Lord Pityme Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Said it even before his appointment that Ross was wrong for us, when we needed experience to win ugly and stabilise we got a rookie who has only been relegated. Rae had us playing some dire stuff in his six games this season, but i bet we would not be sitting where we are currently if he was still in charge. the decision to appoint Ross will cost the club hundreds if thousands of pounds unless he can get wins now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Rae had us playing some dire stuff in his six games this season, but i bet we would not be sitting where we are currently if he was still in charge. Aye, we'd be relegated already. You're living in a fantasy world. He was abysmal, and had to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan4ever Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 12 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: I don't think Jack Ross brought on Clarkston... I know he did. Managers prerogative and a decision I'm sure he made with good intent. Do you think he intentionally fcuked things up? I agree it is the managers choice I also agree Clarkson did not intentionally play crap but at 31 I think he should be good enough to play with st mirren there is no development left whereas I think callum gallacher at 22 still had one or 2 years to develop his game. I would get rid of Clarkson. I think Jack Ross should have brought on a more defending player yesterday at that stage in the game. Just my thoughts tho. First time I have been critical of Jack since his appointment. I don't think it was the best I have seen us play in recent weeks at home. Morton always looked like they had more players on the park there movement was better than hours especially in mid field. Had way to much space. Hopefully back assesses this this week at training a big game Saturday. Infact all games are big now oh and Mr trump if you would like to invest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Drew said: Aye, we'd be relegated already. You're living in a fantasy world. He was abysmal, and had to go. IMHO, if this current team was being managed by Ross, Rae, Murray, Teale, Craig, Lennon or MacPherson - they'd be exactly where they are right now. Staring at the third tier of Scottish football. The decline that sees us teetering on the drop is a long and slow decline overseen by a want-away bard of directors when they put the for sale sign up. That's our last seven managers listed there - none of them have / had a magic wand that can arrest our decline as a club. Each of them will have / have had their merits, and each of them will have / have had their weaknesses. All of them share some responsibility for our decline, but I have some sympathy for the situation all of them found themselves in - a club rotten at the top. Edited January 1, 2017 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrie82 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 We require four new players of starting 11 quality if we are to have any chance. Yes we play better under jack and it's pleasing but we are crucially not winning football matches. Two wins is relegation material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Drew said: Aye, we'd be relegated already. You're living in a fantasy world. He was abysmal, and had to go. IMHO, if this current team was being managed by Ross, Rae, Murray, Teale, Craig, Lennon or MacPherson - they'd be exactly where they are right now. Staring at the third tier of Scottish football. The decline that sees us teetering on the drop is a long and slow decline overseen by a want-away board of directors when they put the for sale signs up. That's our last seven managers listed there - none of them have had a magic wand that could arrest our decline as a club. Each of them will have / have had their merits, and each of them will have / have had their weaknesses. All of them share some responsibility for our decline, but I have some sympathy for the situation all of them found themselves in - a club rotten at the top. Edited January 1, 2017 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, cockles1987 said: Ffs, poz. We heard you the first time Oh, OK, sorry. Under Jack Ross we will win our next five league games, and with four of them being against sides 'in and around' us, we will be just fine. KTF. Better? I always post better after a Snickers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Fecking iPad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class of 76-77 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: Said it even before his appointment that Ross was wrong for us, when we needed experience to win ugly and stabilise we got a rookie who has only been relegated. Rae had us playing some dire stuff in his six games this season, but i bet we would not be sitting where we are currently if he was still in charge. the decision to appoint Ross will cost the club hundreds if thousands of pounds unless he can get wins now. You said Rae had us playing some dire stuff ? Can I correct you there. Rae had no idea how to set up the team to play anything other than hoof ball, and make no mistake about it the current squad are still suffering the after affects of the little bald dinasours anti-football. Of all the recent appointments he has was by far the most damaging appointment. Edited January 1, 2017 by class of 76-77 Personal data disclosed by my phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 When Rae came in last season he made is hard (or certainly harder) to beat. We picked up enough points to be comfortably above the relegation spots last season. What was inexplicable though, was when he had the chance to build his own team he signed appallingly, worse than even Murray managed. Add to that he had little or no interest in trying to bring on youth players. Ross has the dismal, lopsided squad to work with. He's already got rid of two loanees who looked disinterested, and Kyle Hutton - who is a contender for the worst player I've ever seen in a Saints jersey - and replaced them with a couple of hungry young players who have given 100% in every game. For me that in itself is night and day between the two managers. It would be difficult to judge Ross until he has had what Rae had, two transfer windows. I realise come the second of these windows we might already be relegated, but there has been signs of improvement since he came in and we can't keep changing managers, because it's getting us nowhere. Should we go down, I reckon Ross is the right man to bring us back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 You said Rae had us playing some dire stuff ? Can I correct you there. Rae had no idea how to set up the team to play anything other than hoof ball, and make no mistake about it the current squad are still suffering the after affects of the little bald dinasours anti-football. Of all the recent appointments he has was by far the most damaging appointment. Tried to give you 10 Likes for that but it would not let me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 We urnae going down. We will finish at least eighth. Ross will continue to make us better. And we'll fecking bury Morton the next time we play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, class of 76-77 said: You said Rae had us playing some dire stuff ? Can I correct you there. Rae had no idea how to set up the team to play anything other than hoof ball, and make no mistake about it the current squad are still suffering the after affects of the little bald dinasours anti-football. Of all the recent appointments he has was by far the most damaging appointment. 1 hour ago, Drew said: Aye, we'd be relegated already. You're living in a fantasy world. He was abysmal, and had to go. Strange then as he and Ross were appointed at the same time, at their respective clubs last season one got their team relegated, and one stabilised and manage their charges to safety. But for reasons best known to the board we sack the one with a track record of succesful management and replace him with the rookie who just got relegated??? you dont have to be any sort of expert to see the flaw in that recruitment process, if you are going to the expense, upheaval and gamble of replacing a management team surely the major requirement among potential candidates is to select someone who can evidence being better in experience, achievements etc than the team you are sacking? is it just me, or isn't that just bleedin obvious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Lord Pityme said: Strange then as he and Ross were appointed at the same time, at their respective clubs last season one got their team relegated, and one stabilised and manage their charges to safety. But for reasons best known to the board we sack the one with a track record of succesful management and replace him with the rookie who just got relegated??? you dont have to be any sort of expert to see the flaw in that recruitment process, if you are going to the expense, upheaval and gamble of replacing a management team surely the major requirement among potential candidates is to select someone who can evidence being better in experience, achievements etc than the team you are sacking? is it just me, or isn't that just bleedin obvious? Its just you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 28 minutes ago, class of 76-77 said: You said Rae had us playing some dire stuff ? Can I correct you there. Rae had no idea how to set up the team to play anything other than hoof ball, and make no mistake about it the current squad are still suffering the after affects of the little bald dinasours anti-football. Of all the recent appointments he has was by far the most damaging appointment. You might want to edit my post you quoted with all the personal detail on it bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, Drew said: Its just you. Ah, so,you should only recruit worse than, instead of better than present/previous incumbents? Board get an A plus for that then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Lord Pityme said: Strange then as he and Ross were appointed at the same time, at their respective clubs last season one got their team relegated, and one stabilised and manage their charges to safety. But for reasons best known to the board we sack the one with a track record of succesful management and replace him with the rookie who just got relegated??? you dont have to be any sort of expert to see the flaw in that recruitment process, if you are going to the expense, upheaval and gamble of replacing a management team surely the major requirement among potential candidates is to select someone who can evidence being better in experience, achievements etc than the team you are sacking? is it just me, or isn't that just bleedin obvious? It's just you. Rae's team was abysmal this season whereas Ross had Alloa playing well. Short termism has been killing this club, especially from the last board, time for a manager to be given a good run at it. Speaking personally I am now looking forward to games as I know we have a manager who is trying to get us to play entertaining football, such a concept was foreign to Alex Rae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: You might want to edit my post you quoted with all the personal detail on it bud. I was going to give Jim a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Ah, so,you should only recruit worse than, instead of better than present/previous incumbents? Board get an A plus for that then. It's not really a fair comparison. Alloa would have had about the lowest wage budget in the league, possibly the smallest squad, and were part time. Rae came into a club who had just been relegated from the Premier League, have first class training facilities, and had some available money to add to the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Pityme Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, houston_bud said: It's not really a fair comparison. Alloa would have had about the lowest wage budget in the league, possibly the smallest squad, and were part time. Rae came into a club who had just been relegated from the Premier League, have first class training facilities, and had some available money to add to the squad. If that is the arguement? then why cant Ross, who has much more time than Rae did with a squad not of his chosing either, at least replicate what his predessecor did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: If that is the arguement? then why cant Ross, who has much more time than Rae did with a squad not of his chosing either, at least replicate what his predessecor did? Still plenty of time for Ross to replicate Rae's awful style of play. Ross is here to stay regardless of whether we are relegated or not. Tis a long term project. Edited January 1, 2017 by scottd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, Lord Pityme said: If that is the arguement? then why cant Ross, who has much more time than Rae did with a squad not of his chosing either, at least replicate what his predessecor did? I don't know if it's the argument, but it's how I see it. I also think that the squad that Rae inherited had much more balance, and also experience, than the one he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, scottd said: It's just you. Rae's team was abysmal this season whereas Ross had Alloa playing well. Short termism has been killing this club, especially from the last board, time for a manager to be given a good run at it. Speaking personally I am now looking forward to games as I know we have a manager who is trying to get us to play entertaining football, such a concept was foreign to Alex Rae. Totally agree on the short termism point, that makes the decision to sack Rae after only six league games, three draws and a bundle of cup wins seem so senseless? I think it was purely down to ego, and the chairman wanting his own pick. Trouble is though it will be the fans picking up the bill yet again for the board's folly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, houston_bud said: I don't know if it's the argument, but it's how I see it. I also think that the squad that Rae inherited had much more balance, and also experience, than the one he left. Really? With the likes of Gow and Thommo who was past his best before date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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