Speculation Thread

[NB18 224]

New goalie signed today

[Cornwall_Saint 4,024]

1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

No I wasn’t “Fakes wanted to keep him” In other words the team, I was referring to them offering a new contract. That’s just pure word spinning from you. But TBH Tommy Wright would be the first opinion I’d go for in Scottish football regarding him at the fakes last season, certainly ahead of any St Johnstone fan. Same as I would take people like Gus, Tony and Goody’s opinion if they’ve evaluated the player over any St Mirren fan.

I personally think Watt would be a step up on Danny and Cooke, potentially on Morias as well, although he is showing shades of his ability. Comparing Cooke scoring in one game to Watt is irrelevant, I already said he isn’t an out and out goal scorer. Also, that hat-trick definitely has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

I don’t slate Obika, can be frustrating at times but like Morias I think he’s very close to being a really good player for us.

That’s your opinion, I think he will and as above, I’ll trust the people at the club over the fans who have very likely seen much less of him.

Actually fair enough, you didny mention the word “fans”, I’ve just re-checked.

I do disagree with your hat trick comment though. He’s the first and only player to score one in the top flight for us since Thompson, and I canny even remember who managed a similar feat before Thommo. It’s most definitely not “pinch of salt”.

The same people at the club tried landing Miller (apart from obviously Goodwin) and May - both were/are shite signings as we’ve seen at their respected clubs. Of course it’s just football, they ain’t going to get it right 100% of the time and I’m not going to claim otherwise. For every Djorkaeff there’s a McLoughlin. I do believe Watt would be a mistake though.

[bazil85 3,150]

1 hour ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Actually fair enough, you didny mention the word “fans”, I’ve just re-checked.

I do disagree with your hat trick comment though. He’s the first and only player to score one in the top flight for us since Thompson, and I canny even remember who managed a similar feat before Thommo. It’s most definitely not “pinch of salt”.

The same people at the club tried landing Miller (apart from obviously Goodwin) and May - both were/are shite signings as we’ve seen at their respected clubs. Of course it’s just football, they ain’t going to get it right 100% of the time and I’m not going to claim otherwise. For every Djorkaeff there’s a McLoughlin. I do believe Watt would be a mistake though.

Actually fair enough, you didny mention the word “fans”, I’ve just re-checked.

I do disagree with your hat trick comment though. He’s the first and only player to score one in the top flight for us since Thompson, and I canny even remember who managed a similar feat before Thommo. It’s most definitely not “pinch of salt”.

That’s fine, I personally don’t think the keeper or defenders will want to see any of the goals back, amateur mistakes for at least two.

The same people at the club tried landing Miller (apart from obviously Goodwin) and May - both were/are shite signings as we’ve seen at their respected clubs. Of course it’s just football, they ain’t going to get it right 100% of the time and I’m not going to claim otherwise. For every Djorkaeff there’s a McLoughlin. I do believe Watt would be a mistake though.

Could argue the same people also landed Popescu, Hladky, Foley, Muzek, Dreyer . If credit is to be taken away from players linked to the club (we’ll never know if either of them would have been a success at St Mirren), it has to be given for the good ones. You’re right though there is no easy formula in signing players. I think Watt is a suitable enough gamble, will he pay off? Time would tell.

[Cornwall_Saint 4,024]

47 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

That’s fine, I personally don’t think the keeper or defenders will want to see any of the goals back, amateur mistakes for at least two.

 

Could argue the same people also landed Popescu, Hladky, Foley, Muzek, Dreyer . If credit is to be taken away from players linked to the club (we’ll never know if either of them would have been a success at St Mirren), it has to be given for the good ones. You’re right though there is no easy formula in signing players. I think Watt is a suitable enough gamble, will he pay off? Time would tell.

Either way a hat trick is a hat trick and if errors were being made, then credit to Cody for being in the right place. That’s what you want from a striker, someone who knows where to be when it matters. People keep going on about Obika and the ball smacking off him into the goal - simple fact is he knows where to be when it matters most.

Its exactly why I said for every Djorkaeff there’s a McLoughlin. I wasn’t having a full on dig at the management team, hence why I mentioned Sam. I did try to strongly imply no management team gets it right all the time. The only one I’ll have a dig at is Stubbs because most of the guys he signed are playing non-league football in England now.

[Lord Pityme 6,722]

Either way a hat trick is a hat trick and if errors were being made, then credit to Cody for being in the right place. That’s what you want from a striker, someone who knows where to be when it matters. People keep going on about Obika and the ball smacking off him into the goal - simple fact is he knows where to be when it matters most.
Its exactly why I said for every Djorkaeff there’s a McLoughlin. I wasn’t having a full on dig at the management team, hence why I mentioned Sam. I did try to strongly imply no management team gets it right all the time. The only one I’ll have a dig at is Stubbs because most of the guys he signed are playing non-league football in England now.

Cooke, Coulson, Jones, Hodson, Willock ... not playing non league football.

[Cornwall_Saint 4,024]

14 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

23 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Either way a hat trick is a hat trick and if errors were being made, then credit to Cody for being in the right place. That’s what you want from a striker, someone who knows where to be when it matters. People keep going on about Obika and the ball smacking off him into the goal - simple fact is he knows where to be when it matters most.
Its exactly why I said for every Djorkaeff there’s a McLoughlin. I wasn’t having a full on dig at the management team, hence why I mentioned Sam. I did try to strongly imply no management team gets it right all the time. The only one I’ll have a dig at is Stubbs because most of the guys he signed are playing non-league football in England now.

Cooke, Coulson, Jones, Hodson, Willock ... not playing non league football.

In fairness four of those guys were loanees, and the other is still with us (the one remaining Stubbs signing).

It was more aimed at the permanent signings like Kpekawa and Heaton.

[Cornwall_Saint 4,024]

2 hours ago, NB18 said:

New goalie signed today

Goodwin’s words according to the Daily Record:

He's got fantastic attributes. He's around 6 foot 4 and Jamie Langfield likes the look of him. Technically he's got a lot to do and a lot to learn. He's a long way off playing for our first team.

[Ayrshire Saints 4,405]

200k for a guy almost out of contract get real ! It will be "nominal fee" it he goes this window likely sub 50k.

my take on recent speculation. 
 
Nothing short of £200k for P McGinn or I’d be disappointed 
would be happy with Watt, fakes wanted to keep him this season, tells me he could probably do a job. 
 
hopefully a right back lined up if McGinn goes and with the cash, would love to see a left back, someone to plug the Maggenis gap and maybe an out and out striker which Watt isn’t really. 

[Spam_Valley 508]

200k for Paul McGinn 😂😂

[DumboBud 546]

1 hour ago, Spam_Valley said:

200k for Paul McGinn 😂😂

Letting him go will raise a six figure sum that will help increase the wage bill by nearly 20%.  

I wonder where we heard that sort of nonsense before. 🤔

[bazil85 3,150]

15 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Either way a hat trick is a hat trick and if errors were being made, then credit to Cody for being in the right place. That’s what you want from a striker, someone who knows where to be when it matters. People keep going on about Obika and the ball smacking off him into the goal - simple fact is he knows where to be when it matters most.

Its exactly why I said for every Djorkaeff there’s a McLoughlin. I wasn’t having a full on dig at the management team, hence why I mentioned Sam. I did try to strongly imply no management team gets it right all the time. The only one I’ll have a dig at is Stubbs because most of the guys he signed are playing non-league football in England now.

I agree a hat trick is a hat trick and don’t want to take anything away from him. My point is in using that single game as a benchmark in comparing a possible signing. If we want to look at stuff in isolation, Watt scored six goals in nine league games last season for the Fakes. When was the last saints player to score six in nine? i agree on Obika. 
 

I will go with whatever the management think, if they want Watt, great, I can definitely see why he’d be on the radar. Does it mean he’ll be a success? As you’ve eluded to, no. 

[bazil85 3,150]

13 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

200k for a guy almost out of contract get real ! It will be "nominal fee" it he goes this window likely sub 50k.

If it’s a nominal fee I would be saying no, this is my point. I’d rather keep him until the summer if we’re only getting a silly wee fee. 
 

To clarify, I’m not saying that will be the case, I’m saying I would be very disappointed if we let him go for less. 

[bazil85 3,150]

13 hours ago, Spam_Valley said:

200k for Paul McGinn 😂😂

Would you be happy with a small fee for him or would you rather keep him? I’d have thought this was a no brainier giving how important a player he’s been 

[ScotstounSaint 434]

I agree a hat trick is a hat trick and don’t want to take anything away from him. My point is in using that single game as a benchmark in comparing a possible signing. If we want to look at stuff in isolation, Watt scored six goals in nine league games last season for the Fakes. When was the last saints player to score six in nine? i agree on Obika. 
 
I will go with whatever the management think, if they want Watt, great, I can definitely see why he’d be on the radar. Does it mean he’ll be a success? As you’ve eluded to, no. 

Where are you seeing that? Looks to me like Watt scored just 3 league goals for the Fakes, and that he's scored just 11 league goals in total over the last 4 years!

[Cornwall_Saint 4,024]

1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

If we want to look at stuff in isolation, Watt scored six goals in nine league games last season for the Fakes

Did he?

[bazil85 3,150]

9 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Did he?

Six goals in opening nine games sorry, not league only. 

1 - Montrose

1 - Forfar

1 - Hibs

2 - QOS

1 - Dundee

Still a better start than any St Mirren player of the last two seasons as far as I can see. 

[bazil85 3,150]

30 minutes ago, ScotstounSaint said:

1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

I agree a hat trick is a hat trick and don’t want to take anything away from him. My point is in using that single game as a benchmark in comparing a possible signing. If we want to look at stuff in isolation, Watt scored six goals in nine league games last season for the Fakes. When was the last saints player to score six in nine? i agree on Obika. 
 
I will go with whatever the management think, if they want Watt, great, I can definitely see why he’d be on the radar. Does it mean he’ll be a success? As you’ve eluded to, no. 

Where are you seeing that? Looks to me like Watt scored just 3 league goals for the Fakes, and that he's scored just 11 league goals in total over the last 4 years!

Six goals in opening nine games sorry, not league only. 

1 - Montrose

1 - Forfar

1 - Hibs

2 - QOS

1 - Dundee

Still a better start than any St Mirren player of the last two seasons as far as I can see. 

[ScotstounSaint 434]

Six goals in opening nine games sorry, not league only. 

1 - Montrose

1 - Forfar

1 - Hibs

2 - QOS

1 - Dundee

Still a better start than any St Mirren player of the last two seasons as far as I can see. 

Ah. In my opinion you can't interpret much from goals against Montrose, Forfar, QotS, etc. Obika could well score a barrel load against them on a nice Autumn evening.
Watt's league record for the Fakes was 22 starts, 7 subs, 3 goals. Pretty bad.

[Lord Pityme 6,722]

Six goals in opening nine games sorry, not league only. 
1 - Montrose
1 - Forfar
1 - Hibs
2 - QOS
1 - Dundee
Still a better start than any St Mirren player of the last two seasons as far as I can see. 

So ONE league goal ffs... how can we resist such a marksman? Ffs

[Steg87 0]

Hi everyone, just posting for the first time, so go easy on me.

Talking about Strikers....would Goodwille not be a good shout? I know he has problems but seems to be banging them in for Clyde and I would imagine he would be cheapish to buy?

[kevo_smfc 1,810]

3 minutes ago, Steg87 said:

Hi everyone, just posting for the first time, so go easy on me.

Talking about Strikers....would Goodwille not be a good shout? I know he has problems but seems to be banging them in for Clyde and I would imagine he would be cheapish to buy?

He just signed a 3 year extension recently with Clyde. Looks like he's happy to stay out of the limelight and play in the lower leagues. 

[bazil85 3,150]

 

45 minutes ago, ScotstounSaint said:

Ah. In my opinion you can't interpret much from goals against Montrose, Forfar, QotS, etc. Obika could well score a barrel load against them on a nice Autumn evening.
Watt's league record for the Fakes was 22 starts, 7 subs, 3 goals. Pretty bad.

Well yes, that's exactly my point. Did you read the message this was in relation to? Cornwell was saying about Cooke's Dundee hat-trick, I was saying you can't look at that in isolation unless you want to look at things like the above in isolation. (Which I don't think we should)

43 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

Six goals in opening nine games sorry, not league only. 
1 - Montrose
1 - Forfar
1 - Hibs
2 - QOS
1 - Dundee
Still a better start than any St Mirren player of the last two seasons as far as I can see. 

So ONE league goal ffs... how can we resist such a marksman? Ffs

Two league goals, way to miss my points though. 

1. He isn't an out and out goalscorer, my view is still he'd add value. Us "needing" a goalscorer doesn't mean we ignore other players that can add to the squad. 

2. It was in response to a comment looking at Cooke's hat-trick in isolation

3. It's still better than any St Mirren striker has started the last two seasons, against arguably some poorer opponents. 

It's still just my opinion Watt will add value, I don't need people to agree with me on that. 

Edited January 28 by bazil85

[faraway saint 28,934]

3 hours ago, bazil85 said:

Would you be happy with a small fee for him or would you rather keep him? I’d have thought this was a no brainier giving how important a player he’s been 

Stop trying, as usual, to change the goalposts asking if people would be happy, people are laughing at your valuation.

We've more chance getting £200k for you. 🤣

[Ayrshire Saints 4,405]

Even if he was a month into a 3 year contract, McGinn still wouldn't be worth 200k. Some people live in cloud cuckoo land. As for Watt it would smack of a lazy signing and fly in the face of the "systems" we claim to be using (oh and he is pretty meh !)

[bazil85 3,150]

1 minute ago, faraway saint said:

Stop trying, as usual, to change the goalposts asking if people would be happy, people are laughing at your valuation.

We've more chance getting £200k for you. 🤣

This thread just proves the mentality of some on here now, regardless of what I post people will jump on it. 

"Nothing short of £200k for P McGinn or I’d be disappointed"

However in posting that part of my original message regarding this, you'll see (yet again) I have not moved the goalposts. Anything less than that, I'd keep him, he is one of the most consistent and important team members at the club. My view is less than £200k," sorry Paul, away you pop in the summer not now."