The Referendum Thread

[saltcoatsbuddie]

no thanks

Quite a f**king meltdown there Dorothy, where the f**k do I start?

Do I go through each of your "facts" one by one - naw.

Do I just write "what a lot of bollocks" - naw, even though it is.

Do I mention the irony of you calling others liars - maybe.

Do I ask what all that crap has to do with your totally shite and inaccurate analogy comparing the referendum to a football league - possibly.

Do I talk about the NHS, Faslane and xenophobia - maybe later.

Do I ask for proof of this inverted snobbery - again, maybe later.

Do I ask you for clarity on this 2025 claim of yours - what's the point, you've not clarified anything in over 400 pages.

Do I mention that claims of intimidation and threatening behaviour from someone on the side of the true Nazis is a bit "wide" - naw, I'll just let you get back to singing GSTQ.

Do I mention that it costs less to give free prescriptions to all than it did to administer the old system - naw, you've been told before.

Do I mention that it is definitely not a once in a lifetime opportunity for most of us - naw, you'll find out soon enough.

Do I mention that Salmond did not resign in "disgrace" - what's the point, you're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't based on facts.

Do I mention Stewart Campbell - naw, I don't know him, just like you.

Do I talk about your claims of my rage, bravado and chip on the shoulder - yep, show me the posts I made that demonstrate that - come on, go for it.

People will maybe start believing your shite when you can demonstrate even the smallest amount of "proof" of all the shite you claim, or at least admit when you have lied - the words "egg", "Edinburgh" and "Farage" spring to mind for some reason - you can't even admit that you had made a slight error there, never mind admit when you get something completely wrong or you blatantly lie.

I accept that No won - I don't like it but I'm far from outraged. It is folk like yourself and your SDL, EDL, NF, BNP, UKIP, OO and Follow Follow Brigade allies that seem to have an issue about others not sharing your bigoted, xenophobic, extreme right wing, Nazi leanings. Go and grow a pair and come back when you have calmed down and can be sensible about things.

We'll talk about it all again at the next one within 10 years, you can be sure about that.

Remember now, as this post is directed at you, to read it in a condescending tone or as if you are talking to a 5yr old.

Edit fur speelin an punktuashun.

[saltcoatsbuddie]

same as yes vote then

[Stuart Dickson]

I see You Gov have put the boot into Yes Campaigns claims that young voters wanted independence. Their statistical analysis of their "exit" poll from Thursday - the one that showed No would win by 54% - 46% gives this breakdown. It uses a much larger sample size than Lord Ashcroft and it proves that once again Alex Salmond has made a fanny of himself off the back of polls.

The Daily Record is also running a story this morning that Salmond had put his faith - and money - in the hands of a Canadian polling company who were telling him right up till the polls closed on Thursday that the Yes vote had won it by 54% - 46%. He was so certain he'd hired a private jet so he could appear at both the counts in Aberdeen and in Edinburgh taking a victory salute at both. Then the first results started to come in and it was clear they'd been trounced and that their poll wasn't worth a f**k.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-secret-opinion-poll-convinced-4313922

[saintnextlifetime]

Quite a f**king meltdown there Dorothy, where the f**k do I start?

Do I go through each of your "facts" one by one - naw.

Do I just write "what a lot of bollocks" - naw, even though it is.

Do I mention the irony of you calling others liars - maybe.

Do I ask what all that crap has to do with your totally shite and inaccurate analogy comparing the referendum to a football league - possibly.

Do I talk about the NHS, Faslane and xenophobia - maybe later.

Do I ask for proof of this inverted snobbery - again, maybe later.

Do I ask you for clarity on this 2025 claim of yours - what's the point, you've not clarified anything in over 400 pages.

Do I mention that claims of intimidation and threatening behaviour from someone on the side of the true Nazis is a bit "wide" - naw, I'll just let you get back to singing GSTQ.

Do I mention that it costs less to give free prescriptions to all than it did to administer the old system - naw, you've been told before.

Do I mention that it is definitely not a once in a lifetime opportunity for most of us - naw, you'll find out soon enough.

Do I mention that Salmond did not resign in "disgrace" - what's the point, you're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't based on facts.

Do I mention Stewart Campbell - naw, I don't know him, just like you.

Do I talk about your claims of my rage, bravado and chip on the shoulder - yep, show me the posts I made that demonstrate that - come on, go for it.

People will maybe start believing your shite when you can demonstrate even the smallest amount of "proof" of all the shite you claim, or at least admit when you have lied - the words "egg", "Edinburgh" and "Farage" spring to mind for some reason - you can't even admit that you had made a slight error there, never mind admit when you get something completely wrong or you blatantly lie.

I accept that No won - I don't like it but I'm far from outraged. It is folk like yourself and your SDL, EDL, NF, BNP, UKIP, OO and Follow Follow Brigade allies that seem to have an issue about others not sharing your bigoted, xenophobic, extreme right wing, Nazi leanings. Go and grow a pair and come back when you have calmed down and can be sensible about things.

We'll talk about it all again at the next one within 10 years, you can be sure about that.

Remember now, as this post is directed at you, to read it in a condescending tone or as if you are talking to a 5yr old.

Edit fur speelin an punktuashun.

[flyingscot]

I see You Gov have put the boot into Yes Campaigns claims that young voters wanted independence. Their statistical analysis of their "exit" poll from Thursday - the one that showed No would win by 54% - 46% gives this breakdown. It uses a much larger sample size than Lord Ashcroft and it proves that once again Alex Salmond has made a fanny of himself off the back of polls.

The Daily Record is also running a story this morning that Salmond had put his faith - and money - in the hands of a Canadian polling company who were telling him right up till the polls closed on Thursday that the Yes vote had won it by 54% - 46%. He was so certain he'd hired a private jet so he could appear at both the counts in Aberdeen and in Edinburgh taking a victory salute at both. Then the first results started to come in and it was clear they'd been trounced and that their poll wasn't worth a f**k.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-secret-opinion-poll-convinced-4313922

Statistically that is a bizarre chart. Wonder how they chose which age groups to split up- surely that isn't an equal proportions of the electorate. Why are 60-64 separated out?

Did hear an account that what frightened the no campaign was also that their internal polling showed a Yes lead with a week to go.

[bigjerseybuddie]

It would be interesting and fun to put an upper age limit on voting just as there is a lower age limit. By nature the older people get the more resistant they are to change, so it was no surprise that the margin of victory was wider for no in the older age brackets. Put that alongside the loyalty to the crown from a great number of people, and the financial ambiguity in the yes campaigns message then there was only going to be one outcome.

[BuddyHolly9]

It would be interesting and fun to put an upper age limit on voting just as there is a lower age limit. By nature the older people get the more resistant they are to change, so it was no surprise that the margin of victory was wider for no in the older age brackets. Put that alongside the loyalty to the crown from a great number of people, and the financial ambiguity in the yes campaigns message then there was only going to be one outcome.

Shouldn't that worry everyone?

[Stuart Dickson]

I was going to say that the grouping was different from the other one and so, obviously, the results will look different - oops, I just did.

I wonder if the results are really any different. Maybe Dorothy can tell us, he can use Google now, ya know.

It's like Dorothy has been brainwashed by his uber-right-wing nazi/NF/UKIP/SDL/IKEA/EDL/OO/KKK allies to just post anything without thinking about what he is saying. FFS, what am I talking about - I just put Dorothy and thinking in the same sentence.

Here's a link to Lord Ashcroft s data tables.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/09/scotland-voted/

His sample size for 16 - 18 year olds is just 14. Yep that's right FOURTEEN!

I would also point out that Lord Ashcroft is a Conservative politician. He funded and conducted the polls that the dafter Natsis have taken as absolute proof that in a few years time No voters will be dead and independence will be inevitable.

Me, on the other hand? Well I'm quoting one of the most respected polling companies in the UK and their statistical analysis of the polls they conducted on Thursday which predicted the actual results to within 1.5 points.

[saint in exile]

Here's a link to Lord Ashcroft s data tables.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/09/scotland-voted/

His sample size for 16 - 18 year olds is just 14. Yep that's right FOURTEEN!

I would also point out that Lord Ashcroft is a Conservative politician. He funded and conducted the polls that the dafter Natsis have taken as absolute proof that in a few years time No voters will be dead and independence will be inevitable.

Me, on the other hand? Well I'm quoting one of the most respected polling companies in the UK and their statistical analysis of the polls they conducted on Thursday which predicted the actual results to within 1.5 points.

"respected polling companies" - now there's an oxymoron. As opposed to you, who is just an ordinary moron.

[flyingscot]

Here's a link to Lord Ashcroft s data tables.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/09/scotland-voted/

His sample size for 16 - 18 year olds is just 14. Yep that's right FOURTEEN!

Wouldn't surprise me if YouGov had similar numbers for that grouping. Polling companies tend to have difficulties targeting younger voters.

[Stuart Dickson]

Wouldn't surprise me if YouGov had similar numbers for that grouping. Polling companies tend to have difficulties targeting younger voters.

111 according to the figures.

[FTOF]

In the week that the SNP got 26,000 new members, it looks like the BNP got at least one new member from Lanarkshire.

[shull]

N.N.

[Stuart Dickson]

I'm just enjoying the fact that having flopped badly in the referendum, losing every region in Scotland bar four, fannies like convicted liar Tommy Sheridan are coming out of the woodwork to tell Scots to turn their back on Labour - doing his best to secure a win for the Conservatives in next years General Election. The irony is that last week the Yes Campaign were telling us the only way to ensure we'd never have to suffer another Conservative government was to vote Yes. Now it appears their main policy is to ensure we get that we're ruled by another Conservative Government at Westminster and the gullible zombies that back them still think they've got some sort of Socialist agenda.....

[salmonbuddie]

Spot the "man" that can't see the strategy.......

[Stuart Dickson]

Spot the "man" that can't see the strategy.......

Oh I can see it alright. The SNP will assist the Conservative s into power at Westminster in the hope that Scots will then want independence. Thing is if Scots are to be angry with a Conservative government they're also likely to be angry at the SNP who helped them into office.

All those new Socialist members of the SNP won't be hanging around that long once they figure out that the SNP are allies to the Tories

[salmonbuddie]

Got to love Dorothy, still can't see it. Bless.

[bluto]

Just seen this.

Quite liked it.

Wanted to share.

https://www.facebook.com/1475630572660210/photos/a.1478675395689061.1073741829.1475630572660210/1481676772055590/

Edited September 26, 2014 by bluto

[Phil McCracken]

24 hours since Dorothy the Liar posted, I wonder what story he's making up now.

Maybe he is going to say that they now have the technology to extract even more oil from the north sea. (Herald) Who would have thought that would be announced within a week of a No vote in the referendum?

Or that the leader of UKIP-lite (Scotland) is being reported to the police by the electoral commission. (Herald)

Or that a donator to UKIP is pushing for an English referendum to kick out Scotland, Wales & NI - The United Kingdom of England, anyone? (Herald)

Or maybe he won't say anything. (please, please, please ...)

Got to love Dorothy, still can't see it. Bless.

Spot the "man" that can't see the strategy.......

I prefer to spot the lies in Dorothy's posts.

Sometimes its easy to find, some others are subtle that take a while to be seen. Just like when he lied where he stayed then a couple of months later f**k$ up and inadvertently posts another location. (Just to try and prove he stayed in a nicer place than Paisley)

FFS. How many people does Stuart have wound up into a bitter rage!

[ALBIONSAINT]

24 hours since Dorothy the Liar posted, I wonder what story he's making up now.

Give the guy a break, he can't be on here defending his radical views and attending the UKIP conference also. Their is important issues being discussed at conference, such as how the new priority passport control queues for the honest, salt of the earth , true Brits will work.

[faraway saint]

Loving the slow but eventual death of this thread..........................a bit like the YES attempt.

[ALBIONSAINT]

Loving the slow but eventual death of this thread..........................a bit like the YES attempt.

Only 412 more posts to the magic 10k , I think most posters have left to join the 63 k new SNP members on their forum ;)

[bluto]

Only 412 more posts to the magic 10k , I think most posters have left to join the 63 k new SNP members on their forum ;)

Herr Dixon will soon sort them out!!!

(OOPS. Sorry, I'd intended to stop intruding on this grief. )

[Phil McCracken]

Give the guy a break, he can't be on here defending his radical views and attending the UKIP conference also. Their is important issues being discussed at conference, such as how the new priority passport control queues for the honest, salt of the earth , true Brits will work.

bearing in mind their xenophobic similarities, maybe ukip & the snp could hold a joint conference next year?

[Phil McCracken]

Only 412 more posts to the magic 10k , I think most posters have left to join the 63 k new SNP members on their forum ;)

i hear this talk about so many folk joining the snp as if it means something

the yes campaign was more visible, it made more noise and it has loads of activists

but the silent majority voted no

so get used to it!