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20 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Simply not true. First season after promotion for practically any team (few exceptions), survival is the key. We did that. This season we’ve had a better start in the league than last season. We’re progressing year on year. Slow and steady. 

Yes it’s hard right now & we need to improve but we don’t need to be pushing the panic buttons. 

Just because we gained more points doesn’t necessarily mean we are better. It doesn’t stop the fact that we were bottom after the first round of games. There is no cannon fodder akin to that of ourselves, Accies and Dundee from last season. With Hibs and Hearts likely to pull away in the next few games, we will be left adrift. If we are lucky, the Fakes won’t get any better, and hopefully Accies or County can be kept down. But it doesn’t look like the same battle as last season, and as a result we need to be targeting 35+ points. If things don’t improve soon we aren’t going to be getting anywhere near that, and we haven’t got a Dundee this time around to bail us out.

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Stop debating the past. Out current managerwill come good. Over the past few days I have been watching various wolves games. Santos job was under threat before Christmas last year. I can remember looking at him on the sideline and thinking I hope he can enjoy christmas. Now look at wolves in Europe and doing well and Santos has full backing of fans. So give Goody time

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5 minutes ago, fan4ever said:

Stop debating the past. Out current managerwill come good. Over the past few days I have been watching various wolves games. Santos job was under threat before Christmas last year. I can remember looking at him on the sideline and thinking I hope he can enjoy christmas. Now look at wolves in Europe and doing well and Santos has full backing of fans. So give Goody time

Dundee supporters said the same thing last season, how did that work out? 

For every Wolves theirs 2 or 3 teams that get relegated.

Wolves bear no relevance to our situation. 

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3 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

We made no pre-contract signings, even after safety was guaranteed. That says to me we weren’t really chasing OK’s targets at all, as surely we’d have been able to snap up at lea at one or two before pre-season began?

About a week before they had their massive fall out GLS and Kearney both gave interview to STV on the same day. If memory serves me correctly Kearney spoke about his top targets being Popescu, Muzek, Hodson and Dreyer and said he hoped we'd get at least some of them back again this season. None of them re-signed and we didn't make serious offers for any of them. We did however land Gordon Scott's top transfer target for this season... Kyle McAllister (who has barely contributed anything so far this season).

In their STV interviews there was nothing to suggest that there was any doubt Kearney would be in charge again this season.

What happened next?

Could it be that Kearney was told our budget was being cut and all his priority players to re-sign for this season were too expensive and he would have to rebuild the squad with the remnants of Jack Ross's squad and without most of the quality additions who made the difference to us from January to May last season (apologies to LJB for discussing a previous manager)... but not to worry Oran we are confident we can bring in McAllister on a 3 year deal!

Following on from Oran being sacked Goodwin's budget will have been further reduced to help pay off OK.

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42 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Just because we gained more points doesn’t necessarily mean we are better. It doesn’t stop the fact that we were bottom after the first round of games. There is no cannon fodder akin to that of ourselves, Accies and Dundee from last season. With Hibs and Hearts likely to pull away in the next few games, we will be left adrift. If we are lucky, the Fakes won’t get any better, and hopefully Accies or County can be kept down. But it doesn’t look like the same battle as last season, and as a result we need to be targeting 35+ points. If things don’t improve soon we aren’t going to be getting anywhere near that, and we haven’t got a Dundee this time around to bail us out.

So let’s see how that pans out over the season, not push alarm bells in November. Something many saints fans were guilty of last season. 

I am optimistic Goody’s team will come good & I think that’s what we need right now. Of course people’s own choice about how hey approach this though. 

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Just because we gained more points doesn’t necessarily mean we are better. It doesn’t stop the fact that we were bottom after the first round of games. There is no cannon fodder akin to that of ourselves, Accies and Dundee from last season. With Hibs and Hearts likely to pull away in the next few games, we will be left adrift. If we are lucky, the Fakes won’t get any better, and hopefully Accies or County can be kept down. But it doesn’t look like the same battle as last season, and as a result we need to be targeting 35+ points. If things don’t improve soon we aren’t going to be getting anywhere near that, and we haven’t got a Dundee this time around to bail us out.
So negative.
We're a much better bottom of the league.
That's still progress.
If we get relegated but gain just one more point than last season, that too will be great progress!
You're such a pessimist!

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9 minutes ago, div said:

There are actually St.Mirren "supporters" who WANT our team to fail.

Let that sink in. How f**king sad is that!

 

The thing is Goodwin hasn't became a shit manager over night, he  did a good job at Alloa and he's had one short transfer window (not his fault, just circumstances). I don't always agree with every decision made by GS but this isn't his fault! We are a team in transition and supporters need to be patient. I believe we have a great coaching staff and backroom team at the club and this will bear fruit as long as we don't press the panic button and instead try and get some stability at the club for the first time in years.

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27 minutes ago, div said:

There are actually St.Mirren "supporters" who WANT our team to fail.

Let that sink in. How f**king sad is that!

 

There sure are... why dont you just ban them so they can pollute elsewhere. Two more weeks of this neg pish...

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4 minutes ago, DougJamie said:

Look up a dictionary see what supporter means. Are you a knob ?

Freedom of speech means supporters can praise and criticise depending on the circumstances of he Team at the time .

If they can suggest how to make the Team better then that is permitted.

So, are you a fascist and an abuser  ?  I don't mind, it's your free speech.

Just makes you seem ridiculous.

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9 hours ago, div said:

There are actually St.Mirren "supporters" who WANT our team to fail.

Let that sink in. How f**king sad is that!

 

Correct, a constant attack on anyone that tries to stay positive. Some that see it as not the St Mirren way. 

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There's a difference between being positive (it can't be proved and is just claiming to be better fans than those you disagree with) and sycophantic :rolleyes:, even GLS admitted the DoF role failed this summer when he said we're "behind the curve" at present - there's no point pretending there was ever a masterplan.

@div I very much doubt whether anyone who posts on here wants the club to do badly and to suggest that some do is just dramaqueenery.

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And yet, by all accounts, the club were still going after OK's transfer targets, and then had to change tack super quickly to focus on Goodwin's targets.
 
 
OK didn't have any transfer targets apart from Kyle McAllister and Popescu. He didn't even have any ideas on who should replace Jimmy Nicholl as his assistant.

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Just because we gained more points doesn’t necessarily mean we are better. It doesn’t stop the fact that we were bottom after the first round of games. There is no cannon fodder akin to that of ourselves, Accies and Dundee from last season. With Hibs and Hearts likely to pull away in the next few games, we will be left adrift. If we are lucky, the Fakes won’t get any better, and hopefully Accies or County can be kept down. But it doesn’t look like the same battle as last season, and as a result we need to be targeting 35+ points. If things don’t improve soon we aren’t going to be getting anywhere near that, and we haven’t got a Dundee this time around to bail us out.
There's no Dundee but there is a St Johnstone along with Ross County and Accies will be down amongst the bottom feeders as usual.

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There's a difference between being positive (it can't be proved and is just claiming to be better fans than those you disagree with) and sycophantic :rolleyes:, even GLS admitted the DoF role failed this summer when he said we're "behind the curve" at present - there's no point pretending there was ever a masterplan.
[mention=2]div[/mention] I very much doubt whether anyone who posts on here wants the club to do badly and to suggest that some do is just dramaqueenery.


Some people have masochistic tendencies, so there are bound to be some that do.

Some others just like to be able to say that they were right about something (they forget about all the times they are wrong) and always "betting" on a club like ours to fail in some way is bound to give them some small victories, it's just the nature of the game. They are like compulsive gamblers. Again, there are bound to be some in that category.

In the main, it doesn't really bother me one way or other, but there are some posters who just can't shut up about it, those are the ones who are an issue for other posters. Personally, I just tend to ignore them, unless I feel like a wee bit of angling.

Maybe the solution for others is to just not engage with those that are always negative. Just my opinion, of course.

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8 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
19 hours ago, FTOF said:
And yet, by all accounts, the club were still going after OK's transfer targets, and then had to change tack super quickly to focus on Goodwin's targets.
 
 

OK didn't have any transfer targets apart from Kyle McAllister and Popescu. He didn't even have any ideas on who should replace Jimmy Nicholl as his assistant.

I would be taking a different view of the assistant position.

Perhaps there was never a replacement for Nicholl because there was never an intention of keeping Kearney on for the new season? Why hire an assistant when you know you’ll be kicking the current manager out for the planned replacement?

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3 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:


 

 


Some people have masochistic tendencies, so there are bound to be some that do.

Some others just like to be able to say that they were right about something (they forget about all the times they are wrong) and always "betting" on a club like ours to fail in some way is bound to give them some small victories, it's just the nature of the game. They are like compulsive gamblers. Again, there are bound to be some in that category.

In the main, it doesn't really bother me one way or other, but there are some posters who just can't shut up about it, those are the ones who are an issue for other posters. Personally, I just tend to ignore them, unless I feel like a wee bit of angling.

Maybe the solution for others is to just not engage with those that are always negative. Just my opinion, of course.

 

Spoiled it with your penultimate sentence.

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I would be taking a different view of the assistant position.
Perhaps there was never a replacement for Nicholl because there was never an intention of keeping Kearney on for the new season? Why hire an assistant when you know you’ll be kicking the current manager out for the planned replacement?
Although this is possible it would indicate an extraordinary level of self harm and incompetence by those running the club.
While I have had issues and disagreements with GLS, TF and GM over their words and actions I don't believe they would do this.

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2 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Don't see how. There are those that are always negative, it is those that I am referring to, not anyone who has an occasional issue with something. I thought I was pretty clear about that.

Maybe you could choose to follow the advice you give to "others" and not engage with me, although it's clearly not your style. :rolleyes:

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