shull 30,991 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, RossCSmfc said: Mainly because all you bring from that sort of attitude is negativity, a lot of it comes out the woodwork as soon as the going gets tough. Take the Alex Rae/JR transition as the most recent example - a section of the support were giving JR a tough time at the start because people thought JR was wasting the money he had on untried signings that nobody had heard of and we had a run of bad results. The other section of the support were supporting their club and JR has credited those supporters as one of the reasons for the turnaround. I’m not saying that Stubbs is going to do anything close to what JR had done for us, but the least he deserves is our support because it doesn’t help anyone with those sorts of comments. Refusing to go and pay to watch the team only hurts us further. I thought “50+ years” of experience watching the club might’ve indicated that (FWIW, I’ve not been here anywhere near that length of time, so maybe my opinion means nothing). We’ll seldom spend money on players to out bid our rivals and will turn to contingency targets if need be - it’s always been that way and always will. I have absolutely no issue with that, especially if it actually bears fruit like it has done over the last couple of years.. Get your hand in your pocket and get supporting the club. COYS! Budget already been set for Season, Billy not going is irrelevant. Anyway , if income is not what expected then a good business person will adjust it accordingly. Support is from the heart not the wallet . 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 30,258 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 9 hours ago, oaksoft said: I actually have no idea what this post means. Me as well. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
munoz 8,469 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, shull said: Budget already been set for Season, Billy not going is irrelevant. Anyway , if income is not what expected then a good business person will adjust it accordingly. Support is from the heart not the wallet . If everyone has Billy's outlook, we won't have a team to "support ". 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shull 30,991 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, munoz said: If everyone has Billy's outlook, we won't have a team to "support ". We will. Just have a smaller budget and probably have to be part time. Support our Club via your heart wherever we may play. COME ON THE SAINTS. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soctty 4,252 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 11 hours ago, billyg said: I was actually sitting in an all exclusive beach hotel when I posted that , so get it up you Are you really that gullible to think if we had sold , say , double the amount of season tickets ,that the money would have gone on players "All exclusive", or "self-catering" as we used to call it... 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St.Ricky 8,253 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 4 hours ago, shull said: Budget already been set for Season, Billy not going is irrelevant. Anyway , if income is not what expected then a good business person will adjust it accordingly. Support is from the heart not the wallet . Often agree with you Shull but not in this case. Won't come as a surprise. I suggest that Fans are: All of those interested in football are Fans of the Game. All of those interested in St Mirren are Fans of St Mirren So far we are in agreement - that's with the heart. Supporters are different. They actively support the club by attending, buying tickets, buying services (TV, Club Membership etc) or through voluntary work. Some do a combination of these. This doesn't diminish the role of the Fan but does differentiate it. You go to games...You are a Fan first and Foremost but you are also a Supporter through which you actively enable the club to maintain and improve the stadium and playing staff. Our club's supporters are taking their involvement further and are buying the club. Why does the distinction matter? It matters a lot. The club is seeking to convert fans into supporters. They have done well over the past 3 seasons to take attendances from 3,000 to 3,600 to 4449 and possibly 5,500 this season. Have just been re-reading the book published to celebrate the 125th Anniversary. Ferguson is credited with single handed raising attendance figures. This generated revenue - this let us recruit better players - this enabled us to challenge for honours. So - Being a Fan is great - the more the merrier - but - being a supporter is essential to the ongoing success of the club. Which grows the Fan base etc etc tc 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pod 7,189 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Often agree with you Shull but not in this case. Won't come as a surprise. I suggest that Fans are: All of those interested in football are Fans of the Game. All of those interested in St Mirren are Fans of St Mirren So far we are in agreement - that's with the heart. Supporters are different. They actively support the club by attending, buying tickets, buying services (TV, Club Membership etc) or through voluntary work. Some do a combination of these. This doesn't diminish the role of the Fan but does differentiate it. You go to games...You are a Fan first and Foremost but you are also a Supporter through which you actively enable the club to maintain and improve the stadium and playing staff. Our club's supporters are taking their involvement further and are buying the club. Why does the distinction matter? It matters a lot. The club is seeking to convert fans into supporters. They have done well over the past 3 seasons to take attendances from 3,000 to 3,600 to 4449 and possibly 5,500 this season. Have just been re-reading the book published to celebrate the 125th Anniversary. Ferguson is credited with single handed raising attendance figures. This generated revenue - this let us recruit better players - this enabled us to challenge for honours. So - Being a Fan is great - the more the merrier - but - being a supporter is essential to the ongoing success of the club. Which grows the Fan base etc etc tc Where do true fans and true supporters come into your equation. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 30,258 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, pod said: Where do true fans and true supporters come into your equation. If you attend an away game are you a supporter or fan? If you keep saying how good you are does that make you a fanny? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Callum Gilhooley 10,016 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 Where do true fans and true supporters come into your equation. Where do knicker-wetters and happy clappers fit in ? 🤪 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pod 7,189 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, faraway saint said: If you keep saying how good you look does that make you a fanny? Only if you open your eyes when you look in the mirror. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shull 30,991 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Often agree with you Shull but not in this case. Won't come as a surprise. I suggest that Fans are: All of those interested in football are Fans of the Game. All of those interested in St Mirren are Fans of St Mirren So far we are in agreement - that's with the heart. Supporters are different. They actively support the club by attending, buying tickets, buying services (TV, Club Membership etc) or through voluntary work. Some do a combination of these. This doesn't diminish the role of the Fan but does differentiate it. You go to games...You are a Fan first and Foremost but you are also a Supporter through which you actively enable the club to maintain and improve the stadium and playing staff. Our club's supporters are taking their involvement further and are buying the club. Why does the distinction matter? It matters a lot. The club is seeking to convert fans into supporters. They have done well over the past 3 seasons to take attendances from 3,000 to 3,600 to 4449 and possibly 5,500 this season. Have just been re-reading the book published to celebrate the 125th Anniversary. Ferguson is credited with single handed raising attendance figures. This generated revenue - this let us recruit better players - this enabled us to challenge for honours. So - Being a Fan is great - the more the merrier - but - being a supporter is essential to the ongoing success of the club. Which grows the Fan base etc etc tc Fans are Supporters Supporters are Fans No difference. My Mum was a Supporter and never attended a Match. She was also a Fan. Faraway Saint is both also as is Billy. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 30,258 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, shull said: Fans are Supporters Supporters are Fans No difference. My Mum was a Supporter and never attended a Match. She was also a Fan. Faraway Saint is both also as is Billy. It seems that years of supporting, or being a fan, doesn't count for FRicky, he's just concerned telling everyone how good he is. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shull 30,991 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 Hay was given massive resources to help us challenge for honours. We got relegated. Hendrie's Team had little resource and was expected to get relegated. Millennium Champions 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St.Ricky 8,253 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, pod said: Where do true fans and true supporters come into your equation. I treat all fans as sincere and that each and everyone is a true fan. The difference for a supporter is that they turn that interest as a fan into actual support for the club through their purchasing power. Supporters support according to their resources. None though are better than another. Neither are supporters some sort of group of super fans. Edited August 23, 2018 by St.Ricky 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St.Ricky 8,253 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, faraway saint said: It seems that years of supporting, or being a fan, doesn't count for FRicky, he's just concerned telling everyone how good he is. Don't talk rubbish. I am no more and no less of a fan or supporter than others. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pod 7,189 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Don't talk rubbish. I am no more and no less of a fan or supporter than others. So you can be one or other or both. Now super fans is a new one. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St.Ricky 8,253 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, pod said: So you can be one or other or both. Now super fans is a new one. Simple pod. Anyone with an interest in St Mirren and who follow their fortunes are fans. My take is straightforward .. fans interest level can vary...e.g. not all fans are on the Forum. Doesn't matter. Fans who respond to their interest and use their available financial resources to purchase services which build the revenue and infrastructure of the club are also supporters. Doesn't make them in any way superior. The club is seeking to grow the fan Base knowing that this will translate into more revenue when growing numbers of these become active supporters. Clearly there will be a number of fans who for personal reasons don't or can't make the change to contributing revenue to the club. Doesn't make them less of a Fan. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pod 7,189 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Simple pod. Anyone with an interest in St Mirren and who follow their fortunes are fans. My take is straightforward .. fans interest level can vary...e.g. not all fans are on the Forum. Doesn't matter. Fans who respond to their interest and use their available financial resources to purchase services which build the revenue and infrastructure of the club are also supporters. Doesn't make them in any way superior. The club is seeking to grow the fan Base knowing that this will translate into more revenue when growing numbers of these become active supporters. Clearly there will be a number of fans who for personal reasons don't or can't make the change to contributing revenue to the club. Doesn't make them less of a Fan. What about the fans that don't want the club to have revenue when it comes to filling seats. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rabuddies 1,378 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 Why are people trying to state facts. This is the SPECULATION THREAD?????? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St.Ricky 8,253 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, pod said: What about the fans that don't want the club to have revenue when it comes to filling seats. Already said...a Fan is a Fan is a Fan 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
munoz 8,469 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, rabuddies said: Why are people trying to state facts. This is the SPECULATION THREAD?????? That's a fact . 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radar 92 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Already said...a Fan is a Fan is a Fan Except when he's a customer of course!!! 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St.Ricky 8,253 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Radar said: Except when he's a customer of course!!! Customer/Supporter. ... revenue adding fans. Of course, not all customers will be St Mirren Fans. Strangely they might come along as fans and supporters of other clubs or none. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billyg 5,797 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 If everyone has Billy's outlook, we won't have a team to "support ".When I supported the team , home and away every week in the early 70s there were crowds of around 500 at Cliftonhill , Forfar , Brechin etc the club was at its lowest ever ebb and lowest ever standing. If it wasn’t for the likes of me and the few that went every away game back then , you may not have had a team to support now. I’ve earned the right to pass on an ST and to berate a god awful manager . 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whydowebother 6,586 Report post Posted August 23, 2018 If you keep saying how good you are does that make you a fanny? Only if you take a bag of messages for the collection 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
