stlucifer Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) I'm pretty sure we won't go up next season - we would need a massive turn around in form for that to happen and I just can't see it. Top half would be more like it. Though if Rangers, Morton, hibs, Falkirk are all in the league, we might well end up with a higher avg AWAY Supporters attendance than this season. FIFY Edited May 15, 2015 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Dundee just released a few more including David Clarkson, who at one point looked to be one of the free transfer signings of the season. Could he do a job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Dundee just released a few more including David Clarkson, who at one point looked to be one of the free transfer signings of the season. Could he do a job? Think he might be worth a punt yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) Spend money to speculate? You really think we should do that? What if we spend money and don't go up...? Thankfully the BOD won't be putting the club at risk by doing that. As is the correct way to run any football club, we won't be spending money we don't have. It's a bit of a myth that our penny pinching puts the BoD on the moral high ground. Other clubs our size are well run, bring in good players and are not honking. Edited May 15, 2015 by magnus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray7 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 It's a bit of a myth that our penny pinching puts the BoD on the moral high ground. Other clubs our size are well run, bring in good players and are not honking. It's not the BoD who pick players to sign. The manager is given a budget to spend and they all seem to do it very poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Then, without investing in a good experienced spine to help the kids, we will be playing safe and going in the opposite direction. Hope you'll enjoy next season's play offs as we try to stave off double relegation. So... Just to clear this up.. You think we should spend money we don't have? It's statements like this that are part of the reason I'm scared of fan ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 It's a bit of a myth that our penny pinching puts the BoD on the moral high ground. Other clubs our size are well run, bring in good players and are not honking. We've had one bad season after a very successful 5 years. That's football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 So... Just to clear this up.. You think we should spend money we don't have? It's statements like this that are part of the reason I'm scared of fan ownership. Stlucifer is right though. The team needs the investment he calls for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray7 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Fright alongside Kelly, Naismith & Baird would be excellent for that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Fright alongside Kelly, Naismith & Baird would be excellent for that level. Aye it's got me scared as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Stlucifer is right though. The team needs the investment he calls for. Where do you suggest this investment comes from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 It's a bit of a myth that our penny pinching puts the BoD on the moral high ground. Other clubs our size are well run, bring in good players and are not honking. Hibs to name one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Stlucifer is right though. The team needs the investment he calls for. Hope he's got a fat wallet then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 We've had one bad season after a very successful 5 years. That's football. I think we have had 3 bad seasons due to cost cutting and poor investment of what little cash was made available. The cup was great and that was a very decent team but it's been downill since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Hope he's got a fat wallet then. Let's forget the footie and just cheer on our EBITDA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 I think we have had 3 bad seasons due to cost cutting and poor investment of what little cash was made available. The cup was great and that was a very decent team but it's been downill since. In the 3 seasons before this one we set and then matched a generational high league position and won a major title. If they're bad seasons, what's a good one? Certainly haven't been any better for over 20 years. We cut costs because income has been cut. If income goes up costs go up. Pretty simple really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 In the 3 seasons before this one we set and then matched a generational high league position and won a major title. If they're bad seasons, what's a good one? Certainly haven't been any better for over 20 years. We cut costs because income has been cut. If income goes up costs go up. Pretty simple really. This utterly catastrophic season surely hasn't been a complete surprise to you? It's been on the cards. We have let good players go and brought in bad ones. Ditto for management. A call for investment in half a dozen good players to supplement the young core of our team and build a strong squad of 15 to challenge for top 4 surely isn't pie in the sky stuff? If it is then the season tickets should be more thsn a tenner cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 This utterly catastrophic season surely hasn't been a complete surprise to you? It's been on the cards. We have let good players go and brought in bad ones. Ditto for management. A call for investment in half a dozen good players to supplement the young core of our team and build a strong squad of 15 to challenge for top 4 surely isn't pie in the sky stuff? If it is then the season tickets should be more thsn a tenner cheaper. Well it followed the most successful period in our modern history. Where do you think the investment should come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Well it followed the most successful period in our modern history. Where do you think the investment should come from? From an aggressive, sustainable business plan that involves challenging every bit of the business to make more money, some borrowings and most important a good team on the park that supporters happily pay money to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 From an aggressive, sustainable business plan that involves challenging every bit of the business to make more money, some borrowings and most important a good team on the park that supporters happily pay money to watch. What suggestions do you have to make more money? Borrowings from whom? No banks will lend to us that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 There have been many viable revenue generating suggestions on these forums. And the banks are lending to businesses with good business plans and proactive management. Our problem is we are for sale. We have no demonstrable ambition and a bleak trajectory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) There have been many viable revenue generating suggestions on these forums. And the banks are lending to businesses with good business plans and proactive management. Our problem is we are for sale. We have no demonstrable ambition and a bleak trajectory.Like what? It's all very well coming out with corporate buzz speak, it's quite another making these things happen.What banks are lending to football clubs these days? And I am absolutely amazed that some of our fans are actually advocating us running up bank debt. Edited May 15, 2015 by TopCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Like what? It's all very well coming out with corporate buzz speak, it's quite another making these things happen. What banks are lending to football clubs these days? And I am absolutely amazed that some of our fans are actually advocating us running up bank debt. If we had a working overdraft in keeping with a £3m or whatever it is turnover business we might have avoided the alleged cash flow crisis that resulted in us selling our best player mid season. Is that not a debate for some bank debt? I'm arguing for 6 good players next season and the ambition to be a top 16 club in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 If we had a working overdraft in keeping with a £3m or whatever it is turnover business we might have avoided the alleged cash flow crisis that resulted in us selling our best player mid season. Is that not a debate for some bank debt? I'm arguing for 6 good players next season and the ambition to be a top 16 club in Scotland. Do you realize the club nearly went bust owing 1.2 million and you want an overdraft of 3 million ! Topcat is correct when he writes banks are not giving loans to football clubs like it or not it's a fact in Scottish football. Banks today do not entertain bad debt which football is seen as. As for raising more cash I have read nothing that would raise the type of capital you are writing about. Would love for you to give us an example. Even when we have been successful in seasons past gate attendances have not changed. I get you mean well and want to see investment in the club like we all do , the simple facts are the money is not there that's why we have to go with youth and some old pros. Where I feel we need to do better is in the contract of young players. We seem to get peanuts when teams like Hamilton , Dundee Unt can pull in seriously big money. Something is wrong within our system with youth - contacts - selling on which needs fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 If we had a working overdraft in keeping with a £3m or whatever it is turnover business we might have avoided the alleged cash flow crisis that resulted in us selling our best player mid season. Is that not a debate for some bank debt? I'm arguing for 6 good players next season and the ambition to be a top 16 club in Scotland. We sold Kenny McLean as part of the agreement we had with him when he resigned for us. I never want to see St Mirren in bank debt again. It almost killed us before and it's caused countless problems to other clubs up and down the UK. There's also no bank in the UK that would lend to us Fan ownership eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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