munoz Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Still an honest mistake surely? Bordering on cheating suggests a deliberate decision, think you're way off the mark there. Inept, poor, etc maybe. Maybe I need to see it again . Possibly it wasn't as blatant as everyone in the stadium barring the ref first thought . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 minute ago, munoz said: Maybe I need to see it again . Possibly it wasn't as blatant as everyone in the stadium barring the ref first thought . I doubt many in the St Mirren end, as it happened right in front of us, doubted it was a foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, faraway saint said: I doubt many in the St Mirren end, as it happened right in front of us, doubted it was a foul. The Utd fans on Pie and Bovril say they couldn't believe the goal stood . Good enough for me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, munoz said: The Utd fans on Pie and Bovril say they couldn't believe the goal stood . Good enough for me . I had Radio Scotland on the radio with earphones. They were slaughtering the referee. Absolutely laying into him for his decision - and a few others following the big one that cost us the opening goal. The guy was absolutely awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I don't see any paranoid "its an agenda" type posts here. I've watched it again on Divs periscope broadcast and it must go down as one of the worst refereeing decisions I have ever seen. Just cant understand how the ref or linesman could not have seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, pozbaird said: I had Radio Scotland on the radio with earphones. They were slaughtering the referee. Absolutely laying into him for his decision - and a few others following the big one that cost us the opening goal. The guy was absolutely awful. No arguments from me . We'll probably end up getting him for play off match . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, munoz said: No arguments from me . We'll probably end up getting him for play off match . They can get their tin-foil hats out for that one. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Saint Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Anyone who hasn't seen the goal can check it out on periscope https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vOGwvbzyVWKB The ref was behind the incident and possibly un-sighted. McKenzie may have impaired the linesman's view but thats still a pretty poor exuse for the officials. It happens about 10:50 mins into the broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Calder Saint Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 The simple fact is basic goalkeeping errors have cost us massively this season possibly around seven or eight points.You can look at Langfield's kick straight to the Dumbarton player from around four yards.Gallacher failing to catch the cross in injury time against Morton.O'Brien's kick straight to Hardie against Raith and yesterday picking up a back pass when he must have lost it momentarily.All basic errors of the highest order no matter how well you play you simply cannot continue with those very very basic errors without it costing you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, East Lothian Saint said: Anyone who hasn't seen the goal can check it out on periscope https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vOGwvbzyVWKB The ref was behind the incident and possibly un-sighted. McKenzie may have impaired the linesman's view but thats still a pretty poor exuse for the officials. It happens about 10:50 mins into the broadcast. Just watched it back again . Still think it's one of the worst bits of refereeing I've ever witnessed. The man is a kunt . On the plus side - Div's commentary made me laugh . Excellent . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Mid Calder Saint said: The simple fact is basic goalkeeping errors have cost us massively this season possibly around seven or eight points.You can look at Langfield's kick straight to the Dumbarton player from around four yards.Gallacher failing to catch the cross in injury time against Morton.O'Brien's kick straight to Hardie against Raith and yesterday picking up a back pass when he must have lost it momentarily.All basic errors of the highest order no matter how well you play you simply cannot continue with those very very basic errors without it costing you. What about his saves that have helped gain points ? Overlooked ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mid Calder Saint said: The simple fact is basic goalkeeping errors have cost us massively this season possibly around seven or eight points.You can look at Langfield's kick straight to the Dumbarton player from around four yards.Gallacher failing to catch the cross in injury time against Morton.O'Brien's kick straight to Hardie against Raith and yesterday picking up a back pass when he must have lost it momentarily.All basic errors of the highest order no matter how well you play you simply cannot continue with those very very basic errors without it costing you. Must admit I'm losing a wee bif of faith with Billy. He's costing us goals now and he's looking jittery which is not something we need right now. Every player makes mistakes like he did yesterday (and at Raith) but I don't think he commands his box well enough which is my big criticism. Look at the first Falkirk goal last week as an example. I want my keeper coming out and taking that high floated free kick. Instead Billy watches it sail into the box thinking it's going out, Falkirk player hooks it back across and they equalise. He got away with a couple in Greenock as well where he's flapped at crosses. He's young but if I'm being brutally honest I'd say if we had a better keeper we'd already be safe. For me he has become the weakest link. I don't think Jack would drop him though, and don't think Langfield is the answer anyway. We need to stick with Billy and hope he cuts out these daft mistakes because it's costing us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Must admit I'm losing a wee bif of faith with Billy. He's costing us goals now and he's looking jittery which is not something we need right now. Every player makes mistakes like he did yesterday (and at Raith) but I don't think he commands his box well enough which is my big criticism. Look at the first Falkirk goal last week as an example. I want my keeper coming out and taking that high floated free kick. Instead Billy watches it sail into the box thinking it's going out, Falkirk player hooks it back across and they equalise. He got away with a couple in Greenock as well where he's flapped at crosses. He's young but if I'm being brutally honest I'd say if we had a better keeper we'd already be safe. For me he has become the weakest link. I don't think Jack would drop him though, and don't think Langfield is the answer anyway. We need to stick with Billy and hope he cuts out these daft mistakes because it's costing us. Agree with that. As bad as he's been recently, I wouldn't drop him. He's still better than Langfield. Our first summer signing has to be an experienced keeper, no matter what league we are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, munoz said: What about his saves that have helped gain points ? Overlooked ? What about the referees decision that were correct, overlooked? It's reasonable to look at the referees mistake yet not our goalie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Kemp said: I don't see any paranoid "its an agenda" type posts here. I've watched it again on Divs periscope broadcast and it must go down as one of the worst refereeing decisions I have ever seen. Just cant understand how the ref or linesman could not have seen it. No? The referee deliberately cheated? The decision not to award us a free kick in the lead-up could be what relegates us? Anyone watching the game knows it... etc. If it isn't OF-esque paranoia, what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorizaar Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Referee decisions yesterday would have been irrelevant had Loy scored his penalty against Dumbarton or had the entire team showed up at Kirkcaldy last month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doonhamer Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Yup, Billy has made plenty of saves but his indecisiveness when dealing with crosses, poor distribution and basic mistakes like yesterday are not the hallmarks of a top class keeper. Just hope he gets some confidence back for the next two crucial matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 . .anyone remember E*die Sm*th Ironically, Smith's career in big-time football began to peter out after two controversial incidents in matches between Celtic and St Mirren in the space of five months in 2008. In February of that year he outraged then Saints boss Gus MacPherson with the award of a last-gasp free-kick from which Shunsuke Nakamura fired the winner to keep Gordon Strachan's side on track for a third successive title. Then, on flag day the following season, a furious MacPherson claimed Smith winked at him from the pitch after awarding Celtic a controversial matchwinning penalty and sending off St Mirren defender Will Haining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said: . .anyone remember E*die Sm*th Ironically, Smith's career in big-time football began to peter out after two controversial incidents in matches between Celtic and St Mirren in the space of five months in 2008. In February of that year he outraged then Saints boss Gus MacPherson with the award of a last-gasp free-kick from which Shunsuke Nakamura fired the winner to keep Gordon Strachan's side on track for a third successive title. Then, on flag day the following season, a furious MacPherson claimed Smith winked at him from the pitch after awarding Celtic a controversial matchwinning penalty and sending off St Mirren defender Will Haining. Aye, I remember him and both those incidents. I haven't noticed any Celtic comment on how things balance themselves out over the years in relation to the "penalty"/"diving" incident last w/e... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, antrin said: Aye, I remember him and both those incidents. I haven't noticed any Celtic comment on how things balance themselves out over the years in relation to the "penalty"/"diving" incident last w/e... The point being Bluto , is that at the time a large group of our support thought Sm*th was a Sellic fan , however the quote above came from a piece whereby he reported sellic in 2011 for sectarian chants at a Euro game . . so perhaps Sm*th was just shit and didnae like us rather than a Sellic fan. . What compounded the mishtake yesterday was the fact that he went on to book Mackenzie when Gary showed him the evidence. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Saint Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 We're not dead yet guys. we still have at Least 2 possibly 6 games left to save our Season. If we get to the playoffs every game won't just be a cup final it will be games against teams who see playing against ST Mirren as their cup final as well as a possible promotion bonanza. All these teams will up their game against us. Billy will have a big part to play and It is imperative he learns. Many more decisions will go against us and we will have to overcome setbacks but that's the lure of the beautiful game. True fans will moan about everything Blame everyone else Turn up week in week out COYS We're on our way how we'll get their I don't Know/care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) The referee was an absolute disgrace yesterday. We were well on top when he should have chopped the goal off. It was a foul and should never have stood. The timing of this had quite an influence and knocked us out of our stride for a while. I'm convinced we would have won the game had he made the correct call at this point. Have gave many dubious decisions against both teams. I also felt McKenzie was lucky to stay on the park. He shouldn't have been booked for dissent but he was involved in 2 aerial challenges after this, one in particular where he clearly lead with the arm. Knowing he was on a booking I think he could have easily walked for the 2nd one. I don't think the ref was a cheat in any way, he's just very poor at his job. Edited April 23, 2017 by davidg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 5 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: My point is before yesterdays game we know where we are in the league what went before is a total irrelevance why ? Because it can not be changed,. Now if yesterdays game finished 2-2 it could possible go to keeping us up.m The ref made a huge blunder not a mistake its feels like a form of cheating. Anyone at yesterdays game could not look at it another way. Surely using your logic then with 2 games to go, we know where we are and what has gone before cannot be changed (the referee yesterday)? O'Brien made a huge blunder to give them the indirect free kick for the second goal and he also picked up a back pass against Dumbarton and wasn't punished on that occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 hours ago, div said: Must admit I'm losing a wee bif of faith with Billy. He's costing us goals now and he's looking jittery which is not something we need right now. Every player makes mistakes like he did yesterday (and at Raith) but I don't think he commands his box well enough which is my big criticism. Look at the first Falkirk goal last week as an example. I want my keeper coming out and taking that high floated free kick. Instead Billy watches it sail into the box thinking it's going out, Falkirk player hooks it back across and they equalise. He got away with a couple in Greenock as well where he's flapped at crosses. He's young but if I'm being brutally honest I'd say if we had a better keeper we'd already be safe. For me he has become the weakest link. I don't think Jack would drop him though, and don't think Langfield is the answer anyway. We need to stick with Billy and hope he cuts out these daft mistakes because it's costing us. He seems to have moments in every game where he rides his luck either coming for crosses he can't possibly get or leaving ones he could, and he also seems to spill one or two shots in most matches just when you think he's done well and has everything under control. He's had a few very good games but also quite a few where he has got away with a few blunders and others where he has been punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I have no idea how the play off position works as in how many games we will have to play if it's us. Anyone in the know care to explain ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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