No Ambition. And A Fool As Manager.

[TopCat]

Mid table in a 10 team league that includes Alloa, Dumbarton, Cowdenbeath, Livingston & Morton.

Jeez. That's setting the bar high!

FFS, the target should be the play offs.

We're up against Falkirk & QoS for those spots. Both clubs lost significant players during the summer and have less resources than us.

If Murray can't manage to finish higher than one of them then he should be out the door!

I don't believe he will finish higher than either, hence why I doubt I'll be back this season.

Good post.

Anything less than the playoffs this season is failure. No one is expecting us to challenge for the title, but look at our squad compared to the likes of QOTS and Falkirk. We should be at least competing with them. Murray got Dumbarton in 5th in his first full season with us. Why should we aim for or be happy with less?

Oh and one other thing... Cowdenbeath aren't in the league ;)

Edited September 1, 2015 by TopCat

[oaksoft]

Also worth remembering that just because you think something is stupid doesn't mean it is.

You ain't the font of all wisdom.

Maybe not but I do know that Cowdenbeath aren't in our division.

[Lord Pityme]

The main problem with this new fangled medium called the internet and even more radical, a Forum that allows free expression, is that it allows anyone who thinks they have a right to express them selves openly and to criticise, whether they have the knowledge or not, is that they do it regardless.

Historically (and I mean probably only as far back as the 80's and early 90's) a medium like this never existed, so if you had any form of a grumble you wrote to the newspaper and they in turn would consider it, edit it and maybe print it if they had nothing better to fill the column inches.

Not now, you clatter the keyboard, you vent your spleen and you stand back to admire the negativity you create.

In the case of the Saints, well we've been here before and it is a transitional period, however probably none of you who write vindictive and negative sentences have ever managed, coached or played football at the standard you write about.

If for example you are a mechanic, does that make you an expert on aircraft design or jet propulsion. If you are a writer of detective novels, does that make you a Shakespearean prose writer? Of course not, so as a follower of football does that give you the ability (note I didn't say the right), to criticise or spout your views on tactics or systems to all and sundry?

Let the management team have a season. Let them make mistakes, let them have success. If you were there on Saturday you would see that Saints are a team low on confidence and low on free-flowing expression. That comes with confidence and winning a few games. Just get off their backs for a change!

Aye t'internet is responsible for it all!

Funny you mention mechanics and football in the same sentence as i recently took my car to a well known, 'Fast Fit' type establishment to have the brakes done. Got a quote, liked the price, seemed like the manager there had assembled a decent squad of car care professionals so i checked my watch, and signalled them to start.

A while later I called back to collect my car, the scene in the workshop was one of complete disarray, an auto electrician had welded a small rubbish bin to my bonnet, the apprentice mechanic kept standing off the car and not assisting the chief mechanic who was trying to fit the brakes, check the tyres, valet the car, answer the phone, and get me a coffee at the same time.... The manager and deputy stood outside the workshop, clipboard in hand shouting and frantically waving their arms whilst the whole workforce seemed to just go through the motions...

Understandably concerned i asked to speak to the manager in private, he assured me they were all "good lads, with a healthy mix of potential and experience" not feeling any more comfort from his words i pressed him on the state of play, the glaring errors and the fact that some of the squad were not working in their area of specialism... He acknowledged this explaining he had only just recruited the experienced guys, and it would take time for them all to "Gel" as a team.

On hearing this i immediately paid in full for the work, and surprised the manager by insisting on paying in advance for some other work I wanted done in the near future. He look puzzled as he took my money and said "you know in most other customer facing businesses I would have expected you to through a complete tantrum, storm out without paying and take your business elsewhere..."

I smiled and replied..."yeah...duh... But I am not a mechanic, and you talk a good game, so how could impossibly pass judgement on you and your teams capabilities..?"

He looked stunned as we both watched the apprentices arguing about should they use the fire extinguisher or blow torch to put out the small fire they started in the boot... "Aye you're right there pal, theres too many knicker-wetting, keyboard warriors these days who think THEY! Have the right or sense to criticise you when you have a wee blip"

I pitched in to help put out the fire, bought a load of their air fresheners, furry dice etc, and handed them a load of cash to carry on trying to get the brakes on. Hopefully they'll gel soon and i get my car to move forwards again!

[bluto]

Aye t'internet is responsible for it all!

Funny you mention mechanics and football in the same sentence as i recently took my car to a well known, 'Fast Fit' type establishment to have the brakes done. Got a quote, liked the price, seemed like the manager there had assembled a decent squad of car care professionals so i checked my watch, and signalled them to start.

A while later I called back to collect my car, the scene in the workshop was one of complete disarray, an auto electrician had welded a small rubbish bin to my bonnet, the apprentice mechanic kept standing off the car and not assisting the chief mechanic who was trying to fit the brakes, check the tyres, valet the car, answer the phone, and get me a coffee at the same time.... The manager and deputy stood outside the workshop, clipboard in hand shouting and frantically waving their arms whilst the whole workforce seemed to just go through the motions...

Understandably concerned i asked to speak to the manager in private, he assured me they were all "good lads, with a healthy mix of potential and experience" not feeling any more comfort from his words i pressed him on the state of play, the glaring errors and the fact that some of the squad were not working in their area of specialism... He acknowledged this explaining he had only just recruited the experienced guys, and it would take time for them all to "Gel" as a team.

On hearing this i immediately paid in full for the work, and surprised the manager by insisting on paying in advance for some other work I wanted done in the near future. He look puzzled as he took my money and said "you know in most other customer facing businesses I would have expected you to through a complete tantrum, storm out without paying and take your business elsewhere..."

I smiled and replied..."yeah...duh... But I am not a mechanic, and you talk a good game, so how could impossibly pass judgement on you and your teams capabilities..?"

He looked stunned as we both watched the apprentices arguing about should they use the fire extinguisher or blow torch to put out the small fire they started in the boot... "Aye you're right there pal, theres too many knicker-wetting, keyboard warriors these days who think THEY! Have the right or sense to criticise you when you have a wee blip"

I pitched in to help put out the fire, bought a load of their air fresheners, furry dice etc, and handed them a load of cash to carry on trying to get the brakes on. Hopefully they'll gel soon and i get my car to move forwards again!

Can I interest you in buying a bridge across the Thames, in central London...?

[RickMcD]

Aye t'internet is responsible for it all!

Funny you mention mechanics and football in the same sentence as i recently took my car to a well known, 'Fast Fit' type establishment to have the brakes done. Got a quote, liked the price, seemed like the manager there had assembled a decent squad of car care professionals so i checked my watch, and signalled them to start.

A while later I called back to collect my car, the scene in the workshop was one of complete disarray, an auto electrician had welded a small rubbish bin to my bonnet, the apprentice mechanic kept standing off the car and not assisting the chief mechanic who was trying to fit the brakes, check the tyres, valet the car, answer the phone, and get me a coffee at the same time.... The manager and deputy stood outside the workshop, clipboard in hand shouting and frantically waving their arms whilst the whole workforce seemed to just go through the motions...

Understandably concerned i asked to speak to the manager in private, he assured me they were all "good lads, with a healthy mix of potential and experience" not feeling any more comfort from his words i pressed him on the state of play, the glaring errors and the fact that some of the squad were not working in their area of specialism... He acknowledged this explaining he had only just recruited the experienced guys, and it would take time for them all to "Gel" as a team.

On hearing this i immediately paid in full for the work, and surprised the manager by insisting on paying in advance for some other work I wanted done in the near future. He look puzzled as he took my money and said "you know in most other customer facing businesses I would have expected you to through a complete tantrum, storm out without paying and take your business elsewhere..."

I smiled and replied..."yeah...duh... But I am not a mechanic, and you talk a good game, so how could impossibly pass judgement on you and your teams capabilities..?"

He looked stunned as we both watched the apprentices arguing about should they use the fire extinguisher or blow torch to put out the small fire they started in the boot... "Aye you're right there pal, theres too many knicker-wetting, keyboard warriors these days who think THEY! Have the right or sense to criticise you when you have a wee blip"

I pitched in to help put out the fire, bought a load of their air fresheners, furry dice etc, and handed them a load of cash to carry on trying to get the brakes on. Hopefully they'll gel soon and i get my car to move forwards again!

Time to go lie down in a dark room for a wee while. About nine months will do nicely.

[proudtobeabuddy]

Aye t'internet is responsible for it all!

Funny you mention mechanics and football in the same sentence as i recently took my car to a well known, 'Fast Fit' type establishment to have the brakes done. Got a quote, liked the price, seemed like the manager there had assembled a decent squad of car care professionals so i checked my watch, and signalled them to start.

A while later I called back to collect my car, the scene in the workshop was one of complete disarray, an auto electrician had welded a small rubbish bin to my bonnet, the apprentice mechanic kept standing off the car and not assisting the chief mechanic who was trying to fit the brakes, check the tyres, valet the car, answer the phone, and get me a coffee at the same time.... The manager and deputy stood outside the workshop, clipboard in hand shouting and frantically waving their arms whilst the whole workforce seemed to just go through the motions...

Understandably concerned i asked to speak to the manager in private, he assured me they were all "good lads, with a healthy mix of potential and experience" not feeling any more comfort from his words i pressed him on the state of play, the glaring errors and the fact that some of the squad were not working in their area of specialism... He acknowledged this explaining he had only just recruited the experienced guys, and it would take time for them all to "Gel" as a team.

On hearing this i immediately paid in full for the work, and surprised the manager by insisting on paying in advance for some other work I wanted done in the near future. He look puzzled as he took my money and said "you know in most other customer facing businesses I would have expected you to through a complete tantrum, storm out without paying and take your business elsewhere..."

I smiled and replied..."yeah...duh... But I am not a mechanic, and you talk a good game, so how could impossibly pass judgement on you and your teams capabilities..?"

He looked stunned as we both watched the apprentices arguing about should they use the fire extinguisher or blow torch to put out the small fire they started in the boot... "Aye you're right there pal, theres too many knicker-wetting, keyboard warriors these days who think THEY! Have the right or sense to criticise you when you have a wee blip"

I pitched in to help put out the fire, bought a load of their air fresheners, furry dice etc, and handed them a load of cash to carry on trying to get the brakes on. Hopefully they'll gel soon and i get my car to move forwards again!

You just made that up...

[Lord Pityme]

Can I interest you in buying a bridge across the Thames, in central London...?

Hmmm dunno... Mibbaes? I bought a castle in Edinburgh this morning so i suppose a bridge would work with that..?

[Lord Pityme]

Time to go lie down in a dark room for a wee while. About nine months will do nicely.

Thank 'The Lord' for that, you enjoy your period of confinement now!

[RickMcD]

Thank 'The Lord' for that, you enjoy your period of confinement now!

See, you misunderstand everything!

[beyond our ken]

The main problem with this new fangled medium called the internet and even more radical, a Forum that allows free expression, is that it allows anyone who thinks they have a right to express them selves openly and to criticise, whether they have the knowledge or not, is that they do it regardless.

Historically (and I mean probably only as far back as the 80's and early 90's) a medium like this never existed, so if you had any form of a grumble you wrote to the newspaper and they in turn would consider it, edit it and maybe print it if they had nothing better to fill the column inches.

Not now, you clatter the keyboard, you vent your spleen and you stand back to admire the negativity you create.

In the case of the Saints, well we've been here before and it is a transitional period, however probably none of you who write vindictive and negative sentences have ever managed, coached or played football at the standard you write about.

If for example you are a mechanic, does that make you an expert on aircraft design or jet propulsion. If you are a writer of detective novels, does that make you a Shakespearean prose writer? Of course not, so as a follower of football does that give you the ability (note I didn't say the right), to criticise or spout your views on tactics or systems to all and sundry?

Let the management team have a season. Let them make mistakes, let them have success. If you were there on Saturday you would see that Saints are a team low on confidence and low on free-flowing expression. That comes with confidence and winning a few games. Just get off their backs for a change!

Pretentious shit

As stakeholders in the club, we all have the ability to proffer an opinion based on our own experiences. You no like?-you no have to read.

Understando

I could suggest that by the same token as your post, yourself and your likees have no ability to offer support to the management team, endorse their approach or argue for more time before judgement is reached since none of you have ever been in the position of running a professional football club-but you all still did so.

But a smart cookie like yourself has probably already worked that one out and is about to edit the post accordingly. Eh?

The ability to criticise requires only the sense (or, admittedly in my case, the lack thereof) to work out a point of view and the means of expressing it.

[oaksoft]

Aye t'internet is responsible for it all!

Funny you mention mechanics and football in the same sentence as i recently took my car to a well known, 'Fast Fit' type establishment to have the brakes done. Got a quote, liked the price, seemed like the manager there had assembled a decent squad of car care professionals so i checked my watch, and signalled them to start.

A while later I called back to collect my car, the scene in the workshop was one of complete disarray, an auto electrician had welded a small rubbish bin to my bonnet, the apprentice mechanic kept standing off the car and not assisting the chief mechanic who was trying to fit the brakes, check the tyres, valet the car, answer the phone, and get me a coffee at the same time.... The manager and deputy stood outside the workshop, clipboard in hand shouting and frantically waving their arms whilst the whole workforce seemed to just go through the motions...

Understandably concerned i asked to speak to the manager in private, he assured me they were all "good lads, with a healthy mix of potential and experience" not feeling any more comfort from his words i pressed him on the state of play, the glaring errors and the fact that some of the squad were not working in their area of specialism... He acknowledged this explaining he had only just recruited the experienced guys, and it would take time for them all to "Gel" as a team.

On hearing this i immediately paid in full for the work, and surprised the manager by insisting on paying in advance for some other work I wanted done in the near future. He look puzzled as he took my money and said "you know in most other customer facing businesses I would have expected you to through a complete tantrum, storm out without paying and take your business elsewhere..."

I smiled and replied..."yeah...duh... But I am not a mechanic, and you talk a good game, so how could impossibly pass judgement on you and your teams capabilities..?"

He looked stunned as we both watched the apprentices arguing about should they use the fire extinguisher or blow torch to put out the small fire they started in the boot... "Aye you're right there pal, theres too many knicker-wetting, keyboard warriors these days who think THEY! Have the right or sense to criticise you when you have a wee blip"

I pitched in to help put out the fire, bought a load of their air fresheners, furry dice etc, and handed them a load of cash to carry on trying to get the brakes on. Hopefully they'll gel soon and i get my car to move forwards again!

That'll teach you to use Kwik Fit.

[DougJamie]

I totally agree with Drew.

All this Thread deserves is a major FFS.

Very poor.

So Do I. What planet are some on. Obviously not a clue how, a "team " works. New management, new players, new systems. Our centre half signed Thursday, our front guy signed last week. Just look and moan..... Ok so far this season under Murray in all comps reads WLLWDLD. Eh hardly disastrous.

We watch Kenny McLean star at Dons, we lose McGinn, McGowan..... that's a decent midfield.

We bring in kids and players from Championship and what we expect top 4. Get real!!!

I was happy when we appointed Murray, he has shown good signings, he is very positive and he knows a hell of a lot more than the judges on here..

Its 1st September FFS. Apart from one result versus Sons we are where I thought....

[Big Yards]

So Do I. What planet are some on. Obviously not a clue how, a "team " works. New management, new players, new systems. Our centre half signed Thursday, our front guy signed last week. Just look and moan..... Ok so far this season under Murray in all comps reads WLLWDLD. Eh hardly disastrous.

We watch Kenny McLean star at Dons, we lose McGinn, McGowan..... that's a decent midfield.

We bring in kids and players from Championship and what we expect top 4. Get real!!!

I was happy when we appointed Murray, he has shown good signings, he is very positive and he knows a hell of a lot more than the judges on here..

Its 1st September FFS. Apart from one result versus Sons we are where I thought....

We let McGowan go and our support were happy about it!

He's exactly the type of midfielder we need to start controlling games

[RickMcD]

We let McGowan go and our support were happy about it!

He's exactly the type of midfielder we need to start controlling games

Don't remember many saying they were happy about it. I think he was well past his best when he moved on.

[The Original 59er]

beyond our ken

Posted Today, 13:02 You no like?-you no have to read.

Quite

[beyond our ken]

beyond our ken

Quite

brilliant. But i think he missed the point

[Dibbles old paperboy]

Its 1st September FFS. Apart from one result versus Sons we are where I thought....

Although your prediction that we would make a statement following our cup exit and beat Livingston 5-1 on Saturday with goals from Mallan, Agnew, Shankland and Gallagher would appear to have been unfulfilled. Maybe not quite where you thought we would be at this point in the season after all. PS when do you expect us to win a game or play well? Also we do not have a team of wee boys and players signed from the Championship, we have signed one player from the Championship in Agnew. Other than that we have one player on loan from the International Rangers also in the Championship, and signed players from Aberdeen, Celtic, Motherwell, Dundee United, and Burnley among others and have Langfield, Watson, Webster, Goodwin, Agnew, Gow, Carswell, and Thompson who all have a good amount of experience as well as a number of our own young boys who have 1 or 2 seasons SPL experience.

[stripey]

I,m no great admirer of the present BOD,s, although never having run a football club, I doubt I could do better however the majority of the St.Mirren fanbase stated they wanted a complete and utter clearout of some players, a new manager appointed, who had no association with the club and new players signed. We the fans, to the BOD,s credit, gave us this. Unfortunately, much the same as the rest of St.Mirren fans, the season, with just less than a month into it, in league terms, has not panned out the way most of us, if not all, wished for or wanted.

I do a lot of moaning about the game St.Mirren have just played, as the wife will testify, especially if they have lost and I also completely understand that for most of the support it's a lot of money to shell out week after week to watch St.Mirren play rotten football, as they are at the moment, , but if you're truly a St.Mirren supporter it's in your blood and you will always support them come hell or high water.

Many a St.Mirren supporter has said give the team and the new manager time, because 4 league games is certainly not long enough. I agree and can only compare it too being in a job, whereby I had represented 4 people at employment tribunals and lost in some and put in a poor performance as a representative in the others, I would certainly expect my employer to show a little understanding and give me a couple of more months to show an improvement, who knows I might have turned it round. Please can we St.Mirren supporters be the better men/women, keep getting behind the team and continue to support them.

[pozbaird]

I,m no great admirer of the present BOD,s, although never having run a football club, I doubt I could do better however the majority of the St.Mirren fanbase stated they wanted a complete and utter clearout of some players, a new manager appointed, who had no association with the club and new players signed. We the fans, to the BOD,s credit, gave us this. Unfortunately, much the same as the rest of St.Mirren fans, the season, with just less than a month into it, in league terms, has not panned out the way most of us, if not all, wished for or wanted.

I do a lot of moaning about the game St.Mirren have just played, as the wife will testify, especially if they have lost and I also completely understand that for most of the support it's a lot of money to shell out week after week to watch St.Mirren play rotten football, as they are at the moment, , but if you're truly a St.Mirren supporter it's in your blood and you will always support them come hell or high water.

Many a St.Mirren supporter has said give the team and the new manager time, because 4 league games is certainly not long enough. I agree and can only compare it too being in a job, whereby I had represented 4 people at employment tribunals and lost in some and put in a poor performance as a representative in the others, I would certainly expect my employer to show a little understanding and give me a couple of more months to show an improvement, who knows I might have turned it round. Please can we St.Mirren supporters be the better men/women, keep getting behind the team and continue to support them.

I am perfectly happy to agree four games isn't nearly enough to judge if a manager 'has it' or not. I also agree four games is not enough to judge if the team 'has it' or not, and I agree we should, as supporters, keep supporting the team and not turn on them at games.

However, what I would ask any forumster who has been to most, if not all of the competitive games played so far is this: tell me what is good about Murray's St Mirren so far that is different, encouraging, or exciting from that of Gary Teale or Tommy Craig's St Mirren. I could see it with Danny Lennon, I could see what Danny was attempting - to be a more fluent 'footballing' side, playing it out from the back, and players looking comfortable on tne ball. As an example, I went to the 0-0 draw at Dunfermline where Thommo' missed a penalty. We were superb - we applauded the team off the park. It was fast, attacking, I left feeling that we were trying to play the right way.

I can't see anything from Murray. Not a clear plan, a clear style, a promising style, an attacking outlook - zero.

Frankly, I am worried, but willing to wait and see if he has something in his locker to turn it around.

[foxbar_bud]

I am perfectly happy to agree four games isn't nearly enough to judge if a manager 'has it' or not. I also agree four games is not enough to judge if the team 'has it' or not, and I agree we should, as supporters, keep supporting the team and not turn on them at games.

However, what I would ask any forumster who has been to most, if not all of the competitive games played so far is this: tell me what is good about Murray's St Mirren so far that is different, encouraging, or exciting from that of Gary Teale or Tommy Craig's St Mirren. I could see it with Danny Lennon, I could see what Danny was attempting - to be a more fluent 'footballing' side, playing it out from the back, and players looking comfortable on tne ball. As an example, I went to the 0-0 draw at Dunfermline where Thommo' missed a penalty. We were superb - we applauded the team off the park. It was fast, attacking, I left feeling that we were trying to play the right way.

I can't see anything from Murray. Not a clear plan, a clear style, a promising style, an attacking outlook - zero.

Frankly, I am worried, but willing to wait and see if he has something in his locker to turn it around.

But Danny had a year, and 3 transfer windows, to build up to that Dunfermline game where you rightly say we were excellent, but we came no where near that standard in his first season. Ian Murray has had 1transfer window where he has rebuilt the squad.

I appreciate the rebuilding has been pretty slow, but for me, he now has a full squad to pick from, options pretty much in every position,

We won't be relegated, squad is too strong for that, so I'm willing to give IM a season to see where we are, anything outside top 4 is failure, but I'm willing to support him for more than 4 league games to attempt to get it right

Edited September 1, 2015 by foxbar_bud

[stripey]

I am perfectly happy to agree four games isn't nearly enough to judge if a manager 'has it' or not. I also agree four games is not enough to judge if the team 'has it' or not, and I agree we should, as supporters, keep supporting the team and not turn on them at games.

However, what I would ask any forumster who has been to most, if not all of the competitive games played so far is this: tell me what is good about Murray's St Mirren so far that is different, encouraging, or exciting from that of Gary Teale or Tommy Craig's St Mirren. I could see it with Danny Lennon, I could see what Danny was attempting - to be a more fluent 'footballing' side, playing it out from the back, and players looking comfortable on tne ball. As an example, I went to the 0-0 draw at Dunfermline where Thommo' missed a penalty. We were superb - we applauded the team off the park. It was fast, attacking, I left feeling that we were trying to play the right way.

I can't see anything from Murray. Not a clear plan, a clear style, a promising style, an attacking outlook - zero.

Frankly, I am worried, but willing to wait and see if he has something in his locker to turn it around.

In a way I cannot disagree with you but as foxbar_- bud states Danny had a year and 3 transfer windows leading up to the Dunfermline game. He also had us playing some pitiful football. Having stated that its about the present, and I am just as concerned as you, one thing is, on paper and I emphasise on paper, we have a good looking squad admittedly a stronger midfield would be helpful. Now I do not know what's wrong that their appears to be no formation the team plays too, all I am saying is when you support a team like St.Mirren you take the good with the bad and in the main its the bad we seem to get however now that Ian Murray has got a good, settled squad and has got to know the players we have a bit better, I believe he will start playing the team more to his plan. If he does not after the 1st quarter I'll probably start decrying him, but probably just like you and those that liked your post we will always support St.Mirren. For the time being please continue to support the team and for that matter Ian Murray.

[Lord Pityme]

If its a good looking squad drawn from teams playing at a higher level why is the manager floundering to get any cohesion against much less talented/resourceful opposition....

Quite simply its either the management and/or the players who are failing. To continually attempt to draw parallels with previous managers/players is redundant... Its about who is here, and its about now.

If i bring in six brickies from a rival builder to work for Pityme Construction.... I don't expect four months later to still be waiting for them to simply do the basics right..! They are trained and skilled tradesmen, just like our squad... Give them clear, consistent and timely instructions and they will do their job.

We have a squad of trained, skilled footballers who get paid bonuses for results, so if we accept they definitely want that bonus money... Why are they failing to get the basics right? It can only be because they are not getting clear, consistent and timely instructions!

[stripey]

As I stated before I, just like yourself do not have the answers, I agree with you that talking about past managerial posts is irrelevant. For all we know the team is getting clear, timely and consistent instructions from Ian Murray and its the team that is getting confused, an example of this was Jim Goodwin shouting to the team on Saturday "move out, move out" along with majority of the crowd. Some players took this on board some did not, however I believe as the team starts to know each others playing style they will get better and play as a unit and more the way Ian Murray wants them too. Like the players the manager does not want too see his team getting beat or drawing to lower end teams, after all he would face the ultimate price with the BOD,s dismissing him. If after the 1st quarter we are showing no improvement I like yourself will in all honesty start decrying him, but we do have to keep in mind, he's starting from scratch with new players, whilst negotiating deals, transfer wise, following the BOD,s wishes and everything else involved in a managerial sense in running a football club, its a big change for him. In finishing I'll add that you please don,t judge the man just yet whilst continuing to support St.Mirren F.C.

[Lord Pityme]

As I stated before I, just like yourself do not have the answers, I agree with you that talking about past managerial posts is irrelevant. For all we know the team is getting clear, timely and consistent instructions from Ian Murray and its the team that is getting confused, an example of this was Jim Goodwin shouting to the team on Saturday "move out, move out" along with majority of the crowd. Some players took this on board some did not, however I believe as the team starts to know each others playing style they will get better and play as a unit and more the way Ian Murray wants them too. Like the players the manager does not want too see his team getting beat or drawing to lower end teams, after all he would face the ultimate price with the BOD,s dismissing him. If after the 1st quarter we are showing no improvement I like yourself will in all honesty start decrying him, but we do have to keep in mind, he's starting from scratch with new players, whilst negotiating deals, transfer wise, following the BOD,s wishes and everything else involved in a managerial sense in running a football club, its a big change for him. In finishing I'll add that you please don,t judge the man just yet whilst continuing to support St.Mirren F.C.

Always have and always will support St Mirren... Thats never in doubt, Murray on the other hand is just one more seemingly bad decision by an out of touch board and he will be long gone whilst I will still be supporting my team, not a failed regime!

[RickMcD]

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