iTony Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Everything. It's got absolutely everything to do with it, he defended badly, made a mistake, his hand ended up in the place his body should have been and instead of clearing it with his body, did so with his elbow. The fact that you don't seem to grasp that slightly worries me and makes me wonder why I'm even bothering to debate it. It is good to read that you are finally acknowledging that the ball hit his elbow. However you are wrong when you said he "cleared it with his body, did so with his elbow." Did he "deliberately move his elbow into the direction of the ball"? I don't think he did. If he did then Colin Cameron has been clever but at no point did his hand and fingers move towards the ball. Anyway, it's good to see that a thread about the captaincy has been "hijacked" by people with an agenda... Edited July 26, 2015 by iTony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Did he put his hand on post to handball the ball?? No I don't care whether he put his hand on the post to stop the ball or not. He had deliberately put his hand in that position - why, I don't know: maybe it was because he was knackered and wanted to stop himself falling over - and his arm prevented the ball crossing the line. A penalty should have been awarded. It seems that everyone is out of step but 17/03/13! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) I don't care whether he put his hand on the post to stop the ball or not. He had deliberately put his hand in that position - why, I don't know: maybe it was because he was knackered and wanted to stop himself falling over - and his arm prevented the ball crossing the line. A penalty should have been awarded. It seems that everyone is out of step but 17/03/13! So every time a ball hits a hand/arm, its a penalty?? Good grief It shouldn't matter whether it's on goal line or half way line, it needs to be deliberate Edited July 26, 2015 by 17/03/13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iTony Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 So every time a ball hits a hand/arm, its a penalty?? Good grief It shouldn't matter whether it's on goal line or half way line, it needs to be deliberate I get the feeling you are wasting your time with people on here who do not seem to understand the game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Wow, wow, wow. For me, it is not a penalty therefore obviously not a red card. But for people to say it is a penalty but only a yellow is absolutely bewildering Lol mate I'd just crawl away and hide while you can. Your making a complete arse of yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 So every time a ball hits a hand/arm, its a penalty?? Good grief It shouldn't matter whether it's on goal line or half way line, it needs to be deliberate Cameron knew by keeping his arm there he was covering more area of the goal to stop it going in. He had enough time to try to mave his head towards the ball and made no attempt to move his arm away from the ball. Why was his arm there to keep him balanced while he tried to header it ? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iTony Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Lol mate I'd just crawl away and hide while you can. Your making a complete arse of yourself. Adding in personal abuse doesn't make you anymore correct you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 I get the feeling you are wasting your time with people on here who do not seem to understand the game... lol brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Adding in personal abuse doesn't make you anymore correct you know... it wasn't deliberate does that make it ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erskinebud Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Did he put his hand on post to handball the ball?? No Did he put his hand on the post and move an arm's length away from the same post to make the area he covered bigger? I'd say yes, and as the explanation says, this undoubtedly makes it a penalty and possible/probable red card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) So every time a ball hits a hand/arm, its a penalty?? Good grief It shouldn't matter whether it's on goal line or half way line, it needs to be deliberate ... and who decides if it is deliberate? In a split second? The referee. Assuming the referees in yesterday's game and the LC semi saw both incidents, one referee deemed Jim Goodwin's act to be deliberate handball and a penalty, but not a red card, and yesterday's ref deemed Colin Cameron's act to be nothing at all. On another day, another referee would see the same incident, give a penalty AND send Cameron off. Dice it up any way you like, at the end of the day it just comes down to opinions as to 'deliberate'. Our opinion, Cameron's opinion, the referee's opinion. In my opinion, it was a clear case of handball on the line and Cameron should have been shot at dawn for denying the 'washed up and finished' Thommo' a goal. Edited July 26, 2015 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 it wasn't deliberate does that make it ok? Yes. U complete arse!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Did he put his hand on the post and move an arm's length away from the same post to make the area he covered bigger? I'd say yes, and as the explanation says, this undoubtedly makes it a penalty and possible/probable red card. Still not deliberate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Check out the following explanation given by referees association as guidance for referees on "intent" and you should change your mind. Regarding handball they now ask the referee to consider the proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball, the speed of the ball and importantly whether the offender's arms are in a natural or unnatural position. So the question of intent is now, did the offender deliberately place his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him? If the answer to that is yes then it is correct to penalise that player even though it used to be argued that was ball to hand. Poz, read the middle paragraph again Edited July 26, 2015 by 17/03/13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Marvellous Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Not deliberate handball so no penalty/red card Since when was it only deliberate hand balls that merit a penalty? If a goal bound shot or header strikes any player (other than the goalie's) hand then it's a penalty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Since when was it only deliberate hand balls that merit a penalty? If a goal bound shot or header strikes any player (other than the goalie's) hand then it's a penalty! Not if you're holding onto the post, it's a new rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Since when was it only deliberate hand balls that merit a penalty? If a goal bound shot or header strikes any player (other than the goalie's) hand then it's a penalty! Eh....forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Back on topic... Thommo is captain, and that won't change. He's prime captain material. I don't think he should be starting every game, however (it's just not fair on him if we have to rely on him all the time). Still, he's club captain and that's all there is to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Poz, read the middle paragraph again I don't like to see insults thrown about but I have to agree with the above posters. You have indeed made an arse of yourself here. Your celebrating about "being right" as you didn't receive an answer after 5 minutes was particularly amusing! To answer your middle paragraph, the answer is yes. Cameron is putting his arm in a place that will keep the ball out of the net if he can't get his head to it....which he didn't. We might as well be having an argument about whether Thompson's first goal cross the line or not. Anyone got a slow motion video of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 For me... a "natural position" is missionary, but I don't like it. Naaaahhhh... "a natural position" is arms by side when standing and arms leading a jump by being in air. "Arms on post" is not "natural". Hands up all those who currently have their hands on a post! It is seeking to gain an advantage, which happened in this case. Should have been a penalty but I would not have liked to see a defender sent off for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Since when was it only deliberate hand balls that merit a penalty? If a goal bound shot or header strikes any player (other than the goalie's) hand then it's a penalty! Not according to the rule book it isn't. The position of the ball is irrelevant if it hits the hand. It isn't any more or less of a foul if it's in the centre circle or the goal line. Incidentally I thought it was a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Of course it was a penalty. His hands were up and away from his body in an unnatural position. The fact the melon who keeps asking people to read the middle paragraph doesn't understand that it's proving him wrong makes this particularly hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Still not deliberate His hand was there by accident then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 For the attn of 17/03/13: Former Premier League referee David Elleray said the referee's interpretation depends on whether the hand or arm is in an "unnatural" position at the point of contact. Referees often consult their assistants on decisions "Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport. "The challenging decisions are if the defending player spreads their arms to make themselves bigger. "If the ball hits the arm then the referee must decide whether this action was to deliberately block the ball or whether the player has raised their arms to protect themselves - especially if the ball is hit at speed." For the first bit , YES ,IT IS . For the second bit , why else was his arm there , certainly NOT to protect himself. Cameron was using all the experience he had to gain an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Ffs Colin Cameron is Mystic Meg shocker!! You guys actually think before the corner was took, he put his hand on the post so that he could handle the ball?! ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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