VAR.

[linwood buddie]

A double-hit penalty from Aberdeen's Bojan Miovski should not have stood.

From BBC Scotland site.

Oh really , we could never have thought that one , VAR is there to help , But to help who?

[faraway saint]

5 hours ago, truesaint said:

https://www.aberdeenlive.news/sport/football/football-news/bojan-miovskis-double-penalty-aberdeens-8930276

As if we didn't already know. Points back please. 🙃

 

[faraway saint]

Worth a read, especially the few who believe in ghosts and make up laughable views on VAR.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23948994.jonny-mcfarlane-conspiracy-nonsense-debases-scottish-football-culture/?fbclid=IwAR0nkfkR8oHqd4GpCL6zEqn5f9X4KsyJBBNHT34wNndbxMPd-cNHq0w71Wc

Edited November 29, 2023 by faraway saint

[HSS]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68597180

[Callum Gilhooley]

VAR is a shambles and should be got rid of, brings nothing to the game, instead of clearing up controversy it muddies the water even further . It breaks up the flow of the game and leaves fans and players alike confused and bewildered.

Yes , I know it’s humans that make the ultimate decisions but for me I’d rather discuss the performance of a useless, incompetent or biased ref in the pub after the game rather than said ref, how many more arseholes in a wee office somewhere, multiple camera angles , stupid offside lines & replays and even more baffling decisions .

Saturdays Motherwell game was a beauty ….. to disallow ‘Wells goal after the ball shaves off a jumping players arm which he Knew nothing about then refuse the same team a Penalty after Shinnie blatantly hits the ball with his elbow is beyond belief !  What f**king good did the cameras and slo-mos do there 

keep yer pitchside monitor, yer  ref doing his ‘it’s a TV programme ‘Charades crap & a couple of guys hiding in a wee office . Costs money we don’t have & delays the game unnecessarily.
 

Edited March 18 by Callum Gilhooley

[linwood buddie]

VAR has ruined the game with the offside by a baw hair decisions at times your sitting wondering if it worth celebrating a goal incase you look like a bam when its disallowed ( especially when you know Collums involved in our games) .Between VAR and the handball laws it’s just feckin up the game , go back to refs and linesmen feckin it up without electronic help.

[stlucifer]

10 minutes ago, linwood buddie said:

VAR has ruined the game with the offside by a baw hair decisions at times your sitting wondering if it worth celebrating a goal incase you look like a bam when its disallowed ( especially when you know Collums involved in our games) .Between VAR and the handball laws it’s just feckin up the game , go back to refs and linesmen feckin it up without electronic help.

This

It might be sh!te decisions by the on-field @rseholes but at least it's cheaper sh!te without paying for the hidden sh!ts.

[TPAFKA Jersey 2]

I still think there’s a version of VAR that can work and that version is a massively simplified one. 

First thing I’d do is bin the use of VAR for retrospective red cards. On field decision stands every time. For me that has ruined many a game.

For offside, the rule needs to be changed to clear daylight. This would assist with two things being 1) decisions could be made pretty much instantly (no more standing around waiting) and 2) it would mean us having less cameras than they have in England wouldn’t be so much of a hindrance to decision making.

Penalty for a foul - I’m torn on this one between ditching it completely and going with on field decision or changing the rule from clear and obvious error (which frankly is f**king stupid in the first place as it’s totally subjective) to clear and obvious foul which should be a lot more straightforward. By clear and obvious foul I mean if you can’t see it clearly on first look then move on. A CLEAR foul should be visible from any angle.

And finally handball. I still say the problem with the inconsistent decisions re handball are the fault of the incredibly f**king stupid rule rather than with VAR. The way the rule is at present it’s almost impossible for there not to be inconsistent, subjective decisions based on one person’s interpretation. So I’d say either come up with a far more categoric rule, or ditch it from VAR.

So I guess ultimately what I’m saying is that VAR can work if it’s used only for decisions that are a matter of fact, rather than a matter of opinion or interpretation.

VAR has been massively over engineered and it should be used in the same simplistic way as goal line technology. 

I'm sure this simplified version of VAR would probably be a fair bit cheaper as well. 
 

[Slarti]

4 hours ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

VAR is a shambles and should be got rid of, brings nothing to the game, instead of clearing up controversy it muddies the water even further . It breaks up the flow of the game and leaves fans and players alike confused and bewildered.

Yes , I know it’s humans that make the ultimate decisions but for me I’d rather discuss the performance of a useless, incompetent or biased ref in the pub after the game rather than said ref, how many more arseholes in a wee office somewhere, multiple camera angles , stupid offside lines & replays and even more baffling decisions .

Saturdays Motherwell game was a beauty ….. to disallow ‘Wells goal after the ball shaves off a jumping players arm which he Knew nothing about then refuse the same team a Penalty after Shinnie blatantly hits the ball with his elbow is beyond belief !  What f**king good did the cameras and slo-mos do there 

keep yer pitchside monitor, yer  ref doing his ‘it’s a TV programme ‘Charades crap & a couple of guys hiding in a wee office . Costs money we don’t have & delays the game unnecessarily.
 

 

3 hours ago, linwood buddie said:

VAR has ruined the game with the offside by a baw hair decisions at times your sitting wondering if it worth celebrating a goal incase you look like a bam when its disallowed ( especially when you know Collums involved in our games) .Between VAR and the handball laws it’s just feckin up the game , go back to refs and linesmen feckin it up without electronic help.

 

3 hours ago, stlucifer said:

This

It might be sh!te decisions by the on-field @rseholes but at least it's cheaper sh!te without paying for the hidden sh!ts.

So you're all still on the fence then?

[antrin]

2 hours ago, Slarti said:

 

 

So you're all still on the fence then?

I’ve had a look at the video...  Some of them are on one side of the fence, some on the other.

 

whilst… aye…. others are still on it.

 

i think VAR is shite - me, myself, I.

Edited March 18 by antrin

[linwood buddie]

I’ve let the play go on , celebrated the goal , waiting for the on field check , then the 5 minute review and been called to the pitch side monitor and have decided it’s still sh*t.

[TPAFKA Jersey 2]

2 hours ago, linwood buddie said:

I’ve let the play go on , celebrated the goal , waiting for the on field check , then the 5 minute review and been called to the pitch side monitor and have decided it’s still sh*t.

There's always two ways to look at it I suppose.

I thoroughly enjoyed celebrating Olusanya's goal against Aberdeen twice! 

[Slarti]

19 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

There's always two ways to look at it I suppose.

 

Only two?

[TPAFKA Jersey 2]

5 hours ago, Slarti said:

Only two?

Ok, at least two 😄

[antrin]

Kettlewell’s faither is giving up on SPL cos of VAR.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68648948

 

I must agree.  

 

(StMirren link in the accompanying pic.  )

[Cookie Monster]

7 hours ago, antrin said:

Kettlewell’s faither is giving up on SPL cos of VAR.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68648948

 

I must agree.  

 

(StMirren link in the accompanying pic.  )

If his faither had had a wank instead of producing one then I might have listened to the wankers opinion. 

[stlucifer]

7 hours ago, antrin said:

Kettlewell’s faither is giving up on SPL cos of VAR.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68648948

 

I must agree.  

 

(StMirren link in the accompanying pic.  )

I have to say. My missus has almost turned her back on the game. A lifelong buddy, she's fed up with the nonsense that comes with a poor man's VAR and incompetent officials making ridiculous decisions. Long delays and slow motion replays making things look much worse than they were. VAR, if the idiots running our game decide it stays, must be rolled back to only get involved when a really obvious mistake is made. Not set up to micro manage every decision. In fact. Slow motion should not be used at all. If they can't conclusively see a problem in real time, it is NOT, by definition, a clear and obvious mistake

Edited March 25 by stlucifer

[faraway saint]

It seems that the supporters who are turning up in bigger numbers that many a year are quite comfortable with the "beautiful game" and there's an element that will find anything to whine about come what may. 

If it wasn't VAR it would be referees........................oh wait. 

[BigYardsAndBasher]

5 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

If his faither had had a wank instead of producing one then I might have listened to the wankers opinion. 

I dare you to say that to him in person...

[HSS]

Latest list of VAR mistakes………….3 of which went against us and cost us 3 points ☹️

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqln4xjp82xo

[WeeBud]

54 minutes ago, HSS said:

Latest list of VAR mistakes………….3 of which went against us and cost us 3 points ☹️

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqln4xjp82xo

Strangely, from a points perspective, Hearts have been the biggest beneficiaries over that same period .

[bazil85]

St Mirren & Killie battling it out for 4th. This averages out at an incorrect VAR call negatively impacting St Mirren/ positively impacting Killie every 3.77 games. 
Is there anyone that’s still defending VAR with a straight face? Give the vans a vote on binning this garbage. 

[stlucifer]

31 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

St Mirren & Killie battling it out for 4th. This averages out at an incorrect VAR call negatively impacting St Mirren/ positively impacting Killie every 3.77 games. 
Is there anyone that’s still defending VAR with a straight face? Give the vans a vote on binning this garbage. 

It's OK. We keep getting told these things even themselves out so we should be in third place by Sunday! 🤣

[WeeBud]

31 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

St Mirren & Killie battling it out for 4th. This averages out at an incorrect VAR call negatively impacting St Mirren/ positively impacting Killie every 3.77 games. 
Is there anyone that’s still defending VAR with a straight face? Give the vans a vote on binning this garbage. 

Out of interest Baz what were the stats pre VAR for positive/negative impacts on games through mistakes made be referees…..I’m not arguing for or against VAR but with nothing to measure it against your point loses strength.

[bazil85]

Just now, WeeBud said:

Out of interest Baz what were the stats pre VAR for positive/negative impacts on games through mistakes made be referees…..I’m not arguing for or against VAR but with nothing to measure it against your point loses strength.

I’m not sure but I actually think this is a really strong point on why VAR needs to go. There is no direct comparison because this level of controversy has ACTUALLY been created by VAR. 
 

Before VAR, yes there were controversial & poor calls but they didn’t dominate post match discussions & they didn’t have this level of scrutiny. Rarely were they brought back up for much longer than a couple of days after a football match. For me, VAR is diverging away from the football far too much with poor decisions that have been checked & checked again. 
 

Couple that with the in match delays and near complete pointless nature of openplay goal celebrations, it’s making the beautiful game worse not better. 
 

Football thrived for 150 years without VAR, it would do again.