Gordon Urquhart Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Starts tonight at 9pm on BBC1 Scotland. Looks good, maybe we can find out where we went wrong..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, Gordon Urquhart said: Starts tonight at 9pm on BBC1 Scotland. Looks good, maybe we can find out where we went wrong..... We didn't give enough money to the Old Firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 13 minutes ago, Gordon Urquhart said: Starts tonight at 9pm on BBC1 Scotland. Looks good, maybe we can find out where we went wrong..... Oh that's easy. Voting the SPL into being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said: Oh that's easy. Voting the SPL into being. If they are serious about getting to the bottom of our decline then that is a good place to start. Is it just coincidence that 1998 was the last time Scotland made it to a major finals and also the same year the SPL came into being? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Urquhart Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Very enjoyable but surprised at lack of mention of national team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 It's good to be reminded of the stuff that went on but there was nothing new in there. Whether teams should have merged or not is a topic for another day I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 No time to mention the Scottish national team when they have to cover Rangers and Celtic. Glad they spent 3 minutes on Dundee United and Aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Read the interview with John Robertson and the first Edinburgh derby after Mercer's failed merger attempt. Unbelievable that the plod went into the Hearts dressing room to plead with their players not to score again to avert a full scale riot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 As Stuart says, nothing new. Very formulaic stuff, with the same old faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 hours ago, scottd said: If they are serious about getting to the bottom of our decline then that is a good place to start. Is it just coincidence that 1998 was the last time Scotland made it to a major finals and also the same year the SPL came into being? Whilst the two are correlated that doesnt prove causality. The disastrous impact of TV money came at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Not seen it yet. Was anyone brave enough to confirm what everyone knew at the time (even The Daily Ranger) but are afraid to now say? That Rangers cheated, was liquidated, died and that a new club, Sevco, had the rules bent so it could join the lowest league and then change its name to something resembling The Rangers? Was there any hint of such honesty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, Drew said: As Stuart says, nothing new. Very formulaic stuff, with the same old faeces. FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 As Stuart says, nothing new. Very formulaic stuff, with the same old faces. TBF, the party tunes in the ibrox dressing room was news to me.Roughly 30 years the beeb have had and not shown that footage? At least Butcher was ashamed of his own behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 56 minutes ago, antrin said: Not seen it yet. Was anyone brave enough to confirm what everyone knew at the time (even The Daily Ranger) but are afraid to now say? That Rangers cheated, was liquidated, died and that a new club, Sevco, had the rules bent so it could join the lowest league and then change its name to something resembling The Rangers? Was there any hint of such honesty? Next programme maybe. They are covering Craig Whyte and Brooks Mileston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 33 minutes ago, tony soprano said: TBF, the party tunes in the ibrox dressing room was news to me. Roughly 30 years the beeb have had and not shown that footage? At least Butcher was ashamed of his own behaviour. Surely that wasn't news to you Tony. The Rangers players used to line up on the pitch after every one of their 9 in a row to join in with the "party songs". It's not much of an extension to believe that the same would have been going on in the dressing room. Scottish society though owes a debt of gratitude to Souness and Johnston though. That was a turning point, no question at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Same old guff. Optimistically somehow expected better, but I'm afraid Weetabix heid, Spiers and the rest basically fired off the usual cliched baws. Cosgrove, as usual stands out as being that bit more cerebral and offers a decent take. You are limited though,,what sells here, it's the great Glasca rivalry, so basically all else is just noise. An hour long listening to the same old gang, could have been over in ten minutes. Im annoyed cause I expected better, but frankly how could it have been , you have hee haw to work with, how stupid of me........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Forgot it was on. Didnae' watch. Let me guess.. 1. The Old Firm is all that matters. 2. The New Firm were decent for a while. 3. Souness and Murray kick-started the big money we couldnae' afford timebomb. 4. Scottish football is now a fcuked-in-the-head busted flush with one disproportionally large club and the national team is pish. 5. We're doomed. Am I close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Briefly mentioned Dundee United's UEFA Cup run, Mercer's doomed bid to buy Hibs and merge the Edinburgh teams and Fergus McCann rescuing Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Forgot it was on. Didnae' watch. Let me guess.. 1. The Old Firm is all that matters. 2. The New Firm were decent for a while. 3. Souness and Murray kick-started the big money we couldnae' afford timebomb. 4. Scottish football is now a fcuked-in-the-head busted flush with one disproportionally large club and the national team is pish. 5. We're doomed. Am I close? Not really. There was very little about Aberdeen at all. Dundee United featured quite a bit particularly because of how close they came to taking over Dundee. Hibs and Hearts also featured heavily because of Mercer and Duff. Celtic and Rangers were mostly in focus though. Rangers with their big signings and Celtic for wee Fergus McCann. Next week appears to be about the formation of the SPhell, Gretna and Craig Whyte. All potential sources of embarrassment for St Mirren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinbuddie Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Threw a wee bone to Aberdeen, the Edinburgh and Dundee clubs before getting into the stuff that matters for them - Rangers, Souness, Celtic, McCann, Rangers, Murray, Rangers and Celtic, Johnston, Rangers and Celtic, Thatcher, sectarianism blah blah fecking blah......... I found it a strange mixture, with no real introduction or context. I spent half the time wondering where the programme was going and what the point was. Could they not have called it Glasgow's Game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 8 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said: Next week appears to be about the formation of the SPhell, Gretna and Craig Whyte. All potential sources of embarrassment for St Mirren. Why? there will be no mention of St Mirren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffs Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 It was good to see Peter van Vossens miss again. I forgot how bad ir actually was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Why? there will be no mention of St Mirren. No I don't think there will be either. However St Mirren cast the decisive vote that brought the SPhell into being. Only St Mirren and Raith Rovers from outside the top league voted in favour of the new league. Gretna? Gilmour was vocal and proactive in selecting Gretna over Airdrie United and a number of other clubs like Annan at the time. And we really don't need to go back over the embarrassing episode of St Mirren trying desperately to keep Rangers in the top flight do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Who was that David Duff guy who was involved at Hibs? The extent of the background info on him seeing to be Stuart Cosgrove saying he'd no idea who he was. Thanks for that. Was interesting to hear the same section say Hearts and Hibs have city centre grounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinbuddie Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Do you think that St Mirren will be mentioned at all in this series? Surely, in our capacity of 'greatest club in the world' we deserve a mention. Although, in fairness, we've never been in Administration, we've never been liquidated, and we don't have a history of sectarianism. So, as a club, we're very much above the problems highlighted in last night's shambles of a programme, and probably future programmes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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