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Bluto, I take exception to being called a "liar".

I read every page, including the Hammas diatribe. Yes political rantings are made at football grounds, but time and time again I've read on this very site that St Mirren fans should rise above the political machinations of other clubs and try not to get dragged into their neanderthal rantings.

You were happy to criticise and wrongly call me a liar, however you failed to answer "why did he choose to shout it at all at a match involving St Mirren"?

I don't know why. I am not him.

Your question is better directed elsewhere.

If you had read every post, you'd have seen that there is plenty of precedent for such things being called at Scottish football grounds and would not have then questioned the right of shouting - FREE PALESTINE - anywhere in public in Scotland.

Unless you did so in order to be confrontational. And so I guess you succeeded. :P

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A rather sensible interpretation of the relevant legislation by a Sheriff today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-22097356

"Prosecutors are considering appealing the not guilty verdict in the trial of a Celtic fan caught singing a pro-terrorist song at Dundee's Dens Park.

Dion McLeish was cleared at Dundee Sheriff Court of inciting public disorder during Dundee's Boxing Day match against Celtic.

Sheriff Richard Davidson said the legislation under which he was being tried was "horribly drafted".

The Crown Office has confirmed it was preparing an appeal over the verdict.

Mr McLeish, 20, from Clydebank, was filmed by police officers at Dundee's Dens Park ground on Boxing Day singing the song "Roll of Honour", which celebrates IRA and INLA hunger strikers during the Troubles.

But Sheriff Richard Davidson ruled during the trial that police officers could not give "opinion" evidence that the song was linked to proscribed terrorist organisations, and then described the new anti-sectarianism legislation McLeish was tried under as "horribly drafted".

The Crown Office and Scottish government have insisted the laws were "working well" and "taking a hard line on sectarianism".

Denominational schools

The Scottish government said the legislation would be reviewed at the end of the coming football season, with a report to go before the Scottish Parliament by the following summer.

Continue reading the main story Prosecutors have asked for reports to be prepared as they consider an appeal against the ruling in Mr McLeish's case, in which the sheriff stated sectarianism should be tackled by abolishing denominational schools.

A Crown Office spokesman said: "The Crown notes the sheriff's decision in this case. Crown counsel has asked the procurator fiscal for a report in order to consider an appeal in light of the sheriff's comments."

Sheriff Davidson, speaking during a legal debate at Mr McLeish's trial, criticised the laws.

He said: "In this context I think that potentially those who attend Murrayfield and sing Flower of Scotland - there might be a problem."

Not concerned

Referring to the legislation, Sheriff Davidson said: "Somehow the word mince comes to mind."

Mr McLeish was one of four fans who had been arrested at the match, with a further supporter reported to the procurator fiscal.

Finding the 20-year-old not guilty, Sheriff Davidson added: "I've been attending football matches since 1957 and there is nothing I've seen in this particular case that would cause me the slightest concern.

"Sectarianism is a blight on Scottish society, but this isn't the way to tackle it. The way to tackle it is to do away with denominational schools.

"If they can proscribe a list of songs which people are banned from singing, they will find the courts are full and the football grounds are empty." "

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Bluto, I don't come on here to 'wind people up' however I do take exception to being called a liar.

"Defences against defamation

: The first is justification (or truth). If the defendant can show that what he wrote is true, he has a complete defence. This is not always easy. You cannot, for example, call someone a liar if you can quote only one falsehood to substantiate your claim. The plaintiff could probably win a libel action unless you showed that he was a habitual liar."

Be careful who and why you call someone a liar especially in print - it could come back to haunt you.

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Bluto, I take exception to being called a "liar".

I read every page, including the Hammas diatribe. Yes political rantings are made at football grounds, but time and time again I've read on this very site that St Mirren fans should rise above the political machinations of other clubs and try not to get dragged into their neanderthal rantings.

You were happy to criticise and wrongly call me a liar, however you failed to answer "why did he choose to shout it at all at a match involving St Mirren"?

If you genuninely read all the pages of this thread then you are not a liar.

You are how ever in need of a life.............

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In my opinion the orignal poster got upset when most of this forum saw it for what it was a trivial matter and him and his pals threw their toys out of the pram when lots of people did not agree with the indignation of the aforementioned person getting lifted,

There is a good chane this case won't even come to court.

If you want to shout political slogans at a football match I think you deserve everything you get.

Bumping your gums about this for months on end is not going to change anything, and trying to compare it with previous matches is petty.

I was at the previous celtic cup game and these stewards had done the same thing for a guy calling neil lennon a balaclava wearing bastard, which put two officers in the area of the dugout for the rest of the match, so the paisley police will have been looking for this kind of thing at the league game also.

he should have been ejected by our stewards end of

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Bluto, I take exception to being called a "liar".

I read every page, including the Hammas diatribe. Yes political rantings are made at football grounds, but time and time again I've read on this very site that St Mirren fans should rise above the political machinations of other clubs and try not to get dragged into their neanderthal rantings.

You were happy to criticise and wrongly call me a liar, however you failed to answer "why did he choose to shout it at all at a match involving St Mirren"?

Good post.

So Bluto has resorted to calling people liars now and totally side-lining the fact that someone disgraced the stripes and the good name of St. Mirren Football Club. I'm becoming more and more convinced with each passing day that Bluto is in reality an Old Firm sympathiser. His behaviour is Old Firm-esque at its very best with Political and Religious ramblings which quite frankly make him sound like a man suffering from serious delusions.

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What side you take is up to you.

I'm taking you to task on coming on here and requesting to have a discussion thread closed down.

Have a quick search for "GTPS" and you will see how often requests are made for threads to be bumped out of General St Mirren Discussion.

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Bluto, I don't come on here to 'wind people up' however I do take exception to being called a liar.

"Defences against defamation

: The first is justification (or truth). If the defendant can show that what he wrote is true, he has a complete defence. This is not always easy. You cannot, for example, call someone a liar if you can quote only one falsehood to substantiate your claim. The plaintiff could probably win a libel action unless you showed that he was a habitual liar."

Be careful who and why you call someone a liar especially in print - it could come back to haunt you.

Cos of this post of yours I had a sleepless night, I have amended my post above to point out that you're NOT a liar.

I was erroneously quite wrong in my assumption. My logic was flawed.

Previously I'd enjoyed reading your posts and recognised you as a mature, sensible and interesting poster with a worthwhile perspective on most matters.

So I stupidly believed that for you to suggest that there is no place in football for free speech, despite the evidence presented by all the other posters about there being political slogans around the park at GHR (you'll have read all them too, of course) and despite the photos of organised political protests by Celtic supporters, had to be attributed to you not having read or understood that evidence.

Either you'd not read them or you were nowhere near as mature, sensible and intelligent as I had believed

Obviously my earlier judgement was flawed and so I apologise again. :)

You're certainly NOT a liar.

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Is everybody still enjoying the 100% Hampden Feelgood Factor ? :whistle

Dunno about feel good.

I watched that DVD yesterday morning and my wummin came back in early and I was er... No greetin... Naw.. I was Er... Suffering from an allergic reaction, possibly.

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Dunno about feel good.

I watched that DVD yesterday morning and my wummin came back in early and I was er... No greetin... Naw.. I was Er... Suffering from an allergic reaction, possibly.

Got me again last night after the wee yin demanded to watch the Sportscene highlights for the umpteenth time.

When we watch it, she's got to be St Mirren and me Hearts so guess who gets humiliated throughout and after the Match ?

" Your Team has scored Dad, why are you not cheering ? "

Wee bisom !

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Meant to say, shull.

It wisnae the actual physical DVD, but it was posted on YouTube. I found it on p+b.

CHEAPER and more immediate than an Xmas present. :)

Eta: found it for you (for Abby)

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/200467-st-mirren-cup-final-official-doovde-thread/

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Meant to say, shull.

It wisnae the actual physical DVD, but it was posted on YouTube. I found it on p+b.

CHEAPER and more immediate than an Xmas present. smile.png

Eta: found it for you (for Abby)

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/200467-st-mirren-cup-final-official-doovde-thread/

Brilliant, watched about one minute and i was gone again.

I better get to work.

Me and the wee yin will watch tonight.

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Cos of this post of yours I had a sleepless night, I have amended my post above to point out that you're NOT a liar.

I was erroneously quite wrong in my assumption. My logic was flawed.

Previously I'd enjoyed reading your posts and recognised you as a mature, sensible and interesting poster with a worthwhile perspective on most matters.

So I stupidly believed that for you to suggest that there is no place in football for free speech, despite the evidence presented by all the other posters about there being political slogans around the park at GHR (you'll have read all them too, of course) and despite the photos of organised political protests by Celtic supporters, had to be attributed to you not having read or understood that evidence.

Either you'd not read them or you were nowhere near as mature, sensible and intelligent as I had believed

Obviously my earlier judgement was flawed and so I apologise again.
You're certainly NOT a liar.

Bluto, I am flattered by your praise even if it was tinged with a touch of satire!

It is not lost on me that I should raise a matter of libel in a thread that relates to ‘Free Speech’, however you will be well aware that there is a strong and very clear difference between free speech and words directed at an individual without any basis of fact.

The only two venues where I think you could get away with calling me a ‘liar’ would be in a court of law and the Houses of Parliament, however if you decide to attack someone (or libel them) without due cause outside of these locations you open up yourself up to the possible consequences. In both cases the words would be spoken as opposed to written and not put in print other than in Hansard.

Your apology is accepted.

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Got me again last night after the wee yin demanded to watch the Sportscene highlights for the umpteenth time.

When we watch it, she's got to be St Mirren and me Hearts so guess who gets humiliated throughout and after the Match ?

" Your Team has scored Dad, why are you not cheering ? "

Wee bisom !

Stop her pocket money! that'll sort her oot!

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Brilliant, watched about one minute and i was gone again.

I better get to work.

Me and the wee yin will watch tonight.

I watched it and blubbed away like a wean. I've got a rotten cold and tried to blame it on that but the Mrs. was having none of it. She knows bloody rightly it doesn't take a lot to get me going with St.Mirren. At least none of the kids were here.

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Cos of this post of yours I had a sleepless night, I have amended my post above to point out that you're NOT a liar.

I was erroneously quite wrong in my assumption. My logic was flawed.

Previously I'd enjoyed reading your posts and recognised you as a mature, sensible and interesting poster with a worthwhile perspective on most matters.

So I stupidly believed that for you to suggest that there is no place in football for free speech, despite the evidence presented by all the other posters about there being political slogans around the park at GHR (you'll have read all them too, of course) and despite the photos of organised political protests by Celtic supporters, had to be attributed to you not having read or understood that evidence.

Either you'd not read them or you were nowhere near as mature, sensible and intelligent as I had believed

Obviously my earlier judgement was flawed and so I apologise again. smile.png

You're certainly NOT a liar.

What an arrogant, selfish, self-indulgent, Grade A tosser. thumbdown.gif

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