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13 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

What are you wittering on about A "tad" high. was it a smidgen last week?

Most other countries established track and trace before opening up slowly. 

BoJo and his cronies have lied all the way through this including the level of testing. they are now claiming that the track and trace will be up and running soon. is that a tad later than tomorrow or maybe a smidgen after Monday?

Was it? 🤡

 

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21 hours ago, stlucifer said:

The criticism shouldn't be about them changing their minds. It should be because they didn't think it through tn the first place. what fcukwit thought this would be a good policy given the current circumstance. Oh yes. The puppet's real master, Cummings.

Sorry but I would rather have one person who made mistakes, listened to criticism and made the necessary changes than 100 people who claimed to never make a mistake at all and refused to budge.

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1 hour ago, FTOF said:

Scotland (or UK) isn't Denmark.

Denmark's lockdown started at the right time and relatively few lives were lost, compared to our sorry state.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-20/how-denmark-sent-children-safely-back-to-school/

I had to laugh at the thought of a school in the UK employing an extra 30% of staff to boost teacher numbers in order to allow the classes to be taught. You can't even get sufficient supply staff when you need them. 

Not.Going.To.Happen.

Schools in Scotland will be back in August or September at the latest, whether we can "guarantee safety" or not because life goes on I'm afraid.

What teachers say or demand won't really come into it.

FWIW, I think a massive mistake was made not allowing this years students to sit their exams.

That could have easily been down with social distancing and their papers could have been marked as normal.

The papers could have been shortened to exclude material not yet taught.

Instead an entire year of pupils are going to be hamstrung by their prelim results and the word of their teacher.

A real shame.

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57 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

The kids that are at school are there to allow the essential workers, some who are there saving lives, to go to work.

I think this is in danger of becoming the most over-used phrase in the history of the English language.

It's also nonsense. The overwhelming number of essential workers are not doing this.

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1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

I think this is in danger of becoming the most over-used phrase in the history of the English language.

It's also nonsense. The overwhelming number of essential workers are not doing this.

Why didn't you highlight the whole text? I deliberately said "some". I have constantly said that there are far more than just NHS and care staff keeping things going. 

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32 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

Why didn't you highlight the whole text? I deliberately said "some". I have constantly said that there are far more than just NHS and care staff keeping things going. 

My mistake.

I didn't mean to include the words "who", "are" and "there".

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There was a nurse on the BBC last week who claimed that she felt "unappreciated by the public".

For some people like her, the weekly round of Thursday night cowbells and clapping seals, the special NHS hours at supermarkets and the constant praise on facebook and twitter isn't enough.

To illustrate her point, the article was full of photos of her pouting like a Freshwater Trout and of course the obligatory and cringeworthy photo of her after she took her mask off. "This is what a hero looks like". f**king! Cringe!

This is all going the way of that horrendous "Help for Heroes" nonsense. They do an important job but FFS, why the need to fetishise these people?

The people who genuinely kept this country afloat were not doctors and nurses at all. It was supermarket workers and the food delivery network.

 

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Well, blow me down...................

@stlucifer:byebye

A leading scientist has called for UK lockdown rules to be loosened more quickly, as the coronavirus pandemic has already infected half of Britain’s population and is “on its way out”.

Prominent Oxford epidemiologist Professor Sunetra Gupta told unherd.com that the UK had based its handling of the crisis on the worst-case scenario and called for a ‘more rapid exit from lockdown’.

Prof Gupta also argued that there is a “strong possibility” that the UK could return to normal, including pubs, nightclubs and restaurants reopening, without great risk.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-scientist-quicker-exit-lockdown-072039855.html

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I asked the question of what was the level of provision of PPE for staff when we go back. "We don't know" was the answer. Unsurprisingly this was quite a common answer. As long as there are "Don't know" answers to important questions, nobody should be stepping foot back into their place of work.
I'll be back in work in June and none of the questions I asked were able to be answered.


I can answer the PPE provision. A 2 metre cane. Use it wisely.

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2 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

There was a nurse on the BBC last week who claimed that she felt "unappreciated by the public".

For some people like her, the weekly round of Thursday night cowbells and clapping seals, the special NHS hours at supermarkets and the constant praise on facebook and twitter isn't enough.

To illustrate her point, the article was full of photos of her pouting like a Freshwater Trout and of course the obligatory and cringeworthy photo of her after she took her mask off. "This is what a hero looks like". f**king! Cringe!

This is all going the way of that horrendous "Help for Heroes" nonsense. They do an important job but FFS, why the need to fetishise these people?

The people who genuinely kept this country afloat were not doctors and nurses at all. It was supermarket workers and the food delivery network.

 

Aye @oaksoft, especially having to deal with panic buyers. :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

Schools in Scotland will be back in August or September at the latest, whether we can "guarantee safety" or not because life goes on I'm afraid.

What teachers say or demand won't really come into it.

FWIW, I think a massive mistake was made not allowing this years students to sit their exams.

That could have easily been down with social distancing and their papers could have been marked as normal.

The papers could have been shortened to exclude material not yet taught.

Instead an entire year of pupils are going to be hamstrung by their prelim results and the word of their teacher.

A real shame.

Different schools do the courses in different order, so how can one paper compensate for that? Even if every school was at the same stage, the papers had all been printed and ready for distribution. Are you telling me that they were going to re-write the paper and re-print it? For a start, cost alone would prohibit it.

You have oversimplified the entire exam process.

Also, pupils are more likely to gain out of this than be hamstrung. The SQA have asked for estimates, based on teacher judgement, prelims and assessment carried out throughout the year. The majority of schools will tend towards being overly positive. The SQA will "seasonally adjust" the grades if that's the case.

It's a horrific situation, but the one thing that the SQA have finally got right is cancelling the exams.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Well, blow me down...................

@stlucifer:byebye

A leading scientist has called for UK lockdown rules to be loosened more quickly, as the coronavirus pandemic has already infected half of Britain’s population and is “on its way out”.

Prominent Oxford epidemiologist Professor Sunetra Gupta told unherd.com that the UK had based its handling of the crisis on the worst-case scenario and called for a ‘more rapid exit from lockdown’.

Prof Gupta also argued that there is a “strong possibility” that the UK could return to normal, including pubs, nightclubs and restaurants reopening, without great risk.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-scientist-quicker-exit-lockdown-072039855.html

And then there's this.

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A rival group of scientists called "Independent Sage" earlier also argued schools should not re-open until there is the ability to track the spread of the virus and test anyone coming into contact with infected people.

It also said the risk to pupils would be halved if reopening was delayed by two weeks as a result of cases reducing further.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has indicated that 25,000 contact tracers, able to track 10,000 new cases a day, would be in place by 1 June.

Sir David King, who leads Independent Sage, said: "It is clear from the evidence we have collected that 1 June is simply too early to go back, by going ahead with this dangerous decision, the government is further risking the health of our communities and the likelihood of a second spike."

 

Wish these Science f**kers would agree with each other.:lol:

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8 minutes ago, FTOF said:

And then there's this.

Wish these Science f**kers would agree with each other.:lol:

How many times, it's NOT all about schools. :P

PS this conflict of views from these scientists has been on the go since day one.

Wish they'd all feck off and let me make the decisions. :lol:

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Yes I get that but if Denmark is agile enough in its thinking and can adapt then why not Scotland. Don't think there are any excuses tbh.
Given all the evidence from Denmark I think the Scottish government is more than correct to put a date of 11th August to get things in place.
The short answer is that as Denmark is independent it has complete control over its finances. Scotland relies on a block grant and as such couldn't really make the decision to employ an additional 30% of teachers at such short notice.

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20 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
7 hours ago, lenziebud said:
Yes I get that but if Denmark is agile enough in its thinking and can adapt then why not Scotland. Don't think there are any excuses tbh.
Given all the evidence from Denmark I think the Scottish government is more than correct to put a date of 11th August to get things in place.

The short answer is that as Denmark is independent it has complete control over its finances. Scotland relies on a block grant and as such couldn't really make the decision to employ an additional 30% of teachers at such short notice.

That is a pretty reasonable answer.

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12 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

That is a pretty reasonable answer.

No it isn't as Scotland couldn't afford to make this type of decision, and also couldn't be paying 80% furlough.

We, Scotland, are currently doing pretty well financially out of this.

It's another Braveheart type post, cringe. :lol:

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No it isn't as Scotland couldn't afford to make this type of decision, and also couldn't be paying 80% furlough.
We, Scotland, are currently doing pretty well financially out of this.
It's another Braveheart type post, cringe. 
Denmark can do this but Scotland wouldn't be able to?

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1 hour ago, salmonbuddie said:
8 hours ago, faraway saint said:
No it isn't as Scotland couldn't afford to make this type of decision, and also couldn't be paying 80% furlough.
We, Scotland, are currently doing pretty well financially out of this.
It's another Braveheart type post, cringe. emoji38.png

Denmark can do this but Scotland wouldn't be able to?

Financially. 

PS Last sentence apart, it's not meant as a dig.

The current situation would have been much harder without the financial "support" from the UK government. 

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Financially. 
PS Last sentence apart, it's not meant as a dig.
The current situation would have been much harder without the financial "support" from the UK government. 
Doesn't Scotland send revenue to the Treasury, isn't that what it uses to "support" us?

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2 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said:
32 minutes ago, faraway saint said:
Financially. 
PS Last sentence apart, it's not meant as a dig.
The current situation would have been much harder without the financial "support" from the UK government. 

Doesn't Scotland send revenue to the Treasury, isn't that what it uses to "support" us?

Yes, but, in the current crises not balancing out what we are receiving.

Apologies, I'd found an article during the week which laid out the scenarios IF Scotland was independent right now.

It was full of "unlikely" and "restricted financial support" scenarios, although, like much of what's going on right now, highly subjective.

Mainly because of that I didn't bother bringing it into this thread as we're currently drowning in "scientific" reports that only add conflict and confusion.

I can't flippin find it so I'll leave it that. :(

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Yes, but, in the current crises not balancing out what we are receiving.
Apologies, I'd found an article during the week which laid out the scenarios IF Scotland was independent right now.
It was full of "unlikely" and "restricted financial support" scenarios, although, like much of what's going on right now, highly subjective.
Mainly because of that I didn't bother bringing it into this thread as we're currently drowning in "scientific" reports that only add conflict and confusion.
I can't flippin find it so I'll leave it that. 


Fair enough, but I find it hard to believe that Denmark with much less natural and economical resources than Scotland can do this but we couldn't.

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