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2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

And this is why we need continued education.

We have supposedly intelligent people like yourself who genuinely believe that black people are no more discriminated against than any other section of society.

It's honestly utterly depressing to read this sort of nonsense.

Where did I say they weren't disproportionally discriminated against? I said they weren't alone in being so. I suggested that by highlighting the black lives matter it can disenfranchise some who would be more vocal against discrimination if it were back to the more general and all inclusive kick out racism message

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3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I was recently looking through some of my primary school class photos. I'd forgotten that there was a couple of children in my class for a couple of years that had origins from the middle east. I had never noticed or remembered their skin colour being different from mine.

Why hadn't I remembered, because it never fcuking mattered.



I'll start with our club, we've had players from numerous countries, numerous races, numerous religions and unfortunately numerous abilities.

Paisley, we welcome the same folk into our society to learn at our University.

When we welcome these people to our club, into our towns and cities from wherever. Then by already showing that we the majority understand and more importantly stand with anyone that is attacked by racists. We can stamp it out first by highlighting the problem and hopefully kids like I was, not giving a dam what colour of skin my class mates have.

Rudd Gullit might disagree. 

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Rudd Gullit might disagree. 
Fair comment, I was meaning players who signed for us.

Likewise for folk coming to Paisley, I presumed folk knew I was meaning that they'd be welcomed by the majority.

I just got into a rant cause of my abhorrence of racists and of any discrimination.

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Why not ask a black person?

I did.

Changed my attitude and belief as a result!

Okay actually makes a good and fair point.

And what did they say? Remember, this isn't about random racists shouting abuse, people get abuse off random arseholes for all different reasons - weight, hair colour, glasses, religion, intelligence, etc.
I am not getting sucked into one of your games on this issue.
If you want to indulge in racial gaslighting, you won't be doing it with me.
It's not a game, I really want to know.

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It's not a game, I really want to know.
He... A mixed race male born in Largs, had faced racism all through his life.

Some of the stories he shared were shameful and heartbreaking.

Our conversation came about because I had said All Lives matter... Which I wholeheartedly believe to be true.

My conversation with him, which shall remain private, totally changed my stance.

I still believe all lives matter... But support Black Lives Matter.

It is not enough to say you are against racism. Anyone can say that... Even racists.

Pro equality and anti racism are not one and the same.

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He... A mixed race male born in Largs, had faced racism all through his life.

Some of the stories he shared were shameful and heartbreaking.

Our conversation came about because I had said All Lives matter... Which I wholeheartedly believe to be true.

My conversation with him, which shall remain private, totally changed my stance.

I still believe all lives matter... But support Black Lives Matter.

It is not enough to say you are against racism. Anyone can say that... Even racists.

Pro equality and anti racism are not one and the same.
You don't want to say, so I won't push it, but seeing as you haven't identified the person I don't see a reason why you won't. But we'll leave it there.

I'm not denying that there are racists out there (who should be re-educated or, at the very least, made to shut the f**k up), but that isn't what it's about.

No, they're not the same thing. Anti racism is a subset of pro equality, along with anti sexism, anti ageism, anti every other discriminatory thing.

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20 minutes ago, Slarti said:

You don't want to say, so I won't push it, but seeing as you haven't identified the person I don't see a reason why you won't. But we'll leave it there.

I'm not denying that there are racists out there (who should be re-educated or, at the very least, made to shut the f**k up), but that isn't what it's about.

No, they're not the same thing. Anti racism is a subset of pro equality, along with anti sexism, anti ageism, anti every other discriminatory thing.

Why would/should he identify the person? :blink:

 

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Why would/should he identify the person? :blink:
 
I never said he should. I was saying that, since he never, there is nothing to stop him disclosing the details as nobody will know who he is talking about.

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On 2/13/2021 at 1:22 AM, BuddieinEK said:

He... A mixed race male born in Largs, had faced racism all through his life.

Some of the stories he shared were shameful and heartbreaking.

Our conversation came about because I had said All Lives matter... Which I wholeheartedly believe to be true.

My conversation with him, which shall remain private, totally changed my stance.

I still believe all lives matter... But support Black Lives Matter.

It is not enough to say you are against racism. Anyone can say that... Even racists.

Pro equality and anti racism are not one and the same.

I absolutely agree with you. very deep thoughts that respond within me.

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Friends, I would like to ask you how there is a correlation between arms control in a country, especially a democratic country such as the United States of America, and the riots that are taking place here? Indeed, during the recent protests for the rights of the black population, a lot of people went out to protests with weapons, which could lead to very dire consequences. Here, on  this link I read some interesting and constructive research on the subject and wanted to know your opinion on this matter. Will legalization of weapons have a positive effect on people's struggle for their rights, or will it lead to negative consequences?

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On 2/17/2021 at 3:16 PM, Kingsley Hall said:

I absolutely agree with you. very deep thoughts that respond within me.

 

5 hours ago, Kingsley Hall said:

Friends, I would like to ask you how there is a correlation between arms control in a country, especially a democratic country such as the United States of America, and the riots that are taking place here? Indeed, during the recent protests for the rights of the black population, a lot of people went out to protests with weapons, which could lead to very dire consequences. Here, on  this link I read some interesting and constructive research on the subject and wanted to know your opinion on this matter. Will legalization of weapons have a positive effect on people's struggle for their rights, or will it lead to negative consequences?

What fresh hell is this? :blink:

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8 hours ago, munoz said:

Justice done for a change. 

Agree 100%, the audacity of this man, who came across as arrogant and as if he had no regrets, to try to stick with the pathetic defence.

No remorse throughout the trial hopefully helped the jury come the guilty decision.

This sends out a very strong message that this level of abuse of power will not go unpunished.

Let's hope, and there's almost weekly instances of police brutality, sees a real change in reform. 

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Justice done for a change. 

Correct decision and should never have happened.

Our company sent out a global email this morning,

It suggests it was racially motivated and asks us to ‘Honor Mr Floyd’s memory’



He should 100% not have died, been killed, effectively murdered and thankfully, the police officer found guilty, but, I certainly won’t be honouring a violent criminal

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On 2/12/2021 at 9:40 AM, Slarti said:

But it doesn't miss the point. The name of any organisation, especially one that is trying to get a message across with the name alone, is very important.

For example, take that knitting club and craft shop you started, if you had called it "Kill All Ni**ers" instead of "Oaky's Amazing Knits and Yarns", do you think it would have attracted a different clientele due to the "message" the name sends?

I think you mis-spelled "knitters"

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6 hours ago, Scott-Leeds said:


Correct decision and should never have happened.

Our company sent out a global email this morning,

It suggests it was racially motivated and asks us to ‘Honor Mr Floyd’s memory’

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He should 100% not have died, been killed, effectively murdered and thankfully, the police officer found guilty, but, I certainly won’t be honouring a violent criminal

A "violent criminal " ? 

As far as I know , are his previous offences not theft and drug charges mainly. 

Derek Chauvin on the the other hand is a violent criminal. 

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13 minutes ago, munoz said:

A "violent criminal " ? 

As far as I know , are his previous offences not theft and drug charges mainly. 

Derek Chauvin on the the other hand is a violent criminal. 

Aye, we shouldn't see these people as "saints" or over dramatize their criminal activity.

A recent news item had a 13 year old black child shot with his hands in the air by a policeman.

Shocking and looked like this was a massive over reaction.

The "boy", seemingly, had a gun which he'd thrown away, so, again, no need to shoot him.

Underneath this, this happened in the early hours of the morning, between 2:00 am and 3:00 am, you have to ask WTF was a 13 year old doing at that time and with a gun? 

Did he deserve to be shot and die, certainly not, but if he hadn't been out and about with a gun he wouldn't have died.

Tragic all round IMO. 

(All of the above is from snippets I seen on the news, can't be arsed researching any more, it won't change the important issue here)

 

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22 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Aye, we shouldn't see these people as "saints" or over dramatize their criminal activity.

A recent news item had a 13 year old black child shot with his hands in the air by a policeman.

Shocking and looked like this was a massive over reaction.

The "boy", seemingly, had a gun which he'd thrown away, so, again, no need to shoot him.

Underneath this, this happened in the early hours of the morning, between 2:00 am and 3:00 am, you have to ask WTF was a 13 year old doing at that time and with a gun? 

Did he deserve to be shot and die, certainly not, but if he hadn't been out and about with a gun he wouldn't have died.

Tragic all round IMO. 

(All of the above is from snippets I seen on the news, can't be arsed researching any more, it won't change the important issue here)

 

Offering himself on a plate? B)

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Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty Tuesday of three charges in the death of George Floyd: second-degree unintentional murder, third- degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.

What's next

After Judge Peter Cahill read and confirmed the verdict with the jury, he announced technical next steps, including scheduling sentencing in eight weeks time.

Cahill said the court would look at written arguments from Chauvin "within one week" and issue factual findings on it. Then they will order a pre-sentencing investigation report, "returnable in four weeks." That will be followed by a briefing on the pre-sentencing investigation report six weeks from now.

The sentencing

The maximum sentence for second-degree unintentional murder is imprisonment of not more than 40 years. The maximum sentence for third-degree murder is imprisonment of not more than 25 years. The maximum sentence for second-degree manslaughter is 10 years and/or $20,000.

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Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty Tuesday of three charges in the death of George Floyd: second-degree unintentional murder, third- degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.

What's next

After Judge Peter Cahill read and confirmed the verdict with the jury, he announced technical next steps, including scheduling sentencing in eight weeks time.

Cahill said the court would look at written arguments from Chauvin "within one week" and issue factual findings on it. Then they will order a pre-sentencing investigation report, "returnable in four weeks." That will be followed by a briefing on the pre-sentencing investigation report six weeks from now.

The sentencing

The maximum sentence for second-degree unintentional murder is imprisonment of not more than 40 years. The maximum sentence for third-degree murder is imprisonment of not more than 25 years. The maximum sentence for second-degree manslaughter is 10 years and/or $20,000.



Not 100% sure how the US system works but I'm assuming that these would run concurrently and so the maximum would, in reality, be 40 years. I could obviously be wrong, though.

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