oaksoft Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, TPAFKATS said: And that's exactly what the government will say they are doing. Managing the risk to as low a level as possible to protect lives. There's a good chance UK Gov will say same even though they are taking a different approach. I'm not sure even trump would claim to be putting business before the health of the population. The only person making this claim is you. And perhaps whatever alias Andy is using right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 I'm trying to convert documents to make them more user friendly to pupils on Google classroom. It's not going well……………………………………..<_>Just copy and paste. [emoji14] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Who is suggesting it needs to be a binary decision? Albion saint was in the very post that was included in my post that you quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 A major breakthrough for the more serious form of the virus............................... A £5 steroid which is already available in NHS hospitals cuts deaths of people on ventilators by one third and will be rolled out within 24 hours. Dexamethasone, an anti-inflammatory medication used to treat arthritis, severe allergies and asthma, is the first drug that has been shown to save lives and experts hailed the results as a ‘major breakthrough.’ A trial of 2,100 patients showed that it reduced the death rate of people on ventilators by 30 per cent. Currently four in 10 patients with the most severe form of Covid-19 who need mechanical ventilation will die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: The only person making this claim is you. And perhaps whatever alias Andy is using right now. Andy Pandy? That's going back a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Today's number, 233, Tuesday usually sees a jump after the previous two days lower numbers. All being well the rest of the week will see daily numbers under 200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: 3 hours ago, oaksoft said: Who is suggesting it needs to be a binary decision? Albion saint was in the very post that was included in my post that you quoted. No he wasn't. He said that this APPEARED to be the SG's approach. He also didn't say it NEEDED to be this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Oh dear. A spat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Oh dear. A spat. No, just pointing out that @TPAFKATS is continually twisting words to suit his agenda. Hope this helps. Edited June 16, 2020 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 No he wasn't. He said that this APPEARED to be the SG's approach. He also didn't say it NEEDED to be this way.FFS, by saying this "appears" to be the approach he is literally "suggesting" something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: No he wasn't. He said that this APPEARED to be the SG's approach. He also didn't say it NEEDED to be this way. FFS, by saying this "appears" to be the approach he is literally "suggesting" something. Let’s not get caught up in semantics (it was earlier today and I am just back from my work) you are both correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Should be interesting to see what pans out in both of these scenarios. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-53068788 Coronavirus: Mexico starts to reopen but cases still high https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53074076 Coronavirus in Beijing: 27 neighbourhoods not allowed to leave as spike continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, FTOF said: Should be interesting to see what pans out in both of these scenarios. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-53068788 Coronavirus: Mexico starts to reopen but cases still high https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53074076 Coronavirus in Beijing: 27 neighbourhoods not allowed to leave as spike continues Interesting..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, FTOF said: Should be interesting to see what pans out in both of these scenarios. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-53068788 Coronavirus: Mexico starts to reopen but cases still high https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53074076 Coronavirus in Beijing: 27 neighbourhoods not allowed to leave as spike continues Looking at the numbers, cases and deaths, in Mexico, it's definitely on the high side.. Italy & the UK both relaxed things when the daily fatalities were around 300, it's just about 500 in Mexico. The China situation, which I pointed out yesterday to TPKTWAT, is a classic use of track and trace, which I've said is a slight worry for the UK. Having a system that keeps any outbreak under control and contained is critical in continuing to beat this virus. While the chances of any of us catching this diminishes day by day it's important for the confidence of the public that it can be contained. Oh, forgot.....................interesting. Edited June 17, 2020 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidebud Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Scottish Weekly Covid death figures just out https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-52944935 70 for last week - down by 19. Progress continues - hopefully not long until we hit 0 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Face covering to be mandatory on all public transport including taxis and private hire. Announced expected in next 24hrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said: Face covering to be mandatory on all public transport including taxis and private hire. Announced expected in next 24hrs Attention Mr Shull and HSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 hours ago, faraway saint said: Looking at the numbers, cases and deaths, in Mexico, it's definitely on the high side.. Italy & the UK both relaxed things when the daily fatalities were around 300, it's just about 500 in Mexico. The China situation, which I pointed out yesterday to TPKTWAT, is a classic use of track and trace, which I've said is a slight worry for the UK. Having a system that keeps any outbreak under control and contained is critical in continuing to beat this virus. While the chances of any of us catching this diminishes day by day it's important for the confidence of the public that it can be contained. Oh, forgot.....................interesting. I'm sure that the UK (and Scotland) will let us know when they have such a thing in place. Unfortunately, track and trace seems to rely on people giving a fuck about transmitting the virus. From my observations of people's actions over the past couple of weeks,it would seem that a lot of people don't really care whether they get the virus or pass it on to other people. Even Germany is encountering problems in this respect. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-launches-best-coronavirus-tracing-app/a-53825213 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 So far, touch wood, our family have avoided catching the illness despite two working as key workers. It has come closer though with my younger son being contacted by a friend he met with social distancing on Sunday having gone for a test yesterday. Time will tell. My wife injured her foot and had to go to A and E. A number of things in place there. As she is in the shielding category she was basically put into a room on her own. Good care from the staff had her seen, x rayed, dealt with and out in 2 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 My Facemask is ready to wear, once it becomes law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, FTOF said: Unfortunately, track and trace seems to rely on people giving a fuck about transmitting the virus. From my observations of people's actions over the past couple of weeks,it would seem that a lot of people don't really care whether they get the virus or pass it on to other people. I think it might be slightly more complicated than that. People are unsure WHICH f**k to give since Dom Cum did his Durham dander... Also... If people can't access a test ... anywhere or at any price... If people can't access a test, which can tell them accurately and reliably if they have CV19 or not... If people can't access a test, which can tell them accurately if they have had CV19 or not... and whether they are now considered safe in that they can no longer pass it on... If we have no way of truly knowing anything in regard to the virus...then it's more like the Government (which is highly paid to ensure its citizens are kept safe) has failed and is/has been inadequate at doing its job. I wrote an email to a friend just after Ne'erday in which I explained that I'd been out of it for that week or so: "a flu maybe, but very unusual...no head cold no runny nose, like nothing I've ever experienced before. Gone now, I think". Now that MAY have been it. I have no way of finding out. There are countless people like me who had cv19 type symptoms all the way through the build-up to lockdown. I was in socialising in town and in pubs until the final night it was all shut up. I have been to local pubs, since. Life must go on. I am unkeen on catching CV19, nor would I wish to inflict it on a friend, but I think lockdown has been literally 'overkill' with most deaths being "recorded" in hospitals or in Care Homes. And the massive numbers of deaths are not the fault of the British Pubic which has been amazingly and admirably tolerant and understanding of the restrictions imposed on them - it is all down to inaction and wrong, belated decision making by the government and its advisors. No doubt, they would certainly like to blame the people... Now, I understood that there was a possibility of the NHS being overwhelmed so I could rationalise the original lockdown for that reason, but no longer. The NHS has withstood the worst of the wave. CV19 is now killing people just like any bad flu season. Those most susceptible to it have already been badly impacted. Older people locked down have succumbed in greater numbers to thrombosis due to lack of exercise; treatment of other heart conditions and cancers have been neglected; dementia patients have died in their thousands due to being isolated and (they would believe) abandoned by the few people they recognised and who loved them; Mental Health problems have been exacerbated in many (so I am reading); Schoolkids have had their education badly damaged and derailed. Millions have lost their income and security. All that has to be Included in any debate about what next and WHEN... not just blaming people who merely seek some sort of normal life. Life should be about freedom to do as you want when you want - after calculating risks and knowing what is acceptable to you, without harming other people. We can't cower in the CV19 shadows till a vaccine comes along. Being without work due to this virus, my cellphone sits in a cupboard. Track and Trace would find folk like me tricky to contact, track or trace. Also I wouldn't trust a private firm (given the contract to T+T by sources in this government) with access to my cell's details/contacts. I'd even trust Apple and Google more than them! That's not selfishness. I don't want that technology in my life. There has to be a more human way. (There was, see Salisbury's Novichock murders, but this govt has ignored that.) Edited June 17, 2020 by antrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said: Face covering to be mandatory on all public transport including taxis and private hire. Announced expected in next 24hrs About time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, antrin said: And the massive numbers of deaths are not the fault of the British Pubic which has been amazingly and admirably tolerant and understanding of the restrictions imposed on them - it is all down to inaction and wrong, belated decision making by the government and its advisors. No doubt, they would certainly like to blame the people... Utter drivel. You must be blind, deaf and, well the next bits more obvious, dumb. The great British public are very much to blame as this virus isn't transmitted by voodoo. While many people blame the government the same people have been flouting the rules and then they are greetin on TV about a poor soul who has lost their live to this virus. Aye, you continue to live your life the way you like while many have paid the price to prevent themselves, and others, catching this. There's been aspects of the lockdown that I have disagreed with but for the sake of others I've complied. Aye, you, as you do at every turn, blame the government, ignoring the thousands who have partied like it's 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Best ignored.. He changes his views by the minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, shull said: My Facemask is ready to wear, once it becomes law. Brilliant idea, using your StMirren posing pouch as a mask 😷😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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