Sue Denim Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, bazil85 said: I referenced this, them not doing much testing means the true extent isn't known right now. You've shown many times you couldn't care less about excessive deaths as long as it protects the economy (which it may not have done in Sweden). View is Sweden hasn't peaked yet, there are issues in all countries with reporting so "died out" is certainly not the right expression. You often referenced Sweden as your justification to ignore people dying in this country as long as the economy was protected, they have now largely admitted they are wrong, where does that leave you? Sweden haven’t admitted they were wrong. And Norway have now come out to say they shouldn’t have locked down either. The lockdown you are supporting has killed 000s in the U.K., killing millions worldwide and has saved no-one. Blood on your hands baz, blood in your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, faraway saint said: The ECDC, as Sue pointed out, only showed the number of cases had risen DUE to an increase in testing as the most likely reason. They didn't show the headline, not past their peak. Who are these economists? I'm no economist but I'll go on record saying a lockdown WOULD have had a major impact on the Swedish economy, as the figures for the UK showed today, down over 20%. If you honestly believe that well, there's no words. You said it... You are no economist. Of course Sweden would have and has taken a financial, hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: You said it... You are no economist. Of course Sweden would have and has taken a financial, hit. But Bazil believes a lockdown wouldn't have made it much worse? I said it WOULD, Are you ok, getting more mixed up by the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Must be the weekend, Andy's got his Internet access back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Norway health chief says coronavirus crisis could have been avoided without a lockdown I wonder what brand of tin foil her hat is made of? 😂 https://www.theweek.co.uk/107093/norweigian-health-chief-coronavirus-no-lockdown-sweden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 NHS waiting list to hit 10 million this year but who cares, eh? @bazil85 @TPAFKATS shame on you https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52984742 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Schools reopening has not triggered rise in infections in the EU Lefty UK teachers want to enjoy their full pay lockdown holiday for a few months more though https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: Schools reopening has not triggered rise in infections in the EU Lefty UK teachers want to enjoy their full pay lockdown holiday for a few months more though https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19 the headline sounds wonderful but "Blazenka Divjak, Croatian education minister, speaking in a press conference at the end of the meeting of ministers, said the lack of significant increase in cases or any other negative impact should also be seen in the context of the special measures taken to make schools as safe as possible. She said: “What has been emphasised very strongly is that these schools [have] very highly guarded conditions like smaller groups than in normal classes, usually groups of around 15 and … very close cooperation with health ministries and epidemiological services on a national level to provide schools and teachers and parents with very detailed recommendations on how to deal with the new situation. “So far we haven’t heard anything negative about the reopening of schools but it is probably too early to have final conclusions on that.” The article also says that the vast majority of the schools have been open(in this very limited way) for only a fortnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 I haven’t changed my mind says Sweden’s science chief oh dear, @bazil85 gets it wrong yet again 😂 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/06/sometimes-feel-like-punchbag-architect-swedens-virus-model-another/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: I haven’t changed my mind says Sweden’s science chief oh dear, @bazil85 gets it wrong yet again 😂 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/06/sometimes-feel-like-punchbag-architect-swedens-virus-model-another/ What's this argument all about? Sweden took a different path. A bit more like Brazil. Right or wrong that's what they chose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 15 hours ago, smcc said: the headline sounds wonderful but "Blazenka Divjak, Croatian education minister, speaking in a press conference at the end of the meeting of ministers, said the lack of significant increase in cases or any other negative impact should also be seen in the context of the special measures taken to make schools as safe as possible. She said: “What has been emphasised very strongly is that these schools [have] very highly guarded conditions like smaller groups than in normal classes, usually groups of around 15 and … very close cooperation with health ministries and epidemiological services on a national level to provide schools and teachers and parents with very detailed recommendations on how to deal with the new situation. “So far we haven’t heard anything negative about the reopening of schools but it is probably too early to have final conclusions on that.” The article also says that the vast majority of the schools have been open(in this very limited way) for only a fortnight. As you'll be aware schools have been open throughout this for kids with parents who are key workers. So far, in this area, there's been no positive cases of the virus. I'm, pleasantly, surprised as these kids have parents who could be seen as very high on the list to catch the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 That is good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, faraway saint said: As you'll be aware schools have been open throughout this for kids with parents who are key workers. So far, in this area, there's been no positive cases of the virus. I'm, pleasantly, surprised as these kids have parents who could be seen as very high on the list to catch the virus. I know a few people who have been supervising the hubs and the number of pupils in these hubs hasn't risen above single figures, for the most part. It was usually four of five pupils at the most. Although, as people have started to go back to work over the past couple of weeks, the numbers have certainly been increasing. Social distancing has been easy to implement in the hubs. Might be different for other local authorities though. Edited June 13, 2020 by FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 25,000 sick and elderly patients thrown out of hospitals and Covid seeded into care homes as part of the Tory police state lockdown policy supported by @bazil85 and @TPAFKATS Lockdown has killed tens of 000s in the U.K. and will kill millions worldwide. Time to end it. https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Readying-the-NHS-and-adult-social-care-in-England-for-COVID-19.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 The lost Marchhttps://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/01/the-lost-march-how-the-uk-governments-covid-19-strategy-fell-apart/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) On 6/10/2020 at 8:06 AM, St.Ricky said: Thinking and the Wee Man is very much unlikely. However, some people will return as ducks to water and others more cautiously like the Wee man using soap to wash monthly. Even if he doesn't need it. God knows I'm no fan of faraway, but, give it a feckin' rest you sad, tiny minded troll. Edited June 13, 2020 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, stlucifer said: God knows I'm no fan of faraway, but, give it a feckin' rest you sad, tiny minded troll. Ask nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: The lost March https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/01/the-lost-march-how-the-uk-governments-covid-19-strategy-fell-apart/ A couple of great quotes in there. Quote The science of prediction, especially when it comes to something so novel, is inexact, full of pitfalls. It is building a house of cards on quicksand. Quote This Government didn’t “follow the science”. It cornered the science. Bullied it into sounding certain, on a subject with no certainty. We deserve the honesty of scientific doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 As you'll be aware schools have been open throughout this for kids with parents who are key workers. So far, in this area, there's been no positive cases of the virus. I'm, pleasantly, surprised as these kids have parents who could be seen as very high on the list to catch the virus. Need to bear in mind that under 10% of those eligible to attend school have been and it representsjust 1% of normal school roles, numbers are pitiful in most areas. But yes no news of any positive tests in the few attending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 This, or similar, currently doing the rounds on Facebook. My garden is a safe zone.We can sit 2 metres apart♥️ Face masks not required unless you need/want to. I always have coffee, tea, cold drink 🥤 You are welcome to bring a bottle 🤣. (Hate making t or coffee as many of u will know so it’s advised you bring your own bottle 🤪.My table is non-judgmental. Any family or friend who needs to chat are always welcome. We can talk, share a laugh, or just listen. If you're hungry, I'll feed you. I will always do my best to be available... you are always welcome!! This is a value that has been lost... I'm hoping, at least one friend copies this and posts it 😘 xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said: 3 hours ago, faraway saint said: As you'll be aware schools have been open throughout this for kids with parents who are key workers. So far, in this area, there's been no positive cases of the virus. I'm, pleasantly, surprised as these kids have parents who could be seen as very high on the list to catch the virus. Need to bear in mind that under 10% of those eligible to attend school have been and it representsjust 1% of normal school roles, numbers are pitiful in most areas. But yes no news of any positive tests in the few attending. Are there reasons why such a small number who were eligible to attend did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Ask nicely. That was me asking nicely you insignificant nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Just now, stlucifer said: That was me asking nicely you insignificant nobody. You do make me smile. Not quite laugh, but definitely smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 25,000 sick and elderly patients thrown out of hospitals and Covid seeded into care homes as part of the Tory police state lockdown policy supported by [mention=8643]bazil85[/mention] and [mention=536]TPAFKATS[/mention] Lockdown has killed tens of 000s in the U.K. and will kill millions worldwide. Time to end it. https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Readying-the-NHS-and-adult-social-care-in-England-for-COVID-19.pdf What sicknesses were these elderly patients suffering from? It wouldn't be the ones ehhhhh that the care homes were established to care for.And would that be 10,000 less than were discharged last year over the same time period? Sort of makes your figures look like they've been written by a #thichasfcuk person.The gift that keeps on giving. [emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: What sicknesses were these elderly patients suffering from? It wouldn't be the ones ehhhhh that the care homes were established to care for. And would that be 10,000 less than were discharged last year over the same time period? Sort of makes your figures look like they've been written by a #thichasfcuk person. The gift that keeps on giving. It's a pity that you are not able to carry out your argument without resorting to name calling. The points you both raise are interesting and worth debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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