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I remember when Fergie was 1 job away from the boot at Man U. He had a huge job to do when he got there and was accorded the time and backing. What he didn't do however was spunk all the money he was given on inferior players and lose the players respect. Oran IMO has to be given time to sort out the mess left by previous managers. He will come good.

Not a pretty game or weather but it's always like that against this mob. The ante football. Thought we done well to get to HT 0.0. But the the 2nd half we just punted high balls up to them. Not a great game but a huge 3 points. Flynn was superb again. But Popescu is different class. And he's dragging Bairdy along with him. Great Hladiky got a clean sheet he deserved one. Need to play better against Killie. But it is winnable. Coys.

Hopefully it will not be a roller coaster - but there will be ups and downs for sure.
Difference is now we have a squad - so losing Tansey, today, McGinn and Lyons in recent weeks has not left us weak and vulnerable . . .
Big test next week at Killie - but they are not on a great run - losing Stewart and having to play fat boy Boyd has not been very fruitful for them - hope they keep that run going for 1 more game. It would be really nice passing Dee on points and goal difference!!!

Let's destroy these wee rascals. 1.0. The duck

http://www.hesgoal.com/news/41707/Heart_of_Midlothian_vs_St_Mirren.html

Yup. On to the match please troops. Think the sheep will score nein.

Yup. On to the match please troops. Think the sheep will score nein.

1.0 saints. Peter Weir

We should get Begbie to sort it out. Lock all W7 in and say nae c**t gets oot til we find oot which c**t did it.
On a serious note however, somebody must know who is guilty. If people are saying that they saw spitting and/or coin throwing then they must have seen the person/people responsible. If they aren't part of the core W7 support then saying nothing will only damage your own group as you will be seen as troublemakers. Get it reported and you will be seen as self-policing and may just keep your privileges.
I like to sit in W7 when I go to games as I love the atmosphere the guys create in there and would hate for it to be stopped due to misplaced loyalty.
 
 

The club clearly don't want this anymore than the W7 guys. They don't want the police at the ground at all, let alone have the police there filming a certain section of the crowd, it's an expense they don't need. This isn't part of some conspiracy, the police are there, in increasing numbers, off their own backs. It is the police who have serious concerns.
This has all gone very sour and you can't just blame the club for this. Things have changed within the people associated with that area of the ground. There has been fighting, there have been several unsavoury incidents. It's not like it was a couple of years ago. The boys I know who sit up there aren't hooligans, the boys I sat amongst (accidentally) at Falkirk and Dunfermline over the last couple if seasons weren't hooligans, they weren't big tough boys looking for trouble. Something has changed this season and if the boys in W7 want to keep what they had, it's in their interest to help weed this out, because if they don't, they will lose it.

The problem is that you are applying only one metric to define success.
If you do that it almost always leads to absolutely dreadful decisions.
Using your logic, Ferguson would have been sacked by Man U and we would have sacked Jack Ross in his first season after the start he had. It would be hard to put into words how unbelievably stupid sacking both of those two guys would have been.
We need our club board to use a much wider range of metrics to make calm and good decisions with a longer term view and we need to accept that sometimes relegation as part of that long term view can be a reality. It doesn't need to be seen purely in terms of being a cast iron failure with huge payoffs to the management team etc. Many positives can be taken by viewing relegation as a temporary defeat than a catastrophe.
There is clearly not ZERO progress. Not by any measure.

Would be utter madness to get rid of the manager now. JRs team took a few games to bed in and look how that went. I'm sure OK has a contract for a few years too, could be expensive.

Would be utter madness to get rid of the manager now. JRs team took a few games to bed in and look how that went. I'm sure OK has a contract for a few years too, could be expensive.

Would be utter madness to get rid of the manager now. JRs team took a few games to bed in and look how that went. I'm sure OK has a contract for a few years too, could be expensive.

Would be utter madness to get rid of the manager now. JRs team took a few games to bed in and look how that went. I'm sure OK has a contract for a few years too, could be expensive.

Win the 4 games against Dundee and Hamilton and hope it’s enough for the playoffs,surely by then the squad will be up to a two leg final scrap

The current set-up in Scotland isn't a good fit for us. We are pretty much on a par with Inverness and Partick Thistle and will always sit around 10th to 14th in the overall hierarchy.
A 16 team league would allow for a sustained stay in the Premier and maybe a bit of freedom to make the odd gamble and push higher up. A 10 team league would allow us some time in the Premier, but more time in a Championship with a couple bigger clubs and therefore bigger crowds.
In terms of crowds and finances though around 12th or 13th is where we are.
We will therefore be a yo-yo club. I don't see a huge problem with that actually, as 2000 and last season were by far the two best years I've had supporting St Mirren.
Clubs like Inverness have shown you can have a few good years getting 2nd, 3rd or 4th place finishes, but eventually, you will return to more or less where your financial standing in the overall hierarchy is.
The "problem" for fans like a couple of the posters above is they don't seem to be able to accept where we are and therefore what our results are likely to be. It is certainly possible we could establish ourselves in the top six like St Johnstone, but to do that we need to increase our off-field revenue by approx 1m pounds as they have. I saw one poster getting very excited about the TV revenue from the new Sky deal. Had to laugh. It is a slightly better but still not a good deal when we compare to leagues of a similar standing in Europe (or Gary Lineker's salary for presenting an English highlights show). More importantly, it won't make any difference to our standing in Scottish football as other clubs revenue will also increase, wages will adjust accordingly, and the better players will still end up at clubs slightly above us. Money is illusionary, and that TV deal is of absolutely no use to us for winning football matches.
The only way to improve our standing in Scottish football to the point where we will actually enjoy being in the Premier League is to put ourselves at a comparative financial advantage over clubs of a similar size. Exactly as Motherwell and Dundee have done by cheating and stealing, Kilmarnock have done by having a rich benefactor willing to service their debt, or St Johnstone have done by building a successful revenue stream away from football activities. In our case this could be hospitality, accommodation, fitness centres etc. 
This won't happen to us any time soon for a few reasons;
- Gordon Scott isn't actually interested in doing it. (He'd have started by now if he was).
- Tony Fitzpatrick doesn't have the skillset to do it
- Campbell Kennedy is incompetent.
- SMISA don't have any say on the running of the club, and their vision extends to doing manual labour around Ralston.
The commercial side of the club has been stagnant for years, and probably performs as badly as our scouting operation which I believe for a club of our size is the worst in Scotland outside of Falkirk.
The only really well run part of the club has been the Academy under the leadership of David Longwell, without which we would probably be in League 1 by now. The money generated from the sales of key players was used to win us the league last season (alongside the performances of academy players). However, that money is not a constant, predictable revenue stream. We will probably bank a little from Kyle & Ethan and from what I understand that will be the end of it for a while.
So, to answer the original point raised, you might as well enjoy being in The Championship because that is where we are going to spend a lot of our time. There are advantages and disadvantages to both leagues, with home games generally being better in the Premier and away games better in the Championship. The Premier isn't that much fun though unless we can actually compete. This season, for example, is f**king murder.
Clubs like St Johnstone and Kilmarnock are operating on levels of turnover higher than ours, and will therefore continue to bring in better players than us. The best we can really hope for is where Danny Lennon got us to, 9th in the league and winning a national cup. Of course, Stewart Gilmour fired him mainly because the finances are so tight he thought it a good idea to remove the manager's salary completely and just get by with a coach and a couple of players running things. It was a woeful decision but financial stress sometimes causes us to act irrationally.
The biggest shame for me is that it would appear (and I may be wrong here, but I doubt it), that the 1m pound bounty from John McGinn's transfer will have been spent this season on a massive turnover of incompetent players and managers. This could and should have been used to bring in further investors to build the facilities that would allow us add the further revenue streams that we need if we are ever to put ourselves at a sustainable comparative advantage over the other clubs that look to finish between 3rd and 9th in the Premier League.
I do enjoy a day out to Ayr through.

Well done. So proud of you.

Biggest game for us since Ayr away 2 seasons ago when Sutton scored. Expecting a win for The Saints. 2.0
 
 

Biggest game for us since Ayr away 2 seasons ago when Sutton scored. Expecting a win for The Saints. 2.0
 
 

That's exactly what i heard coming from the changing room before kick off..... Unfortunately for us it was coming from the Referee's room 

It's now just blatant.

It's now just blatant.

Certainly a gamble but one that had to be made. With the squad we had we were going straight down. Unfortunately due to the Stubbs fiasco we have now spent more than we should have. We will still have a team to support next season. Following saints is more downs than ups as we all know. Let's enjoy the ride [emoji41]

We will deserve to go down if we end up with the least points in the league. If St. Mirren are a joke and you never have anything positive to say why not just support one if the bigot brothers?