During the Murray, Rae and Ross reigns, most (but not all) on here thought that they were not bad appointments (initially at least) and were willing to give them a chance.
As time passed and our deterioration continued at a pace not witnessed on the playing field, opinions changed with the benefit of hindsight and like all managers of St Mirren in recent times they were then written off as abject failures and 'bad appointments'. It could be argued that only Hendrie and MacPherson have achieved any semblance of success in the past 20 years or so, and in the previous 20 or so years to that a certain Alex Ferguson, Ricky McFarlane and Jim Clunie, could claim likewise. In fact since 1970 (when Wilson Humphries was manager) we have had 22 managers over a period of 46 years - an average time in charge of 2 years per manager.
Gus McPherson enjoyed nearly 7 years in charge and kept St Mirren at a level we can only dream about now. In the 6 and a half years since then we have had 7 managers (if you include Allan McManus) - with an average time in charge of less than a year over that period. Also during that time we moved to a dinky wee stadium appropriate for junior football (or 3rd tier senior football) and we have ended up playing that grade of football.
We now have a situation where (in 2 months time) the likes of Ross County, Hamilton Accies, Patrick Thistle and Kilmarnock, could be 2 leagues ahead of St Mirren - the club from the largest town in Scotland outside the city clubs.
We all have our opinion as to who is to blame for our current predicament but one thing is for certain IT IS NOT JACK ROSS!
Yes he can shoulder the blame (along with the senior players in the squad) for the current run of poor results but he must be given time to turn things around and I personally believe he has the potential/ability to do that along with James Fowler. Unfortunately we may have to drop down to the third level before things start to improve.
When did Gordon Scott ever give the impression that he would "stump up cash" for signings?
That's correct - never. I knew that when I signed up, did you?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and needs to make their own decision on how they feel things are going.
I can't judge Jack Ross until he's at least had chance to bring some of his own players into the team.
He started off with the same men that had failed Alex Rae, and quickly realised that many of those players simply weren't up to the job. We had all seen Kyle Hutton struggling badly yet Alex Rae played him every week (in his defence because Quinn was injured). Jack took him out of both the team and the club and got him off to Airdrie where he will hopefully stay.
Without any other option he brought in Magennis and McAllister, and the initial buzz those two boys brought to the team got us some results, albeit not spectacular.
The young lads were only ever going to take us so far. Hopefully Jack can move Hutton on, and get some sort of compo for Naismith and move him on to County early. With Walsh and Hardie gone then we should be able then to bring in 2 or 3 more on top of Storie and pray the new faces give us some fresh impetus.
I've been impressed with Jack Ross until the last couple of games. I felt he didn't handle the Morton game well at all, and I was alarmed at how flat we were on Saturday but for me he has to be given time.
I'd keep him on even if we get relegated.
Our youngsters are being let down by our senior players. Jack Ross threw caution to the wind yesterday going 3 up front and 3 at the back. We were chasing the game and got hit by a sucker punch. Heads dropped and the 3rd goal went in. 3-0 was harsh on us and JR was let down by his senior pros as they were ineffectual up front and individual errors at the back.
He inherited a car crash from AR. He hasnt been able to bring in his own players and will probably be restricted as to who he can bring in.
We need to back JR even if we go down. We can't keep chopping and changing managers all the time, continuity is needed.
Fair play to him for answering the fans, some of the criticism and abuse is unwarranted and unhelpful. Our young players need BACKING, not BARRACKING.
The negativity can GTF.
good luck guys your are in bad way , you don't want to accept the fact it may happen, you feel you are going to catch the one above you, the next thing you know time runs out reality hits home and seaside league it is, it wont be end off the world a chance to regroup. Steady a ship build again become a winning team.
been right where you lot are now team full o journey men just picking up a pay check playing out time, no passion for the club they are with no fight in them .
look at us now one o the faves to go down at start o season team full o youth team avg age 22 bur what we have is a team of fighters playing every game like its a cup final a willingness to put there head in when others shirk we have an injury crises at the moment no strikers to pick from but still getting the goals from all over the park.
looking at the video f jack ross I see a man that seems to be all about making sure he lets the fans knows he cares, its a lot of references about himself , he should care st murn pay his wadge get that message to the players to them if he cant then he has lost the dressing room already , and if I was a player watching it id be thinking , he is all about himself , drop experience play the youth go down f**k it keep the team together let them grow a passion to win together and in time you will come good .
good luck and drain the swamp
Our youngsters are being let down by our senior players. Jack Ross threw caution to the wind yesterday going 3 up front and 3 at the back. We were chasing the game and got hit by a sucker punch. Heads dropped and the 3rd goal went in. 3-0 was harsh on us and JR was let down by his senior pros as they were ineffectual up front and individual errors at the back.
Why do we stick with him? We stick with him because he's a good manager and in the long term he'll prove that. He inherited players who are used to losing and turning that round is not easy. He needs his own players and a pre season to do this and in the meanwhile i hope we can manage to stay up.
Starting this Saturday! We need to get behind the team and take a big support up to Dunfermline. We are only 7 points behind Ayr, it's not finished yet. We can either fight and stay up or go down fighting, i can't accept a meek surrender by the players and the fans. The numerous 'i told you so' threads are not helpful and it seems at times that some fans are never happier than when we are in a crisis. I'm going to go and support my team on Saturday and i expect the players to scrap for everything. This is not about Jack Ross or the BOD etc.. this is about our team saving our place in the championship and while we're still in the fight we must back the team.
Well Drew, Jack Ross cannot do much about the inherent skill levels of Webster, Langfield, Sutton, Quinn, Clarkson or Irvine. He cannot do anything if they pick up an injury and aren't 100%. Jack Ross cannot do a helluva' lot if the opposition are simply too good on the day and play great football to beat us. Jack Ross however, should at the very MINIMUM, be able to rouse his most experienced players for one final push, as we face the third tier for the first time in our history. If he cannot do that - have us go down fighting, then I don't trust him to do much of anything.
He inherited a car crash from AR. He hasnt been able to bring in his own players and will probably be restricted as to who he can bring in.
We need to back JR even if we go down. We can't keep chopping and changing managers all the time, continuity is needed.
Fair play to him for answering the fans, some of the criticism and abuse is unwarranted and unhelpful. Our young players need BACKING, not BARRACKING.
The negativity can GTF.
He inherited a car crash from AR. He hasnt been able to bring in his own players and will probably be restricted as to who he can bring in.
We need to back JR even if we go down. We can't keep chopping and changing managers all the time, continuity is needed.
Fair play to him for answering the fans, some of the criticism and abuse is unwarranted and unhelpful. Our young players need BACKING, not BARRACKING.
The negativity can GTF.
He inherited a car crash from AR. He hasnt been able to bring in his own players and will probably be restricted as to who he can bring in.
We need to back JR even if we go down. We can't keep chopping and changing managers all the time, continuity is needed.
Fair play to him for answering the fans, some of the criticism and abuse is unwarranted and unhelpful. Our young players need BACKING, not BARRACKING.
The negativity can GTF.
He inherited a car crash from AR. He hasnt been able to bring in his own players and will probably be restricted as to who he can bring in.
We need to back JR even if we go down. We can't keep chopping and changing managers all the time, continuity is needed.
Fair play to him for answering the fans, some of the criticism and abuse is unwarranted and unhelpful. Our young players need BACKING, not BARRACKING.
The negativity can GTF.
We need to back Jack Ross and the senior pros in the squad need to get their fingers out.
The youngsters are being let down by the very guys they should be looking to for leadership in the position we are in. Webster is struggling big time and the fact his legs are gone leaves him exposed and prone to errors. Quinn was a disgrace and doesn't look like he gives a f*ck if we go down. Clarkson runs about like a headless chicken moaning at the ref at every opportunity.
Naismith looked like he was killing time till his move and Shankland looks so overweight its unreal.
The negativity from the crowd found its way onto the pitch meaning players were scared to get on the ball, misplace a pass and face a torrent of abuse. Our fans need to look at themselves as well. Our club song these days seems to be "Booooo....!!"
In short, we're f*ck£d, best we can hope for now is a playoff place.
He inherited a car crash from AR. He hasnt been able to bring in his own players and will probably be restricted as to who he can bring in.
We need to back JR even if we go down. We can't keep chopping and changing managers all the time, continuity is needed.
Fair play to him for answering the fans, some of the criticism and abuse is unwarranted and unhelpful. Our young players need BACKING, not BARRACKING.
The negativity can GTF.
Our manager came in too very difficult circumstances a squad he did not build not one player did he sign. Have every faith Jack will get us to the playoffs which has got to be looked upon as sucess this season. If you want St Mirren to survive this season support is the only option. What i heard on St Mirren TV from a minority today was shocking , cringe worthy.