Eric Arthur Blair Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 I'm not one for starting threads where one exists but I felt I had to start this. Darren Whyte was hung out to dry by our manager today. Anyone who has watched him play for the U20s will say he's an excellent central defender or defensive midfielder. He's not a full back. In all the U20 games I saw last season he never once played in that position and if JR didn't know after the Dundee game he would certainly have known it by reading the comments on here by me and SantaPonsa. To play him there against a top division team was, IMO, an incredible misjudgement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Stafford Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 With Eckersley injured and Stelios suspended there were very little options to play right back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 I believe we missed out on a right back target and evidently haven't got a ready made replacement. I'm not sure Morgan is blameless either, there were a few occasions where Whyte was exposed because there was no cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st jock Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Only other option was playing 3 cbs today I think. Probably not the best solution. Won't have done whytes confidence much good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLBud Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'm not one for starting threads where one exists but I felt I had to start this. Darren Whyte was hung out to dry by our manager today. Anyone who has watched him play for the U20s will say he's an excellent central defender or defensive midfielder. He's not a full back. In all the U20 games I saw last season he never once played in that position and if JR didn't know after the Dundee game he would certainly have known it by reading the comments on here by me and SantaPonsa. To play him there against a top division team was, IMO, an incredible misjudgement Not sure there were many options today. I'm not disagreeing with you per se, however, how would you have set us up?Also, if Whyte is to break into the team this year he'll need to show a bit of adaptability as he won't see much playing time at centre back or centre mid IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 With Eckersley and Stelios out. what would your solution have been? Genuine question! Barron played most of the season on the wrong side to help the team... more recently, Sean Kelly who was a central defender or defensive midfielder had to earn a move to a higher division by playing out of position. In my opinion, players should be versatile and take the chances afforded to them. That said, they need support to learn and adapt and for that reason... I exempt the lad from any public criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud84 Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 There was 11 hopeless performances in that starting side yesterday and you choose to highlight the young guy who was only brought into the team as cover because of suspensions. He was far from the worst player in the side, Gavin Reilly and Ian Mcshane are experienced players and both were horrendous yesterday, I'd be alot more worried about them than a young boy who's trying to kick start a career in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddie Marvelous Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 2 hours ago, bud84 said: There was 11 hopeless performances in that starting side yesterday and you choose to highlight the young guy who was only brought into the team as cover because of suspensions. He was far from the worst player in the side, Gavin Reilly and Ian Mcshane are experienced players and both were horrendous yesterday, I'd be alot more worried about them than a young boy who's trying to kick start a career in football. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Don't we have a decent left back in the youths instead of playing a kid out of position at right back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardBuddie Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 There was 11 hopeless performances in that starting side yesterday and you choose to highlight the young guy who was only brought into the team as cover because of suspensions. He was far from the worst player in the side, Gavin Reilly and Ian Mcshane are experienced players and both were horrendous yesterday, I'd be alot more worried about them than a young boy who's trying to kick start a career in football. Got to agree with the last part of this post, with the exception of our captain I saw no fight or dig from the team, we were all over the place yesterday, thistle simply blew us away (particularly in the first half).I am a bit worried as based on that yesterday 'streetwise' teams such as Falkirk and Dundee United could potentially do the same to us if we don't get our act together.For me that was as bad yesterday as QOS at home back in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'm not one for starting threads where one exists but I felt I had to start this. Darren Whyte was hung out to dry by our manager today. Anyone who has watched him play for the U20s will say he's an excellent central defender or defensive midfielder. He's not a full back. In all the U20 games I saw last season he never once played in that position and if JR didn't know after the Dundee game he would certainly have known it by reading the comments on here by me and SantaPonsa. To play him there against a top division team was, IMO, an incredible misjudgement 100% agree Saints fans are getting a false perception of this young lad. He's a excellent young player. But playing him right back is a shocking decision. no once but twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'm outraged. We played a player out of position. Oh wait.............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinbuddie Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 He had a torrid time in the 1st half but so did every other player. I was impressed with his attitude to stick at it and he got forward quite a bit in the 2nd half. I thought he was one of the few who came out with an element of credit in terms of his approach and attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, santaponsasaint said: 100% agree Saints fans are getting a false perception of this young lad. He's a excellent young player. But playing him right back is a shocking decision. no once but twice Why the hell can't a professional football player not play in a position which a few yards adjacent to his normal position. He is in the wrong job if he's that limited. Pathetic That's the problem with homegrown players They are technically shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 John Young, Billy Johnston and Broadfoot could do both positions with ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Why the hell can't a professional football player not play in a position which a few yards adjacent to his normal position. He is in the wrong job if he's that limited. Pathetic That's the problem with homegrown players They are technically shite. would you play John Sutton at right back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I don't believe any lasting damage will be done by yesterday's gubbing at Partick. Not to St Mirren a team, nor to Whyte. As I have said a few times, thanks to this 'exciting group stage' grind of Saturday - Midweek - Saturday, we are already asking a lot of players still being knitted into a new team, and already injuries and suspensions are taking their toll. Sadly, very sadly, in my view we need to look at the League Cup now as our pre-season, and simply try to get through it without it impacting too greatly on the start to our league campaign. I have a lot of sympathy for Jack Ross, Stelios out, probably three genuine starters out injured, a lot of new young faces, facing a top flight team. Erskine and Spittal on their own looked better than anyone in our team. I just hope Jack genuinely knows his signings have quality that isn't being shown yet, and they will come good, and Jack hasn't embarked on his very own Summer of 'Beath. I detest the Bells Ramsdens Petrofac B&Q Irn Bru Norn Iron & Welsh Diddies Diddy Cup... now I also detest this pile of utter nonsense group stage League Cup. Young Whyte will be fine. A group stage gubbing in a tarnished pre-season 'friendly' won't define his career - or our season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 John Young, Billy Johnston and Broadfoot could do both positions with ease. all of them were full backs. Whyte is not that's the point. he's more a defensive midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddie Marvelous Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, santaponsasaint said: wold you play John Sutton at right back ya halfwit If the team had no one else then he would have to play at right back! To say a modern day player can/will only play in one position is crazy talk and no good to St.Mirren. I do agree that Shull is a halfwit though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddie Marvelous Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, pozbaird said: I don't believe any lasting damage will be done by yesterday's gubbing at Partick. Not to St Mirren a team, nor to Whyte. As I have said a few times, thanks to this 'exciting group stage' grind of Saturday - Midweek - Saturday, we are already asking a lot of players still being knitted into a new team, and already injuries and suspensions are taking their toll. Sadly, very sadly, in my view we need to look at the League Cup now as our pre-season, and simply try to get through it without it impacting too greatly on the start to our league campaign. I have a lot of sympathy for Jack Ross, Stelios out, probably three genuine starters out injured, a lot of new young faces, facing a top flight team. Erskine and Spittal on their own looked better than anyone in our team. I just hope Jack genuinely knows his signings have quality that isn't being shown yet, and they will come good, and Jack hasn't embarked on his very own Summer of 'Beath. I detest the Bells Ramsdens Petrofac B&Q Irn Bru Norn Iron & Welsh Diddies Diddy Cup... now I also detest this pile of utter nonsense group stage League Cup. Young Whyte will be fine. A group stage gubbing in a tarnished pre-season 'friendly' won't define his career - or our season. What concerned me though Pozbaird was the lack of fight. Fitness or the knitting of the team may not be quite right yet but there is NO excuse not to roll up your sleeves and get stuck in. None! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Hung out to dry? Oh, do behave, FFS. As poz says, I'm sure he won't be needing counselling for PTSD in the wake of the match. It didn't work out. So it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Buddie Marvelous said: What concerned me though Pozbaird was the lack of fight. Fitness or the knitting of the team may not be quite right yet but there is NO excuse not to roll up your sleeves and get stuck in. None! That is my biggest concern also. Getting turned over now and again is part and parcel of fitba. Not putting in a shift isn't on, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Buddie Marvelous said: What concerned me though Pozbaird was the lack of fight. Fitness or the knitting of the team may not be quite right yet but there is NO excuse not to roll up your sleeves and get stuck in. None! A lot of things concerned me. A disorganised defence. No coherent midfield play. No obvious game plan. No threat up front. In the second half, ample shooting opportunities yet players fannied about taking two more touches. An apparent lack of fight. No visible leadership from McGinn..... could go on. If it happens against Falkirk, we are in deep trouble. I'm now past caring about the League Cup - get it sorted for Falkirk Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddie Marvelous Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, pozbaird said: A lot of things concerned me. A disorganised defence. No coherent midfield play. No obvious game plan. No threat up front. In the second half, ample shooting opportunities yet players fannied about taking two more touches. An apparent lack of fight. No visible leadership from McGinn..... could go on. If it happens against Falkirk, we are in deep trouble. I'm now past caring about the League Cup - get it sorted for Falkirk Jack. Eh? and there was me thinking you didn't care and watched the golf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, santaponsasaint said: would you play John Sutton at right back What a Dafty Read my post again. You still in the Pub? And anyway, if he did, he probably wouldn't let us down. Footballers who have mastered their trade, could if called on now and again , play reasonably in any position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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