saint in exile Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: Should I have to? Edited to add... I sent my questions 3 days ago. I was told to expect a reply in 2 to 3 days and to contact them after that if no reply. I'm a patient soul! I sent in a question and got an answer within the hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 59 minutes ago, Kirkie said: Apologies. You said that you were interested in seeing the objects (aims) of the charity so I thought it might be helpful for you to have a link to them. Given that it is the social enterprise that is cited as the party that SMISA are dealing with, I assume that it is not actually the charity constituted by trust but rather a company limited by guarantee which is constituted by memorandum and articles of association. You can get that off the Companies House website if you wish but if you can't be bothered looking, I can tell you that the objects of the company are the same as those stated on the OSCR website that I linked. Are you associated with Kibble? if so, would you know if there it’s problem with making the text of the trust deed public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 hours ago, guinness said: I logged on to the site you vote on. Can I ask that Ms Sturgeon can use a similar site if we have another independence referendum?. Loads of items extolling the virtues of the new deal and only a YES button visible. If you have the temerity to vote NO you have to use a wee drop down box to uncover the NO button. Certainly not an even handed approach. Will there be independent verification of the voting numbers? I voted yesterday and had no such issue. Either option was quite easy to find and choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, Dickson said: You also want people to ignore the very real pitfall that is the enhanced veto rights that have been given to Kibble. I don't, I literally just referenced it. I want people to apply a degree of common sense to it. It isn't a "very real pitfall" in my opinion and that's based on the benefits of mutual growth in this arrangement. Whereas of course the risk exists, I imagine it would be very minimal that the parties will be pulling in different directions from what I've read. Your opinion is it's more significant and others are welcome to share that but for me there is a caveat that practically any subject you get involved in is all doom and gloom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkie Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: Are you associated with Kibble? if so, would you know if there it’s problem with making the text of the trust deed public No, I have absolutely no association with Kibble. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't provide the text of the trust deed. Charities are obliged to give a copy of their governing document and/or accounts to anyone that asks for them. You don't even need to give them a reason for asking although they are entitled to charge a reasonable fee for provision. However, in the case of a multi-million pound charity it would seem slightly churlish of them to charge! I'm not sure what would be considered a reasonable time for them to comply with the request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 You just know that if the vote succeeds there will be claims that it's fixed !!! SMFC will be here long after all of us are 6 foot under of that I'm certain so all this hot air is just that. What will be will be. Wish it was all done and dusted either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeabuddy Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 This thread will go back and forth with the same old posters posting the same old argument especially Dickson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Why are there a)reminders to vote going out and b)directors asking people to go onto to Facebook to back the deal. Low voting g?They are shitting themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Having had recent communication with both can i just say that an endorsement from either should read like a loud siren to anyone with a brain in their head!or Baz! [emoji850][emoji12] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 I shared two of your posts that show you favoured governance to not allow the vote over the support for some of the most vulnerable in our community. You had more concern for the source of the money than the people it benefited. That wasn’t what I said or what I was referencing. This was a subsequent vote to the normal three month spend, keep up. Really, have you convinced yourself what's in your head is right, and what's written down is false. Get help but seriously sort yourself out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 I still don't recall it that way but memory can be a funny thing. Obviously one of us is wrong but, to be honest, it doesn't matter enough to me to look into it, I'm just happy that SG voted the way he did, for whatever reason.Just because we remember differently doesn't mean one of us has to be wrong Slarti! [emoji12]The important thing is learning from it.Mr Positivity sees negligible danger in the veto.Dickson has rightly highlighted that had the veto been in place the outcome could have been very different.Despite claiming to be passionate about the outcome back then and willing to give up his season ticket (as was I and I told SG as much), Mr Positivity is willing to put the club in the same danger all over again.Irony, hypocrisy or a mixture?Lines are blurred with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 I sent in a question and got an answer within the hour.Very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said: It does. It could be both of us, but at least one of us has to be wrong. "Could" have been different, you are right, but there is absolutely no way to quantify it. A lot of things are possible but, without certainty, all anyone can do is try and work out the likelihood of each presented scenario. Unfortunately, there are those with agendas (on both sides) who will try and present their own case as fact without having anything to back it up. Baz is the usual suspect on the forum but, in this case, LPM has been the one most guilty of it. I'm still waiting on answers to the questions I asked him days ago about the things he asserted as fact. I won't hold my breath. Anyway, nice to have a civilised discussion on here, for a change. It's a fact Kibble are not investing in St Mirren,they are just buying shares from GS, thereby breaking the GS/Smisa agreement.The cash is going to the Chairman ,who until he says otherwise, will not be investing any of the cash into the club. It's a fact that this minority shareholder has demanded veto rights in the running of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 It's a fact Kibble are not investing in St Mirren,they are just buying shares from GS, thereby breaking the GS/Smisa agreement.The cash is going to the Chairman ,who until he says otherwise, will not be investing any of the cash into the club. It's a fact that this minority shareholder has demanded veto rights in the running of the club.Dont be bringing facts to a propaganda campaign.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 It does. It could be both of us, but at least one of us has to be wrong."Could" have been different, you are right, but there is absolutely no way to quantify it. A lot of things are possible but, without certainty, all anyone can do is try and work out the likelihood of each presented scenario. Unfortunately, there are those with agendas (on both sides) who will try and present their own case as fact without having anything to back it up.Baz is the usual suspect on the forum but, in this case, LPM has been the one most guilty of it. I'm still waiting on answers to the questions I asked him days ago about the things he asserted as fact. I won't hold my breath.Anyway, nice to have a civilised discussion on here, for a change. [emoji38]In the picture I posted, which one is wrong?I love civilised debate and discussion. I am even, despite how it might seem on here, willing to listen to all viewpoints.That's how you learn. That's how you grow.You can disagree without being disagreeable.Certain other posters cannot.Despite protestations, they are no less than antagonistic master baiting keyboard warriors with mental health issues! Back to the matter on hand tho Slarti...Fear not... I respect your right to be wrong![emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji12] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 So when do we find out the result of the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 So when do we find out the result of the vote. They could probably tell you now... But that would be bad pr! [emoji50][emoji850] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: 3 hours ago, waldorf34 said: It's a fact Kibble are not investing in St Mirren,they are just buying shares from GS, thereby breaking the GS/Smisa agreement.The cash is going to the Chairman ,who until he says otherwise, will not be investing any of the cash into the club. It's a fact that this minority shareholder has demanded veto rights in the running of the club. Dont be bringing facts to a propaganda campaign.lol Could be worse ,I see the Fans Council are having their Burns Supper on Valentine's day, great planning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 I read that SMISA are paying the legal fees, Why would this be so if the deal is between GS and Kibble. Could be I’m mistaken but if not then , why are SMISA paying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Could be worse ,I see the Fans Council are having their Burns Supper on Valentine's day, great planning!I see they are dishing out free tickets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 I read that SMISA are paying the legal fees, Why would this be so if the deal is between GS and Kibble. Could be I’m mistaken but if not then , why are SMISA payingBecause Gordon says... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr rotund Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 18 hours ago, Dickson said: I have acknowledged that I think the partnership with Kibble will, on balance, be a good thing for the club. Is that not me being positive about the deal? You think you are being positive, but to be honest I think you are being reckless and cavalier. You want everyone to ignore the pitfalls and to drive through this proposal on the basis of trust no matter how the legal agreement is drafted. Are you like that with decisions that involve your own personal finances, or just the things that are being paid for by everyone else? Are you still calling yourself a customer or have you got fed up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: Legal fees need paid to draft another agreement between SMiSA and GLS. Why GLS isn't (apparently) paying anything towards it I have no idea. Kibble have nothing to do with it. I would presume that GLS and Kibble are paying any legal fees they have in regards to the sale by GLS to Kibble. Kibble have nothing to do with it? Seriously? Did SMISA propose this arrangement without the support of the membership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 17 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: Just because we remember differently doesn't mean one of us has to be wrong Slarti! The important thing is learning from it. Mr Positivity sees negligible danger in the veto. Dickson has rightly highlighted that had the veto been in place the outcome could have been very different. Despite claiming to be passionate about the outcome back then and willing to give up his season ticket (as was I and I told SG as much), Mr Positivity is willing to put the club in the same danger all over again. Irony, hypocrisy or a mixture? Lines are blurred with him! Excellent example of a dialectic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Kibble have nothing to do with it? Seriously? Did SMISA propose this arrangement without the support of the membership?Whoever is making money out of it should pay... that's the best one liner I've ever written lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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