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10 minutes ago, Hendo said:

I'm not quite sure where to start with this.

The concept of the government protecting people is nothing more than a quaint fantasy in a capitalist society and in a country run by a right wing government with a massive majority in Westminster or a nationalist government in Scotland who specialise in image management. There are millions of people who have slipped through the net, with no government support - a chef was on the news last week, started a new job on 8th March, laid off on the 19th, not eligible for any government support until May, which was less than a third of his usual wages. 

Or there's the newly self employed, no support for them. I was one of them - made £200 in April and May this year, and was just really lucky that I work in a job where it was relatively easy to get paid employment. Of course, the business is now as dead as a dodo, which might not have been the case if support was there.

And then we come to the rather dodgy ground that closing down businesses will reduce the spread. Now, if people were going to shops, hairdressers etc and licking each others faces, they may have a point. However, all these places are doing social distancing, insisting on face masks, etc, all the things we're told are essential to control the virus. So, if these measures are effective, why do businesses need closed down?

I completely agree with your first points and that is exactly the problem, this is what needs tackled. For me the way to tackle that is not to open the country up and cause the virus to spread more, just because the government aren't doing enough to support. 

As for the last, the measures in place are intended to mitigate, they will never fully curb the spread of the virus, if there was an easy reasonable way to stop the virus transmitting, businesses would do it. That's why additional restrictions are put in place, when the transmission is too much, more, harsher steps are taking to curb. 

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18 minutes ago, Hendo said:

I'm not quite sure where to start with this.

The concept of the government protecting people is nothing more than a quaint fantasy in a capitalist society and in a country run by a right wing government with a massive majority in Westminster or a nationalist government in Scotland who specialise in image management. There are millions of people who have slipped through the net, with no government support - a chef was on the news last week, started a new job on 8th March, laid off on the 19th, not eligible for any government support until May, which was less than a third of his usual wages. 

Or there's the newly self employed, no support for them. I was one of them - made £200 in April and May this year, and was just really lucky that I work in a job where it was relatively easy to get paid employment. Of course, the business is now as dead as a dodo, which might not have been the case if support was there.

And then we come to the rather dodgy ground that closing down businesses will reduce the spread. Now, if people were going to shops, hairdressers etc and licking each others faces, they may have a point. However, all these places are doing social distancing, insisting on face masks, etc, all the things we're told are essential to control the virus. So, if these measures are effective, why do businesses need closed down?

Key point, lost to both governments.

Again, I've mentioned plenty of times, lots of business's have gone above and beyond, not to say some haven't, yet get unfairly targeted with little evidence they contribute to the spread.

 

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Key point, lost to both governments.
Again, I've mentioned plenty of times, lots of business's have gone above and beyond, not to say some haven't, yet get unfairly targeted with little evidence they contribute to the spread.
 



I have heard, albeit second hand of folk when being asked for what premises they'd frequented giving false information to track and trace.

Also today we see folk being arrested for not supplying any information, trying to use the magna carta and common law in their defiance of the actual law.

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7 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:


 

 

 


I have heard, albeit second hand of folk when being asked for what premises they'd frequented giving false information to track and trace. emoji852.png

Also today we see folk being arrested for not supplying any information, trying to use the magna carta and common law in their defiance of the actual law. emoji23.png

 

 

That's fantastic. :blink:

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It shows nothing, apart from some hearsay and unsubstantiated words. 
Nice effort. :byebye
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54950773

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Bryan Simpson, who represents hospitality workers at the trade union Unite, said: “It’s hugely important for the health and safety of our members who work in hospitality that track and trace works as its supposed to.
“However, the woeful inadequacy of Government support for self-isolating workers, particularly those in precarious employment, means that there is very little incentive to give the correct information.


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32 minutes ago, Yflab said:

I reckon Baz will be called up to protect Queen and Country. Oaky will be his scientific advisor.
 

Surely they can’t be any worse than the cnuts that have gone before?

First thing I would do is fully pass power to the devolved governments to handle the pandemic including borrowing, second would be to make sure they ignore any of the new guys scientific advice. :whistle

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12 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54950773

Also

Bryan Simpson, who represents hospitality workers at the trade union Unite, said: “It’s hugely important for the health and safety of our members who work in hospitality that track and trace works as its supposed to.
“However, the woeful inadequacy of Government support for self-isolating workers, particularly those in precarious employment, means that there is very little incentive to give the correct information.

 

Two arrests. :lol:

So, no proof there has been "inadequate information".................................away and get a bigger shovel. :byebye

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prepare for a hard(er) lockdown over Christmas.

 

Schools/nurseries to close on or around 04/12 and level 4 for the rest of us from 07/12

schools re-open on 07/01/2021

Intention is for the NHS to get some breathing space to deal with the winter surge, expected COVID 19 surge and to prepare for mass-vaccination early in the new year.

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Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks! rage! blow!
You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout
Till you have drench'd our steeples, drown'd the cocks!
You sulphurous and thought-executing fires,
Vaunt-couriers to oak-cleaving thunderbolts,
Singe my white head! And thou, all-shaking thunder,
Smite flat the thick rotundity o' the world!
Crack nature's moulds, an germens spill at once,
That make ingrateful man!

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28 minutes ago, shull said:

 

What would be wrong with that

If  you own a plane then you decide who gets to fly in it  you are also responsible for the health of your workers and the travellers

same with a car, bus or taxi

that is total freedom for transportation service providers 

so I’m guessing you posted this to show your approval if Candace’s prophesy comes to pass

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31 minutes ago, antrin said:

From The Buffoon who said we had an OVEN-READY Deal with the EU... then said we'd get an Aussie deal dead easily... and has now stretched that to "maybe a Canada style deal"...

Who is still stupid enough to believe the stupid arse?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54958343

Most of your neighbours unfortunately.

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I guess I'm gonna be in the minority over this - but why?

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Covid in Scotland: Level 4 move 'could help ease rules at Christmas'

And that could lead to "less flexibility" for some limited easing of restrictions over the Christmas period - something she was "very keen to do".

With most businesses shut down at Christmas & New Year and some for the entire period it seems like an ideal time to impose stronger restrictions or is it an admission that people are gonna celebrate & break the rules anyway?

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