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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Fatalities and cases at a level not seen since the very early days of this situation..

The doors wide open for starting to open up more areas, drip feeding the return to closer to a level before this epidemic.

Noticed the Channel Islands have successfully overcome this virus, and are now opening up public businesses. 

Maybe @TPAFKA Jersey 2 can provide a real insight? 

 

Yes. I think we’ve had literally a couple of new cases in the last couple of weeks and only about 6 live cases in the hospital. 20 odd deaths in total all bar one of which have been very elderly.

We came out of lockdown a couple of weeks ago. We are allowed out for as long as we like. Shops are open again as are restaurants and pubs, albeit only al fresco areas and with social distancing. I went out for a meal on Friday night for my birthday with my wife and daughter. Felt a bit weird, but enjoyable nonetheless. 
Since the relaxation there has been no more than a couple of new cases. Fingers crossed it will stay that way.

Guernsey is poised to reopen its borders again and I don’t think we’ll be far behind them. 

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12 hours ago, oaksoft said:

The problem is not with science, which is messy and full of apparent contradictions, but the endless stream of idiots who try and use it to suit their own agendas.

We should stop expecting science to produce certainty. It's simply not designed for that.

School teachers should educate kids on what science can and cannot tell you. At least that way, the next generation become more educated than the last.

They do, and have done for years.

It's something that I and my staff spend a lot of time on.

I always tell pupils to go and research data/information and make their own minds up about something and not just accept everything that they are told. Evolution is the one that I find sparks the most controversy.

The problem is that everyone is so "spoon fed" these days, that most people just accept what they see on the internet or in the papers as being unquestionably true or they're too f**king lazy to look anything up and want others to do it for them.

 

 

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

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Wednesday is the way it should be.

The Thursday clapping along with protect the NHS helped I still a fear that has killed 000s.

Every person who clapped has blood on their hands 🩸 🩸 🩸 

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When will Nicola Sturgeon take responsibility for her policy of throwing elderly care home residents out of hospital and back into care homes, thus killing 000?

She should stand trial along with Boris for crimes against humanity and man slaughter 

 

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40 minutes ago, Sue Denim said:

When will Nicola Sturgeon take responsibility for her policy of throwing elderly care home residents out of hospital and back into care homes, thus killing 000?

She should stand trial along with Boris for crimes against humanity and man slaughter 

 

To be fair that's been a UK wide practice.

A few care homes, in both Scotland and England,that I know of had untested patients that were forced upon them in this manner. The care home managers and the company asked the NHS to test them, but they refused to do so. The care homes tried to refuse the patients, but the NHS contacted the care commission, and the care homes were forced to take the patients. The patients proved to be covid positive and unfortunately they died. Fortunately, the standards were so high in most of the affected care homes, that a spread to the existing residents did not occur. However, the deaths will now be attributed to the companies responsible, through no fault of their own and patients that could have been treated in hospital, if they had been tested, have now died.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Sue Denim said:

Throwing elderly care home patients out of hospitals and forcing nursing homes to take them in

Absolutely disgusting. Sturgeon must resign. 

I direct you to the post made immediately before yours.

4 hours ago, FTOF said:

To be fair that's been a UK wide practice.

 

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9 minutes ago, Sue Denim said:

Throwing elderly care home patients out of hospitals and forcing nursing homes to take them in

Absolutely disgusting. Sturgeon must resign. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52795993

 

And I direct you to this statement.

She(Ms Sturgeon) said: "These older people, so called delayed discharges had no medical need to be in hospital.

"At that point we were getting ready for what we considered to be a tsunami of coronavirus cases into our hospitals, and our hospitals as it turned out were under huge pressure.

"It would have exposed older people to enormous risk to leave them in hospitals at that point.

"People say there should have been more testing and that is again a legitimate question, but what we knew then about the efficacy of testing asymptomatic people is different to what we know now.

"At every stage we have done what we thought was best based on the knowledge that we had a at the time. Of course mistakes will have been made and we learn as our knowledge of this virus increases. But the suggestion that any of us acted recklessly or without due care and attention to older people is frankly one that is not true."

You,of course, did not need hindsight as you would have relied on your crystal ball.

 

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22 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Actually its 173 but I'm not sure that's relevant.

I am missing no point.

Scientists challenged the status quo. It certainly wasn't a random nobody from a conspiracy theory magazine who lives with his mother at 48 years of age and f**ks his sister at the weekends,

I had thought you would be clever enough to realise that's what I meant but perhaps not.

Charming , l don't think we need any fine detail on the kind of life you lead .

 

 

 

I obviously over estimated your I.Q. ..............more like under 75 methinks

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Looking at the England & Wales ONS mortality stats today

deaths in care homes

8,288 Covid deaths

9,689 excess non Covid deaths

So, protecting the NHS has killed more of our must vulnerable part of the population than the virus

Staggering

End the lockdown now! 

 

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25 minutes ago, theknickerwetter said:

Charming , l don't think we need any fine detail on the kind of life you lead .

 

 

 

I obviously over estimated your I.Q. ..............more like under 75 methinks

Yes, I deeply care what your opinion of me is. :1eye

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According to the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre, more than 70% of patients admitted to critical care units in England, Wales and Northern Ireland have been male.
 

So, if 70% admitted to ICUs were male you’d maybe expect 70% of Covid deaths to be male? In hospitals, it’s 61% male deaths. And the last 2 weeks have seen total deaths from all causes being just 49% male.

Its quite obvious that Covid is being used as a cover to mask the huge number of non Covid excess deaths caused by the lockdown, particularly in card homes. 

 

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Todays number 121, quite a surprise.

The figures over the last week or so have been encouraging.

More tweaking the current measures on the way soon.

Look out Channel Islands, we're after the same "normal" you've got soon.

TBH Scotland are dragging their heels.

The numbers in Scotland are easily in the area we should be making considerable changes. 

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2 hours ago, smcc said:

And I direct you to this statement.

She(Ms Sturgeon) said: "These older people, so called delayed discharges had no medical need to be in hospital.

"At that point we were getting ready for what we considered to be a tsunami of coronavirus cases into our hospitals, and our hospitals as it turned out were under huge pressure.

"It would have exposed older people to enormous risk to leave them in hospitals at that point.

"People say there should have been more testing and that is again a legitimate question, but what we knew then about the efficacy of testing asymptomatic people is different to what we know now.

"At every stage we have done what we thought was best based on the knowledge that we had a at the time. Of course mistakes will have been made and we learn as our knowledge of this virus increases. But the suggestion that any of us acted recklessly or without due care and attention to older people is frankly one that is not true."

You,of course, did not need hindsight as you would have relied on your crystal ball.

 

I read the article, you didn’t need to direct me anywhere!

Throwing elderly people with Covid into care homes and denying care home residents access to NHS treatment has killed thousands of people.

Its absolutely sickening and how anyone can even think of defending it is beyond comprehension.

Sturgeon must go. 

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1 minute ago, faraway saint said:

Todays number 121, quite a surprise.

The figures over the last week or so have been encouraging.

More tweaking the current measures on the way soon.

Look out Channel Islands, we're after the same "normal" you've got soon.

TBH Scotland are dragging their heels.

The numbers in Scotland are easily in the area we should be making considerable changes. 

Opening up all over Europe. No increase in infections.

End the lockdown now. 

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1 minute ago, Sue Denim said:

I read the article, you didn’t need to direct me anywhere!

Throwing elderly people with Covid into care homes and denying care home residents access to NHS treatment has killed thousands of people.

Its absolutely sickening and how anyone can even think of defending it is beyond comprehension.

Sturgeon must go. 

I doubt whether you read it properly!

And you are , of course, using you retrospectoscope.

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10 minutes ago, Sue Denim said:

According to the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre, more than 70% of patients admitted to critical care units in England, Wales and Northern Ireland have been male.
 

So, if 70% admitted to ICUs were male you’d maybe expect 70% of Covid deaths to be male? In hospitals, it’s 61% male deaths. And the last 2 weeks have seen total deaths from all causes being just 49% male.

Its quite obvious that Covid is being used as a cover to mask the huge number of non Covid excess deaths caused by the lockdown, particularly in card homes. 

 

All this shows is that Covid 19 is not the only cause of death in care homes. Even before Covid people died of other causes.

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I read the article, you didn’t need to direct me anywhere!
Throwing elderly people with Covid into care homes and denying care home residents access to NHS treatment has killed thousands of people.
Its absolutely sickening and how anyone can even think of defending it is beyond comprehension.
Sturgeon must go. 



What specific NHS treatments have been denied?

FFS what was I thinking, he doesn't answer questions.

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On 4/3/2020 at 11:58 AM, faraway saint said:

 

A technicality, feck her. 

 

Erm, is it this woman you're talking about - if so the conviction was deemed unsafe & quashed.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-how-woman-loitering-at-train-station-was-wrongfully-convicted-in-shambolic-case/ar-BB125zrP?ocid=spartanntp

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Like you said back in April the only response to people like SuperDom who escape conviction due to flaws in the hastily drawn up legislation is "A technicality, feck him"  (sic) - if it wasn't for his incompetence he'd be gone already! 

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9 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

Erm, is it this woman you're talking about - if so the conviction was deemed unsafe & quashed.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-how-woman-loitering-at-train-station-was-wrongfully-convicted-in-shambolic-case/ar-BB125zrP?ocid=spartanntp

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Like you said back in April the only response to people like SuperDom who escape conviction due to flaws in the hastily drawn up legislation is "A technicality, feck him"  (sic) - if it wasn't for his incompetence he'd be gone already! 

A technicality, feck her. 

Oh, aye, almost an identical situation, in your sad desperate world. 😂😂😂

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7 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

A technicality, feck her. 

Oh, aye, almost an identical situation, in your sad desperate world. 😂😂😂

It is identical they both got off in a technicality yet you criticise one and defend another in your sad, desperate and obsequious world.  😂😂😂 

 

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