shull Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 They're doing well .................. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30140747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Saw Nigel Farage on Breakfast TV saying that UKIP could take win seats from Labour or Conservative parties from here (Rochester & Strood) to Hadrian's Wall - obviously his definition of the UK in UKIP is different from mine. An irrelevance to Scotland were it not for the fact that their success in the recent by-elections will, undoubtedly, move the other parties to the right - depressed already at the prospect of living in a country where the political agenda is gonna be set by Daily Mail reading Little Englanders. Edited November 21, 2014 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 They're doing well .................. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30140747 Just what we need - on track for a racist, sexist, homophobic and intolerant party to rule England and by extension Scotland. Sooooooooo glad we voted No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Saw Nigel Farage on Breakfast TV saying that UKIP could take win seats from Labour or Conservative parties from here (Rochesster & Strood) to Hadrian's Wall - obviously his definition of the UK in UKIP is different from mine. An irrelevance to Scotland were it not for the fact that their success in the recent by-elections will, undoubtedly, move the other parties to the right - depressed already at the prospect of living in a country where the political agenda is gonna be set by Daily Mail reading Little Englanders. As a nation we voted for this. We knew full well that UKIP taking over was very likely and we voted No anyway. We are supposed to now be happy, embrace this and pipe down apparently. For those who still doubt the scale of the UKIP problem, this was their 271st target seat and they romped it overcoming a staggering 9000-odd margin. Edited November 21, 2014 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 The long slow goose step to fascism begins here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanleySaint Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 There is also the question of a well known (former)sitting MP who defected to UKIP to take in to considersation, not like the voters didn't know who the candidate was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Of course what hasn't been mentioned is that the MP in Rochester never changed last night, merely the rosette he wore. UKIP never really 'turned anything around'. The people of Rochester just voted for the MP they already had. Difference being that MP had changed from a Conservative to a UKIP candidate. UKIP will be lucky to get 5 seats in May. Edited November 21, 2014 by TopCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Just what we need - on track for a racist, sexist, homophobic and intolerant party to rule England and by extension Scotland. Sooooooooo glad we voted No. Enough of the Tories what about UKIP, they are even more extreme .......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Of course what hasn't been mentioned is that the MP in Rochester never changed last night, merely the rosette he wore. UKIP never really 'turned anything around'. The people of Rochester just voted for the MP they already had. Difference being that MP had changed from a Conservative to a UKIP candidate. UKIP will be lucky to get 5 seats in May. The concern is that other sitting Tories may see this as there best chance of retaining their seat com the general election and hence UKIP will win seats by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 The long slow goose step to fascism begins here... Long & slow/ We'll see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepaisleypanda Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 This is hardly relevant to us here in Scotland! Libs will be lucky to get 2 seats, Tories the same & the rest is up to SNP or Labour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 This is hardly relevant to us here in Scotland! Libs will be lucky to get 2 seats, Tories the same & the rest is up to SNP or Labour! It's only relevant to Scotland because we need to understand why we are not seeing this UKIP surge here. Only the SNP are stopping it by being a party who are clearly seen to be fighting for our country tooth and nail. That's why UKIP have no voice here. The SNP are getting it. That needs to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 It's only relevant to Scotland because we need to understand why we are not seeing this UKIP surge here. Only the SNP are stopping it by being a party who are clearly seen to be fighting for our country tooth and nail. That's why UKIP have no voice here. The SNP are getting it. That needs to continue. UKIP lack of voice here might also have plenty to do with their total contempt for us. Farage said on national tv that they would win seats from Rochester to HADRIANS WALL !!!! UKip my arse more like EIP and they are welcome to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 as long as they are a one policy party and that's what everyone talks about, they will continue to get away with it. The question is always, are you racist, and they can defend against that. If they were completely scrutinised on other parts of their policies, then they would get found out quickly. They are a mix of tories and BNP which is middle england's (and middle scotland's) wet dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 It's only relevant to Scotland because we need to understand why we are not seeing this UKIP surge here. Only the SNP are stopping it by being a party who are clearly seen to be fighting for our country tooth and nail. That's why UKIP have no voice here. The SNP are getting it. That needs to continue. The SNP are a UKIP. THAT is 'why'. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 An ENP would be fine with me as are UKIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The SNP are a UKIP. THAT is 'why'. That is all. Indeed. In Scotland many disillusioned voters decided that even if they wanted to, voting for labour was simply not an option. Other alternatives would have been a wasted vote or a non-starter, so SNP was the protest vote of choice even for people not wanting independence. In England, I see it very much the same, with UKIP in place of SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The SNP are a UKIP. THAT is 'why'. That is all. Indeed. In Scotland many disillusioned voters decided that even if they wanted to, voting for labour was simply not an option. Other alternatives would have been a wasted vote or a non-starter, so SNP was the protest vote of choice even for people not wanting independence. In England, I see it very much the same, with UKIP in place of SNP. The SNP might be, in many instances, the refuge of protest votes but in outlook they are in no way like UKIP. In any case 45% of those who voted in the referendum voted positively for independence, since then we've seen the fracturing of the Better Together Alliance (less than 12 hours after the polls closed ) and to my eyes the jump rightwards by the Tories down south to outflank UKIP. I understand that you can't have a referendum every three months until the correct result is achieved but by the same token it shouldn't be a free ticket for 20 years for the Unionist parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The SNP "surge" is largely based on being fairly competent in their performance at Holyrood. Certainly in comparison to the previous labour administrations who'd only aspirations were to implement Tony Blair's "Radical" agenda. SNP are largely trusted by people who were sceptical but now see them as serious politicians that do actually know their arse from their elbow. The UKIP "Surge" is based on not being labour, liberal or conservative. Once people realise what their policies are and look at their actual record in local government and Brussels this might happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The SNP "surge" is largely based on being fairly competent in their performance at Holyrood. Certainly in comparison to the previous labour administrations who'd only aspirations were to implement Tony Blair's "Radical" agenda. SNP are largely trusted by people who were sceptical but now see them as serious politicians that do actually know their arse from their elbow. The UKIP "Surge" is based on not being labour, liberal or conservative. Once people realise what their policies are and look at their actual record in local government and Brussels this might happen Thought that was you hanging by the neck Then I realised, and all was well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The SNP are a UKIP. THAT is 'why'. That is all. I must have missed the endless stream of SNP MSP's talking about how foreigners should be deported after a grace period. I must also have missed the endless stream of anti-homosexual, anti-women and anti-EU bile from them as well. I really need to start reading newspapers more often. I'm missing everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Indeed. In Scotland many disillusioned voters decided that even if they wanted to, voting for labour was simply not an option. Other alternatives would have been a wasted vote or a non-starter, so SNP was the protest vote of choice even for people not wanting independence. In England, I see it very much the same, with UKIP in place of SNP. Another poster who looks at a racist, homophobic UKIP party and thinks they are comparable with the SNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The SNP "surge" is largely based on being fairly competent in their performance at Holyrood. Certainly in comparison to the previous labour administrations who'd only aspirations were to implement Tony Blair's "Radical" agenda. SNP are largely trusted by people who were sceptical but now see them as serious politicians that do actually know their arse from their elbow. The UKIP "Surge" is based on not being labour, liberal or conservative. Once people realise what their policies are and look at their actual record in local government and Brussels this might happen The UKIP surge is purely based on their racist views on immigration. It taps into the English anti-foreigner mindset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 It's only relevant to Scotland because we need to understand why we are not seeing this UKIP surge here. Only the SNP are stopping it by being a party who are clearly seen to be fighting for our country tooth and nail. That's why UKIP have no voice here. The SNP are getting it. That needs to continue. Sorry? Did you forget this? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-first-scottish-seat-european-elections The SNP and Labour battle splitting Scottish "Socialist" votes is the single biggest threat to allowing UKIP to take a number of Scottish seats in the General Election. It's also the case that for the SNP to be effective in a Westminster Government the party will have to forge alliances and as we learned from the Hydro rally the SNP are looking to form a "progressive alliance" with the likes of the Greens, Plaid Cymru and Sinn Fein - all of whom would be more likely to form a coalition government with the Labour Party. Scots would be better not wasting their vote on the SNP in the General Election. If you don't want a Conservative Government vote Labour, if you don't want a Labour government vote Conservative - otherwise you will simply land up feeling sold out by your party leaders as the Lib Dems felt after the last General Election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Severin Carroll, LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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