Harry Hempson Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Parkin played quite a few matches though and clearly fell into the defnition of knocking on the 1st team door. McShane was not in that category despite being 21 (?). Stceys mom has got it going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 We can,t keep every promising youngster ,and we have to make decisions on who is going to make the grade and who isn,t ,and sometimes we will make mistakes ,or the player who is knocked back will buckle down and prove us wrong , Dougie Bell in 1979 and Stuart Munro roundabout 1983 were the only two times I can remember us getting it wrong. If we kept every promising youngster we would have a squad of 47 players with potential taking up our playing budget and very average first eleven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 McShane was not good enough simple as that, I've not seen anything of Jack Smith and I attend most games says it all for me. Move on son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 We can,t keep every promising youngster ,and we have to make decisions on who is going to make the grade and who isn,t ,and sometimes we will make mistakes ,or the player who is knocked back will buckle down and prove us wrong , Dougie Bell in 1979 and Stuart Munro roundabout 1983 were the only two times I can remember us getting it wrong. If we kept every promising youngster we would have a squad of 47 players with potential taking up our playing budget and very average first eleven. Exactly. You can't keep them all and you can't guarantee one won't get through the net. Happens on a very rare basis though. Rick McD had to go back to the 70's to find a good example. That tells you something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I think Jack Smith is still too much of a lightweight but maybe he'll be a late developer. His dad certainly didn't lack bulk. Then again, sometimes youngsters are let go too early and you can end up getting bitten on the bum. We can,t keep every promising youngster ,and we have to make decisions on who is going to make the grade and who isn,t ,and sometimes we will make mistakes ,or the player who is knocked back will buckle down and prove us wrong , Dougie Bell in 1979 and Stuart Munro roundabout 1983 were the only two times I can remember us getting it wrong. From Wikipedia, McCoist's first professional club was St. Johnstone, having signed from Fir Park Boys Club in 1978. McCoist had trained with St. Mirren as a 16-year-old but was rejected by manager Alex Ferguson for being "too small". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I think Jack Smith is still too much of a lightweight but maybe he'll be a late developer. His dad certainly didn't lack bulk. Then again, sometimes youngsters are let go too early and you can end up getting bitten on the bum. From Wikipedia, McCoist's first professional club was St. Johnstone, having signed from Fir Park Boys Club in 1978. McCoist had trained with St. Mirren as a 16-year-old but was rejected by manager Alex Ferguson for being "too small". Again you are quite correct BUT the fact that you are having to go back to the 70's to find an example tells you we're not doing too badly. BTW you are completely discounting the effect being rejected had on McCoist's progress. You are assuming he'd have made the grade anyway. No guarantee of that. Maybe rejection gave him the boot in the baws he needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garf Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 If the post about him being offered another youth contract is true, then it seems pretty straight forward. In the last 8 months or so, he's watched as Reilly, McGinn, Yaqub and Brady all sign professional deals, he clearly feels he deserves to sign on full time too and would rather take his chances elsewhere if he's not going to get the chance to do so. I haven't seen him enough to comment properly, but I have to say I've heard nothing but good things about him. Hopefully he, or the club, has a change of heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Daddy's decision? Obviously thinks he can get him a better gig with his contacts. Good luck with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Really only watched him once (5 -0 win for under 20's last game of the season). I thought he looked good not very quick but quick, not very strong but strong. More importantly I thought he had a bit of composure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Sounds like this nonentity is this summers McShane type figure, where various posters shed salt tears over this wunderkind that no f**ker ever saw play and who wasn't even deemed worth a pro contract. How's McShane doing after he dropped down a level anyway? Haven't heard much about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reborn saint Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 If it's about money then it will be a few tenners .....Wish the boy all the best but St Mirren will be the team to produce and play players in the first 11 .....Great results so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-SMTID Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 More to this? Don't make enemies with David Longwell? http://www.scotzine.com/2013/04/st-mirren-alleged-to-have-used-youth-players-as-construction-labourers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Sounds like this nonentity is this summers McShane type figure, where various posters shed salt tears over this wunderkind that no f**ker ever saw play and who wasn't even deemed worth a pro contract. How's McShane doing after he dropped down a level anyway? Haven't heard much about him. He's been injued all season. Has scored 24 goals in 40-ish appearances but none for Saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 However as I understand it the Club have offered Smith a new contract and its him that is refusing it so it doesnt appear to me to be sour grapes on Longwell's part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I was offered 15 pence a match, half a pie and cup of tea at half time to be a St Mirren Ballboy in the 72/73 Season. I accepted with no hesitation. See the young yins nowadays ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I was offered 15 pence a match, half a pie and cup of tea at half time to be a St Mirren Ballboy in the 72/73 Season. I accepted with no hesitation. See the young yins nowadays ............... Overpaid for doing fcuk all, nae wonder our club lost money all them years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-SMTID Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 However as I understand it the Club have offered Smith a new contract and its him that is refusing it so it doesnt appear to me to be sour grapes on Longwell's part. I was really talking about the wage offered...that may have been soured? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Overpaid for doing fcuk all, nae wonder our club lost money all them years ago. Club were doing fine with our Part time Squad. Even humped the Blue Vermin ( deceased ) at Shitbrox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 More to this? Don't make enemies with David Longwell? http://www.scotzine.com/2013/04/st-mirren-alleged-to-have-used-youth-players-as-construction-labourers/ Good bit about fining the boys for wearing coloured boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 He's been injued all season. Has scored 24 goals in 40-ish appearances but none for Saints. He was shit any time I saw him turn out for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 He was shit any time I saw him turn out for us. He was a dumpling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 More to this? Don't make enemies with David Longwell? http://www.scotzine.com/2013/04/st-mirren-alleged-to-have-used-youth-players-as-construction-labourers/ Old news, Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMcD Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 More to this? Don't make enemies with David Longwell? http://www.scotzine.com/2013/04/st-mirren-alleged-to-have-used-youth-players-as-construction-labourers/ When I joined this discussion I'd forgotten he was the lad involved.but it wouldn't have made any difference. Young lads do stupid things, maybe more so if Daddy is involved. I've never seen the boy play but most of what I read was encouraging and when he turned down our offer, some of our guys who have seen him thought it was a mistake. I made the point that losing a really good prospect by being hidebound about wages was short sighted. Now that he's going it turns out he wasn't all that good anyway and he had bad attitude. Fairy nuff. I never even hinted that exceptions should be made regularly and some of those who struggle with written English said we would end up with dozens of boys who won't even be playing. Dearie, dearie me! Anyway, perhaps the reasons for the boy going are complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 When I joined this discussion I'd forgotten he was the lad involved.but it wouldn't have made any difference. Young lads do stupid things, maybe more so if Daddy is involved. I've never seen the boy play but most of what I read was encouraging and when he turned down our offer, some of our guys who have seen him thought it was a mistake. I made the point that losing a really good prospect by being hidebound about wages was short sighted. Now that he's going it turns out he wasn't all that good anyway and he had bad attitude. Fairy nuff. I never even hinted that exceptions should be made regularly and some of those who struggle with written English said we would end up with dozens of boys who won't even be playing. Dearie, dearie me! Anyway, perhaps the reasons for the boy going are complex. Very complex......he's no good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I was really talking about the wage offered...that may have been soured? Just a thought. Maybe. But according to that article the boys were on £85 a week. If he is now being offered £120 a week surely that is a good increase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.