Drew Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 I would struggle to get my head round Smith going on loan to Ayr. From a season at the club that skooshed the Championship, to a move to a club newly promoted to that league? How does that aid his development? He would be a good fit for us, and, I suspect, we would be a good fit for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Drew said: I would struggle to get my head round Smith going on loan to Ayr. From a season at the club that skooshed the Championship, to a move to a club newly promoted to that league? How does that aid his development? He would be a good fit for us, and, I suspect, we would be a good fit for him. Maybe Hearts don't want him going to a rival club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Zo Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Liam smith on loan would be a very good for for him and saints. Can't imagine he would want to head to Ayr in the championship instead of trying to play at a higher level and test himself further. I am sure someone will ask tonight at q&a. He might not be someone on Stubbs radar but think he would be a valuable addition to the squad. I just have this feeling that should John McGinn move on to Celtic for £2.5 million or so in the next few weeks then you will see a number of players of a pretty decent standard arriving at St Mirren. I am not saying we are going to spend a large chunk of fee received but just think there will be some cash added to player pot for this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turrabuddie Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 I would struggle to get my head round Smith going on loan to Ayr. From a season at the club that skooshed the Championship, to a move to a club newly promoted to that league? How does that aid his development? He would be a good fit for us, and, I suspect, we would be a good fit for him.Suspect it would be good to have him back in the dressing room to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, turrabuddie said: 53 minutes ago, Drew said: I would struggle to get my head round Smith going on loan to Ayr. From a season at the club that skooshed the Championship, to a move to a club newly promoted to that league? How does that aid his development? He would be a good fit for us, and, I suspect, we would be a good fit for him. Suspect it would be good to have him back in the dressing room to. Aye - spoke to him at the Bankhouse the night we won the league. Nice lad, and seems to have his head screwed on. There's no doubt that he really enjoyed his time at the club. He would be a genuine asset. I had hoped we could maybe wangle a permanent move for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 As posted in the Liam Smith thread.... Naw..! for all his good performances he crumbled against the more physical teams (Livi, Morton, Falkirk, Dun Utd, Dunfermline etc) last season, and we cannexpevt a lot more of the same physical game this season. its telling Hearts don't fancy him, despite being light in that dept, and no one is throwing a cheeky bid in. Thanks for last season Liam, its not you.... we just need our space! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddie Marvelous Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 I'm sure I read on the forum somewhere, that Jack Ross enquired about Liam Smith's availability and was told NO. So he brought in Paul McGinn instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, Drew said: Aye - spoke to him at the Bankhouse the night we won the league. Nice lad, and seems to have his head screwed on. There's no doubt that he really enjoyed his time at the club. He would be a genuine asset. I had hoped we could maybe wangle a permanent move for him. Excellent player that I believe would fit into an attacking, passing style of play. I had also hoped we made a move to sign Liam permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turrabuddie Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Dundee thread on P&B saying Greg Stewart been spotted in Dundee. Could be nonsense, so please dont shoot the messenger ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsons dropped it Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 43 minutes ago, turrabuddie said: Dundee thread on P&B saying Greg Stewart been spotted in Dundee. Could be nonsense, so please dont shoot the messenger ! Proper beelin' if he came to us......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Rep Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Birmingham fc have been hit with a transfer embargo, don't think they will let anyone leave without someone coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, turrabuddie said: Dundee thread on P&B saying Greg Stewart been spotted in Dundee. Could be nonsense, so please dont shoot the messenger ! In Asda's I presume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Drew said: I would struggle to get my head round Smith going on loan to Ayr. From a season at the club that skooshed the Championship, to a move to a club newly promoted to that league? How does that aid his development? He would be a good fit for us, and, I suspect, we would be a good fit for him. Must be a couple of reasons. Main one being Hearts don't want him helping out an SPL side. With Ayr he is likely to be challenged more and will need to prove himself in a weaker team. With us he had better players around him which can help you out, Ayr won't have the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said: Must be a couple of reasons. Main one being Hearts don't want him helping out an SPL side. With Ayr he is likely to be challenged more and will need to prove himself in a weaker team. With us he had better players around him which can help you out, Ayr won't have the same. So we are a weaker team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 hours ago, pod said: So we are a weaker team now. Meaning our Championship squad was (most likely) stronger than Ayr's team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Meaning our Championship squad was (most likely) stronger than Ayr's team.But we’re playing in a higher division now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: But we’re playing in a higher division now. Right, and? Our Championship squad was clearly a good side as they won the league. Ayr have not started their season yet. Therefore we cannot gain a true measure of their quality. I would imagine Ayr would be weaker than our CH team from last season. Currently this is an assumption of mine. Hence why I said for this season, Liam Smith will have to prove himself in a weaker team with Ayr than the team he played for last season. What do you not understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said: Right, and? Our Championship squad was clearly a good side as they won the league. Ayr have not started their season yet. Therefore we cannot gain a true measure of their quality. I would imagine Ayr would be weaker than our CH team from last season. Currently this is an assumption of mine. Hence why I said for this season, Liam Smith will have to prove himself in a weaker team with Ayr than the team he played for last season. What do you not understand? Surely the key to incremental player development is to test him at a higher lever as opposed to having to prove himself in a weaker team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Drew said: Surely the key to incremental player development is to test him at a higher lever as opposed to having to prove himself in a weaker team? I guess Hearts are in two places here. They may not want to help out a fellow SPL side by handing them Smith. But they don't feel he is ready for their side either. So they've gone back to the same league as last season. Perhaps Ayr were first to ask for his service from that league and got first dibs. I'm not sure what the thinking of Hearts here is, but I reckon it's a tougher challenge for him. He proved last year he could do well with a good team around him, one which he contributed well too. Now he's in the same league, same level as last season, but with a team who would most likely be weaker than us, facing some very strong opposition (looks to be some season coming up down there). He may have to stand out more here having been a league winner the season before. He's proven his mental strength in a title battle, but he may have to prove it at the other end this time. Shame, it would have been good to have him back here and let him battle it out with P.McGinn for the RB spot. I reckon Ayr could stay up. Alloa will most likely finish bottom, and I fancy Morton to suffer for sacking Duffy and finish 9th. ETA: Their League Cup performance shows they are no mugs. Could be the surprise package of that league. Edited July 31, 2018 by Cornwall_Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anybuddie Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Is it a done deal or just speculation? Don’t see anything on Hrarts forum . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Anybuddie said: Is it a done deal or just speculation? Don’t see anything on Hrarts forum . Don't think there's any deal, just speculation and a lot of wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 I've a feeling Ayr will have a good season,possibly challenging for a Play Off place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Right, and? Our Championship squad was clearly a good side as they won the league. Ayr have not started their season yet. Therefore we cannot gain a true measure of their quality. I would imagine Ayr would be weaker than our CH team from last season. Currently this is an assumption of mine. Hence why I said for this season, Liam Smith will have to prove himself in a weaker team with Ayr than the team he played for last season. What do you not understand?Your post.That’s what I don’t understand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 13 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said: Right, and therefore a weaker team. Our Championship squad was clearly a good side as they won the league. Ayr have not started their season yet. Therefore we cannot gain a true measure of their quality. I would imagine Ayr would be weaker than our CH team from last season. Currently this is an assumption of mine. Hence why I said for this season, Liam Smith will have to prove himself in a weaker team with Ayr than the team he played for last season. What do you not understand? Were we not a weak team when Liam Smith joined us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 9 hours ago, HSS said: I've a feeling Ayr will have a good season,possibly challenging for a Play Off place. I can't see it tbh. Ross County, ICT, Pars, Falkirk, Dundee Utd and Partick all in that league, looks hellish. Glad we got out of this one! 1 hour ago, pod said: Were we not a weak team when Liam Smith joined us. We were on the up at that point, things were coming together. Of course adding Liam in helped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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