Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Some folk just cannae let that referendum go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 See what Westminster lies do to relationships, it's disgusting - that is what you were getting at, isn't it? The issue is that the whole Yes movement simply cannot accept defeat. Todays papers are full of Alex Salmonds claims that the only reason Scotland voted No is because of a last minute offer made by Gordon Brown. That's bollocks - and it's been shown to be bollocks by Lord Ashcroft who in each of his polls has found that the main reason cited by Scots for voting No was currency and the fact that the SNP and particularly Alex Salmond could not make a credible case on the subject. You've got a man who for years now has made his sole purpose in life the division and separation of a nation and he's done that at the cost of his day job which, as First Minister, was to make Scotland a better place to live. 750,000 Scots fell out with their family and friends over Alex Salmonds wet dream. Accept the defeat, put it to bed and leave it for the generation that you promised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Apart from the fact that there was no such pledge, how long exactly is a generation? That's like saying a political party, on losing an election, should not prepare for the next one. Or a football team should, on losing their first match, disband and never compete again. Or you should never ask the same girl out more than once. Or give up trying to get a girl to swallow when she spits the first time. You know, I hope England get a vote soon on independence as I would like to see the arguments put forward by the unionist parties to keep the union. They would be the total opposite to what they spouted before September. Scotland subsidises England so we can't afford to leave them. It's where we can shove our nukes out of the way. They've got 200 years worth of oil. We would have to build our warships in a foreign country as we don't have the facilities here in England. We need their renewable energy. Blah, blah, blah, etc. No? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29196661 Alex Salmond says "Referendum is a once in a generation opportunity" Salmonds a lying fud and you're a tit for following him Edited November 17, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Hmm... i love the way the referendum was NOT about him... and yet it was... so the personal opinion of the driving force behind the whole independence movement suddenly now doesn't matter.... except that every other opinion of his has been quoted ad nauseum this last week or two. Selective? Christ no... that's the domain of the bad BBC that caused the defeat in the referendum. We all accept that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Hmm... i love the way the referendum was NOT about him... and yet it was... so the personal opinion of the driving force behind the whole independence movement suddenly now doesn't matter.... except that every other opinion of his has been quoted ad nauseum this last week or two. Selective? Christ no... that's the domain of the bad BBC that caused the defeat in the referendum. We all accept that now. I really expected better of you Brian. He WAS a focul point for the campaign. That was partly a media decision. He WASN'T the campaign. There were many individuals campaigning for independence and not all of them were SNP members. Salmond is entitled to his opinion. It certainly could not be party policy as it would be totally contrary to the basis of the SNP. Their manifesto has always been based on creating an independant nation. The referendum was against that but it doesn't mean the idea dies. It just means the pro independant movement needs to convince more of the nation that it's in it's interest to seperate from what isa nation fast warming to an even more right wing and isolationist ideal. And they have a cheek to criticise the seperatists notion. Edited November 18, 2014 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I really expected better of you Brian. He WAS a focul point for the campaign. The referendum was against that but it doesn't mean the idea dies. It just means the pro independant movement needs to convince more of the nation that it's in it's interest to seperate from what isa nation fast warming to an even more right wing and isolationist ideal. And they have a cheek to criticise the seperaists notion. "Focul"? I'd go more with damp squib.This 'nation fast warming to an even more right wing' etc....? If you mean UKIP, they are as irrelevant to the mainstream 'UK ideal' as the SNP was recently. There will always be protest votes and the equivalents of the MonsterRavingLoony party, but when it comes to genuine, lasting, effective political movements, the British electorate will not frighten the horses. Nothing will happen. There may be the (very) odd MP elected. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Bluto describing Lib Dems in 2010? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Bluto describing Lib Dems in 2010? Perceptive, tony. Just as good an example as mine... of an irrelevant protest party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) "Focul"? I'd go more with damp squib. This 'nation fast warming to an even more right wing' etc....? If you mean UKIP, they are as irrelevant to the mainstream 'UK ideal' as the SNP was recently. There will always be protest votes and the equivalents of the MonsterRavingLoony party, but when it comes to genuine, lasting, effective political movements, the British electorate will not frighten the horses. Nothing will happen. There may be the (very) odd MP elected. That is all. I mean even the mainstream Conservative (Tory) party is having to shuffle ever rightward in an attempt to steal the Farage frock. Edited November 18, 2014 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hmm... i love the way the referendum was NOT about him... and yet it was... so the personal opinion of the driving force behind the whole independence movement suddenly now doesn't matter.... except that every other opinion of his has been quoted ad nauseum this last week or two. Selective? Christ no... that's the domain of the bad BBC that caused the defeat in the referendum. We all accept that now. You're going to have to get used to the fact that because the No victory was tight the Yes supporters aren't going to go away. If you want to keep the UK together you're going to have to fight for it. The idea that 45% of the voters will simply let this lie is naive. I said before the vote that IMO 60-65% either way was needed as an absolute minimum to kill the issue. BT simply couldn't muster enough support to kill it. That's the reason why we're still talking about it. That's the reason why BT supporters are unhappy despite their win - they ultimately know it wasn't enough to win completely. Welcome to the new norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 You're going to have to get used to the fact that because the No victory was tight the Yes supporters aren't going to go away. If you want to keep the UK together you're going to have to fight for it. The idea that 45% of the voters will simply let this lie is naive. I said before the vote that IMO 60-65% either way was needed as an absolute minimum to kill the issue. BT simply couldn't muster enough support to kill it. That's the reason why we're still talking about it. That's the reason why BT supporters are unhappy despite their win - they ultimately know it wasn't enough to win completely. Welcome to the new norm. No you didn't you said that the YES vote would get 60-65% , It was your prediction if i remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 No you didn't you said that the YES vote would get 60-65% , It was your prediction if i remember. Yes, yes it was. What a laughing stock. Joky Oaky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I mean even the mainstream Conservative (Tory) party is having to shuffle ever rightword in an attempt to steal the Farage frock.FFS, mental image of Farage cross dressing, that's me aff ma tea tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 No you didn't you said that the YES vote would get 60-65% , It was your prediction if i remember. I also said repeatedly that I wanted one side to hit a minimum of 60-65% to prevent problems like we're seeing now where the issue will remain live for the next decade or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I also said repeatedly that I wanted one side to hit a minimum of 60-65% to prevent problems like we're seeing now where the issue will remain live for the next decade or so. You repeatedly predicted a comprehensive YES win, didn't you? You said the pollsters were wrong and 'social media' was right, didn't you? : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Well, yes, his post admits that he was wrong - the use of "also" is a clue. Now how about you address the actual content instead of launching (yet another) ad hominem attack. Edited November 19, 2014 by salmonbuddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I spent a rather uncomfortable evening at the football tonight stood behind two very heavily inebriated tartan clad "nationalists". The first one did a Nazi salute towards the English fans during the Flower of Scotland National Anthem. I tapped him on the shoulder, leaned forward and said "seriously mate - drop the salute. There's cameras everywhere. You don't want to land up on telly doing that shit". He apologised, tried to give me a hug, then did a fist bump thing and then turned round to continue with his salute. Just after half time he left and as he passed me on the steps he said he was going over to see if he could get closer to those "*** bastards" The second fan had seemed ok. He was there with his girlfriend but during the second half Danny Wellbeck went down injured much to the annoyance of some of the lads around me, and this guy deemed it appropriate to start making monkey noises. His girlfriend quickly grabbed him and he stopped, Perhaps his racism just slipped out, maybe he thought it was fair game but what was abundantly clear was that even at a nationalist gathering as this match was, the kind of behaviours that many in the Yes Campaign would like to tag as "English" are just as prevalent in open Scottish society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 You repeatedly predicted a comprehensive YES win, didn't you? You said the pollsters were wrong and 'social media' was right, didn't you? : : : Aye he did, but Oaksoft and reality are well detached. He claims he's some sort of scientist yet evidence escapes him every single time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 You repeatedly predicted a comprehensive YES win, didn't you? You said the pollsters were wrong and 'social media' was right, didn't you? : : : Obviously , he hadn't taken into account , the last minute dirty, illegal , lying ,tricks of the British Establishment. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well, yes, his post admits that he was wrong - the use of "also" is a clue. Now how about you address the actual content instead of launching (yet another) ad hominem attack. ad nauseam , more like. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 So you were at a nationalist gathering? True leanings coming out, Dorothy? Just for your information, nationalism and racism are neither mutually exclusive nor symbiotic. Besides that, this will probably be just another one of your "stories". Dicko dips his worm in and slarti takes a nibble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 So you were at a nationalist gathering? True leanings coming out, Dorothy? Just for your information, nationalism and racism are neither mutually exclusive nor symbiotic. Besides that, this will probably be just another one of your "stories". Oh I am perfectly aware that nationalism and racism is neither exclusive of symbiotic, but what I witnessed last night clearly showed that the racists in society aren't all middle England based UKIP voters as some on here would have us believe. There are plenty of racist and prejudicial socialists, many of whom will believe that the SNP fit their agenda, particularly with the SNP's long history of homophobes within the party leadership - and that some, well one at least, will make Nazi salutes during the playing of an anti English unofficial National Anthem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Can anyone explain the fixation with increased childcare provision and tell me how it will improve matters? Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Childcare provision is patchy relatively poor and very expensive. By improving it you encourage more parents, mainly mothers, to return to the workplace. This combined with reducing the cost should increase household disposable income. There's probably more to it, however there's a starter for ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Can anyone explain the fixation with increased childcare provision and tell me how it will improve matters? Genuine question. i don't get it either,seems to me that they are saying people cant look after their children - so we will, there are those in society who unfortunately dont take good care of their children but not to the extent that child care needs ramped up, that was a tory idea anyway "stop income support for single parents and get them into work,half could train as childminders and look after the kids of the rest who will get jobs" except there are not enough jobs for them, and a heck of a lot of nurseries would need to be built - which wont happen, probably "more childcare" is the flavour of the month vote winning wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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