faraway saint Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MWISAINT71 said: What is the story with time added on because of VAR? I'm assuming it should be added on, so with that said I reckon the actual PK incident happen in the 85th minute but the 2nd PK wasn't scored until the 93rd, plus any normal added on time. I think she stopped the game 5 minutes approximately too early IMO, only if it is added on of course. I think last nights referee has made the use of VAR seem very poor. I thought she looked very robotic and incapable of keeping on top of the situation. She certainly messed up on the additional time. Argentina should be more annoyed about this as they could have won the game and qualified. Edited June 20, 2019 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, faraway saint said: I think last nights referee has made the use of VAR seem very poor. I thought she looked very robotic and incapable of keeping on top of the situation. She certainly messed up on the additional time. Argentina should be more annoyed about this as they could have won the game and qualified. Scotland could have also won and qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWISAINT71 Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, faraway saint said: I think last nights referee has made the use of VAR seem very poor. I thought she looked very robotic and incapable of keeping on top of the situation. She certainly messed up on the additional time. Argentina should be more annoyed about this as they could have won the game and qualified. I agree. I actually never seen their 1st goal but were Scotland making a sub but she allowed them to take a free kick as the girl was running on? I have a horrible feeling that VAR will make matters worse for smaller teams / nations like ourselves and will favour the bigger teams like they do just now but more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, munoz said: Scotland could have also won and qualified. Aye, I know but, in case it passed you by, we had collapsed at that stage and Argentina looked more likely IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gosport Buddie Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 https://t.co/Yv6MJDMmMM Appears how VAR is used is up to whichever Association is in charge of a specific tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 11 hours ago, djchapsticks said: Going by last World Cup? Going by every time I've seen it? Any big VAR decision took several minutes on average - yes I agree tonight was extreme but then the rule has to be put in place as these things do happen... even a run of the mill VAR check causes significant enough delays in games (and sometimes multiple times per match) to justify that the system is not at all efficient, so the clock needs to be stopped. 11 hours ago, faraway saint said: Ok, I'm out, you're obviously suffering from Bazil syndrome. See ya.............. No point trying to debate him, he refuses to accept that people are allowed other opinions and can’t comprehend knowing the benefits but not thinking they are enough to introduce VAR. I’m surprised he has anyone left not on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 Free flowing football..................... VAR-only incidents 35 seconds On-field incidents 68 seconds All combined incidents 20 seconds Average time lost per game 55 seconds But here's the thing: the average time lost to VAR is 55 seconds, a small dent on game time in comparison with: Free-kicks - 8m 51s Throw-ins - 7m 2s Goal-kicks - 5m 46s Corners - 3m 57s Subs - 2m 57s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Free flowing football..................... VAR-only incidents 35 seconds On-field incidents 68 seconds All combined incidents 20 seconds Average time lost per game 55 seconds But here's the thing: the average time lost to VAR is 55 seconds, a small dent on game time in comparison with: Free-kicks - 8m 51s Throw-ins - 7m 2s Goal-kicks - 5m 46s Corners - 3m 57s Subs - 2m 57s As people can see, still not able to grasp that people can appreciate the benefits but still don’t think it’s good for the game. Complete refusal to entertain the rights of people to have a different opinion from him. For me VAR only holding up some games for long periods of time is too much. I categorically know it doesn’t hold up every single game. Don’t let that get in the way of a good story though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 On 5/28/2019 at 3:32 PM, bazil85 said: The argument isn’t specifically based on that. It’s based on it slowing down the beautiful game and it not being reliable in eliminating controversy. They aren’t stand alone points it’s an accurate observation in we’ll get some calls for and some calls against. Bottom line is ends justifying the means. Do I think costing us the free flowing nature of football that separates us from a lot of other sports justifies some (not all) more correct decisions. Not by a long shot. 15 minutes ago, bazil85 said: As people can see, still not able to grasp that people can appreciate the benefits but still don’t think it’s good for the game. Complete refusal to entertain the rights of people to have a different opinion from him. For me VAR only holding up some games for long periods of time is too much. I categorically know it doesn’t hold up every single game. Don’t let that get in the way of a good story though. Beep beep beep...................stand back, reversing. Pop, back in my pocket and back onto ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Ayrshire Saints said: Under last nights VAR usage I doubt one singly Hladky pen save would have stood - all would have been retaken although do VAR look at keepers movement in pen shootouts ??? How about Joe Jordans handball v Wales, Englands WC Win, Maradona so on ........................... Fact is 3-0 up with 16 mins to go should win- Kerr should resign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWISAINT71 Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, DougJamie said: How about Joe Jordans handball v Wales, Englands WC Win, Maradona so on ........................... Fact is 3-0 up with 16 mins to go should win- Kerr should resign Exactly the bigger teams getting the decisions, but I do agree you shouldn't lose a 3 goal lead with 16 to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Gosport Buddie said: https://t.co/Yv6MJDMmMM Appears how VAR is used is up to whichever Association is in charge of a specific tournament That's good news (VARs in Premier League will not order penalty re-take if goalkeeper comes off line next season) and FIFA would be wise to a have a rethink and follow suit after this shite. Penalties are dead ball situations that can easily be officiated between the ref and assistant on the line. Only egregious examples should be penalised unless they want penalties and particularly penalty shoot outs to become an absolute farce. VAR is an excellent tool for referrees to use, but they are in grave danger of spoliing that by cluelessly implementing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 20 hours ago, faraway saint said: Beep beep beep...................stand back, reversing. Pop, back in my pocket and back onto ignore. Oh she’s back & doing some more clutching. VAR isn’t for me just about slowing down the game, as I’ve said before I also feel on occasions it just moves the controversy. but giving slowing down the games was the specific point we were talking about, that’s what I commented on. Another good effort but yet another fail on your part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 20 hours ago, Dirty Sanchez said: That's good news (VARs in Premier League will not order penalty re-take if goalkeeper comes off line next season) and FIFA would be wise to a have a rethink and follow suit after this shite. Penalties are dead ball situations that can easily be officiated between the ref and assistant on the line. Only egregious examples should be penalised unless they want penalties and particularly penalty shoot outs to become an absolute farce. VAR is an excellent tool for referrees to use, but they are in grave danger of spoliing that by cluelessly implementing it. This is another reason why VAR can get in the sea IMO. Where do we draw the line? Why is VAR not policing that, it’s a clear game changing call & that’s the rule, if the rule is wrong, change the rule. VAR is a slippery slope regarding what decisions are checked & what aren’t & can easily lead to a complete review of every single decision. Don’t believe me, look at other games that use video technology, best comparisons probably American football & rugby. every decision is scrutinised & those games pale to football because of the free flowing nature of the game. People can say it’ll only be ‘match changing decisions’ but this announcement proves that’s not definitely going to be the case. We’re in real danger of losing the beautiful game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 On 6/21/2019 at 8:32 AM, bazil85 said: VAR is a slippery slope regarding what decisions are checked & what aren’t & can easily lead to a complete review of every single decision. Don’t believe me, look at other games that use video technology, best comparisons probably American football... Long story short; that's not correct at all about American football, where video review is strictly limited to certain situations. I'm not that impressed with how football has started using video, but the hope is that they iron it out over time,and improve it until it's fully fit for purpose. It's only a slippery slope if they don't properly subscribe to that. American football, e.g., is 40 years ahead of us and they've been through the full cycle that we're only at the start of. They tested it years before it was introduced, and faced all the same hostility that we're now seeing in football regarding its introduction. They had mixed results and further hostility when it was brought in, and actually ditched it for a number of years, until a high profile refereeing f**k up, that cost lots of people their jobs, was the impetus to bring it back. They've proactively knocked all the rough edges off it, helped by improved technology and it's now fully accepted. I'd hope that's where football is heading with this. In other news, I think the scrutiny of VAR is shining a light on the ropey nature of some of the laws of the game that need addressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 6:56 PM, Dirty Sanchez said: Long story short; that's not correct at all about American football, where video review is strictly limited to certain situations. I'm not that impressed with how football has started using video, but the hope is that they iron it out over time,and improve it until it's fully fit for purpose. It's only a slippery slope if they don't properly subscribe to that. American football, e.g., is 40 years ahead of us and they've been through the full cycle that we're only at the start of. They tested it years before it was introduced, and faced all the same hostility that we're now seeing in football regarding its introduction. They had mixed results and further hostility when it was brought in, and actually ditched it for a number of years, until a high profile refereeing f**k up, that cost lots of people their jobs, was the impetus to bring it back. They've proactively knocked all the rough edges off it, helped by improved technology and it's now fully accepted. I'd hope that's where football is heading with this. In other news, I think the scrutiny of VAR is shining a light on the ropey nature of some of the laws of the game that need addressing. I can’t really think of any circumstances in American football where a decision has just been left to a ref. Not a big fan of the sport though granted, for the reasons I’ve quoted i’ll be bitterly disappointed if football is in the same position American football is now at any time in the future. It would have completely taken away what stands our sport above others. But as I have said all along it’s just my opinion. I know the positives of VAR, they’re just not even close to enough for me to want to have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 I got to page 3 of this thread and felt compelled to fast forward to the last page to simply say........what a mind numbingly boring pile of complete and utter horseshit. That is all. Ayethengyou! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 11:07 AM, faraway saint said: Free flowing football..................... VAR-only incidents 35 seconds On-field incidents 68 seconds All combined incidents 20 seconds Average time lost per game 55 seconds But here's the thing: the average time lost to VAR is 55 seconds, a small dent on game time in comparison with: Free-kicks - 8m 51s Throw-ins - 7m 2s Goal-kicks - 5m 46s Corners - 3m 57s Subs - 2m 57s You could also add the time lost restarting a match after a goal is scored. All of the above drives me insane at a match (yes, a real live match). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 9:45 PM, bazil85 said: I can’t really think of any circumstances in American football where a decision has just been left to a ref. Not a big fan of the sport though granted, for the reasons I’ve quoted i’ll be bitterly disappointed if football is in the same position American football is now at any time in the future. It would have completely taken away what stands our sport above others. But as I have said all along it’s just my opinion. I know the positives of VAR, they’re just not even close to enough for me to want to have it. Most of the game is left to the refs. Only scoring plays and turnovers (i.e. game changers) are automatically reviewed, and you won't see or hear about them unless something is wrong. The only other reviews come from coaches challenges, plus booth reviews in the last 2 mins of each half. Together these averaged at fewer than one per team per game last year because it's counterproductive to challenge frivolously. Most things are either non-reviewable by rule, or not worthy of a challenge. They didn't arrive at this overnight. I'd be bitterly disappointed if the cack handed stuff we are seeing at this World Cup was the finished article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Dirty Sanchez said: Most of the game is left to the refs. Only scoring plays and turnovers (i.e. game changers) are automatically reviewed, and you won't see or hear about them unless something is wrong. The only other reviews come from coaches challenges, plus booth reviews in the last 2 mins of each half. Together these averaged at fewer than one per team per game last year because it's counterproductive to challenge frivolously. Most things are either non-reviewable by rule, or not worthy of a challenge. They didn't arrive at this overnight. I'd be bitterly disappointed if the cack handed stuff we are seeing at this World Cup was the finished article. All that is horrific, much worse than what we see now, if that’s the way football goes it’ll be a no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50196446 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Bad bad bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 VAR might just possibly, mibbe, deny sevco getting 4 fraud penalties in every match, potentially... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, antrin said: VAR might just possibly, mibbe, deny sevco getting 4 fraud penalties in every match, potentially... When the idea of Var came out I thought what a great idea. After watching English premiership highlights on a Sunday night its clear to see controversial decisions dont go away. Would like to see a poll of English premiership fans on what they think of VAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 27 minutes ago, antrin said: VAR might just possibly, mibbe, deny sevco getting 4 fraud penalties in every match, potentially... Not if the VAR refs are as Masonic as the ones on the pitch. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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