heart and urgency on display yesterday. After looking like a lost boy for the first half-hour Bahoken suddenly burst into the game and has convinced me that he may have something special to offer us.
A few earlier posters have pointed out that Motherwell didn't even play well to get the 3 points - maybe our guys had something to do with the quality of their performance.
We have problems and mistakes are still being made. Confidence is obviously very low amongst the players, no one is willing to have a dig when the opportunity arises (Newton in particular). Teale was lost when DL switched him to the left side to accommodate Caprice. Grainger continues to be a disappointment and was culpable at Sutton's goal yesterday. McGowan is invisible.
An improved display but only 1 point from 5 games paints a bleak picture. After yesterday I would imagine that DL's coat peg is even shooglier than it was and he desperately needs a couple of wins from our next 3 games otherwise I expect him to be sacked before October.

I hope this is nonsense, I would hate it if Ian Black got into any bother. I've always liked him as a player and as an all round good bloke.
Bazinga !

That'll be one of those specialist porn channels, is it ?

I'm disappointed in this post, wdwb.
What exactly is 'negative' about people wishing to improve a desperately dire situation and suggesting a possible solution ?
You need to check the difference between negativity and realism.
Wishing the status quo is not 'positive' when the situation is perilous.
Sadly, another 'I'm a better supporter than you are' poster.
Disappointed.

I'm disappointed in this post, wdwb.
What exactly is 'negative' about people wishing to improve a desperately dire situation and suggesting a possible solution ?
You need to check the difference between negativity and realism.
Wishing the status quo is not 'positive' when the situation is perilous.
Sadly, another 'I'm a better supporter than you are' poster.
Disappointed.

Remind me how long the Conservatives have been in power in the UK ?
As talented as he no-doubt is, I can't see what influence Mr Salmond can have on the people of Liverpool.

I'm disappointed in this post, wdwb.
What exactly is 'negative' about people wishing to improve a desperately dire situation and suggesting a possible solution ?
You need to check the difference between negativity and realism.
Wishing the status quo is not 'positive' when the situation is perilous.
Sadly, another 'I'm a better supporter than you are' poster.
Disappointed.

My view on the whole situation is that I want Danny to turn things around, but I have serious doubts that he will be able to. The way I see things, Gus came in, got us up, kept us up, got us to a major final and proved himself able to motivate the team in crunch situations. Gus and Andy were photographed on an open top bus holding aloft three trophies won by the club in one season. This is a fact - three (count em'!) trophies. That is a good job well done.
Downside - poor communication with fans, eventually a grim trench warfare style of football, possibly poor relations with the youth set up, and the disaster endgame of the major cup final just about sealed Gus and Andy's fate.
Danny came in - so if we look at the 'downsides' of Gus' tenure, has Danny faced these and taken them on? I would suggest yes - absolutely. Communication with the fans, a concerted effort to play a more attractive style, youth getting a chance, and actually winning the self same trophy that had haunted us. He also achieved a good league finish and like Gus, kept us up. Gus has his open top three trophy photo, Danny has his open top major trophy photo - fact.
Downside? Dreadful league results, questionable squad 'rebuilding' this season, poor tactical awareness of opponents and indeed our own tactics, players out of position, and the club had delivered the new training complex, stadium, and a very decent SP(F)L squad for Danny to crack on with. I would also suggest that Danny's St Mirren are facing much weaker opponents than Gus' sides faced, and Danny has a more talented squad. Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts, Dundee Utd, Killie, and more - not nearly as strong.
In short, I liked Gus and I genuinely like Danny. Both men have delivered success and history should judge them kindly. Between them, they took our club forward and along with the BoD also overseeing the stadium and Ralston set up, the club, IMHO should be well placed to be a club looking to be mixing it with those sniffing Europe, not mixing it with those sniffing relegation. No club has a divine right to be up the top end of the league, but I genuinely believe we can be, and maybe should be.
I think Danny has addressed the issues I'm sure the BoD asked him to, but having done that, I can see things unravelling in front of our eyes. We even regressed to pumping old school hopeful high balls to a front man thrown into the side in desperation having only arrived in the country.
Gus was a trophy winning success, Danny is a trophy winning success, and has addressed the shortcomings of Gus' stewardship. Like Gus before him though, maybe things have simply reached a time where both parties need to move on?

I can assure you that Paul Hartley would be verbally abused and despised before the first whistle of his first game in charge never mind 4 or 5 games into the season.
Appointing that dobber as St Mirren manager would be an act of treachery by our BoD.
Hartley would not be acceptable.

I think this is the guy that sits at the aisle seat just across from me and embarrasses his wife/girlfriend with his outbursts. You have to "admire" his passion but God alone knows what game he is watching based on his yelling and ranting. Hilarious but bizarre is his bawling at Gary Harkins, or "Jamesy" as he always calls him. Maybe I'm being whooshed but it seems like a genuine Trigger-calling-Rodney-Dave situation.

Very good post. There's a lot of good sense in there.
Apparently the answer is none of the above. It's the fault of fans booing at full time.

Very good post. There's a lot of good sense in there.
Apparently the answer is none of the above. It's the fault of fans booing at full time.

For many supporters, we've been here before, so often. Failing teams, indifferent tactics, faltering managers and Boards that jump when they see the panic button, - all this dialogue aimed at DL is no surprise.
Another poster has rightly said that he can smell relegation at St Mirren Park right now - 4 games into the season or not - I agree, it reeks of it.
Thistle showed us up good and proper on Saturday and this is a team that has just come up from the 2nd tier. Right now, I suspect that this disjointed team of ours would struggle to keep up with the top 4 in the 2nd division.
So who is to blame for this situation? Is it the players, the manager or the Board. To some extent you have to blame the players, but not for adopting questionable tactics on a newly promoted team. It took 45 minutes for the management to work out that every bit of pressure being forced on our defence was coming from the wings especially the left wing, just about every supporter could see it happening. The passing was slick and efficient by Thistle as opposed to slack and imprecise by Saints, so in that respect you can blame the players, but not for the long ball punt - that had to come from management. The Board? well why the Board - they run a tight ship, they have a passion for the club and they have guided us to a very stable platform that must be the envy of very many in the game.
Yesterday I posted that there is basically no hiding place for a football manager, it is purely a result based culture. You survive and succeed, or you fall on your sword by virtue of the results. It is the same the whole world over - there aren't many managers who survive if they fail and the poor stats suggest that the end is nigh for DL and probably TC, either that or the Board don't give a toss, which personally is a view I don't subscribe to.
I have so wanted DL to succeed, I believe his philosophy is well intentioned, but if Thistle can come to our ground as Ross County did last year and stick it on us with ease and beat us at our so-called passing game then something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

If 11th place is to be the limit of our ambition for this season with 34 games still to be played we really are in deep doodoo, David.
A change of leadership and a change of attitude on the park, plus the introduction of some tactics (or even one tactic) could transform our season. Pleanty of time to fix it if we start the mending process early enough.