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Ipswich Town - Permission to Speak with Jack Ross

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2 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

Aye , thats it right enough.   JR punted 43 league goals !!  FFS you really are a f**kin tool.   Remind me how many goals that lot scored for saints ? 

Can you not do it? My calculator broke with the last calculation..... :rolleyes: 

ETA - 16 goals. There did it for you....

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22 minutes ago, StuD said:

It says that I've been unfair to Ryan Hardie and only counted his goals since January. The figure should actually be 43 - and Shankland only accounts for 26 since I've only counted league goals. 

Either way you are certainly very good at abusing statistics.

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11 minutes ago, StuD said:

I'm glad I did it - it made you look stupid. 

Jack Ross punted 43 league goals and replaced them with Storie, Fjelde and Loy. Loy has scored 1 league goal this season. Craig Storie had a great season at Brechin where he hasn't managed a single league appearance. And Pal Fjelde is recovering from being released from a team in the Faroe Islands and is gearing up for a summer season in the Norwegian Third Division. 

Stu, every club  in Scotland bring/brought in players that didn't work for a number of reasons.  Even Celtic paid big money for GMS and Cifti who basically bombed.  We operate at a different level so a lot of our recruitment is free transfer or out if contract.  Shankland was uninterested and overweight and Loy did a  good job before opting for Falkirk. Name me a manager who has succeeded with every player brought in?  Do you think Man Utd fans think Pogba or Sanchez have delivered based on reputation and price tag?

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Just now, nedflanders123 said:

Stu, every club  in Scotland bring/brought in players that didn't work for a number of reasons.  Even Celtic paid big money for GMS and Cifti who basically bombed.  We operate at a different level so a lot of our recruitment is free transfer or out if contract.  Shankland was uninterested and overweight and Loy discs good job before opting for Falkirk. Name me a manager who has succeeded with every player brought in?  Do you think Man Utd fans think Pogba or Sanchez have delivered based on reputation and price tag?

Of course, but that wasn't my point. I was admitting my initial criticism of Jack Ross and his personal performance as manager up to the end of January 2017 and justifying it. Those first three transfers in and out absolutely highlights some of the poor decisions he was making at that time.  Indeed it wasn't until it became clear that the Kyle McAllister deal to Derby was going through and that more cash was available that Jack Ross started to make signings that actually had a positive impact. He signed McGinn and Smith, and then followed that with Davis and Eckersley. 

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8 minutes ago, munoz said:

This says it all.

Posted just after he got rid of players who would score 43 goals the following season and replaced them with three numpties who between them have scored 1 goal this season - one of whom hasn't managed a league appearance for the worst Championship side ever, and another who was freed from a Faroe Island club and who now plays in the third tier in Norway. As I've said my criticism at that time was perfectly valid. 

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1 minute ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

Stuart Dickwad. The only person who thinks that 3 goals a season man Tom Walsh should not have been released . emoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.png

St Mirren's top goalscorer at the time and who impressed enough at a poor Dumbarton side that he's got himself a contract at Inverness for next season. Do you want me to go over Craig Storie and Pal Fjelde's subsequent record yet again? 

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Of course he can't remember writing it. This may be the reason.

https://www.scienceofpeople.com/9-things-know-liars/

#7 Memories of Liars

For the majority of people, lying about an event increased their certainty that the event in question did not happen when asked about it later.

However, ten to sixteen percent of the participants appeared to have had their memories altered by their lies because they reported believing their lies were actually true. Researchers Believe that in those cases telling lies wields the same power as the imagination to alter memories.

Very clearly imagining events can trick the brain into labeling them as memories.


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10 minutes ago, StuD said:

St Mirren's top goalscorer at the time and who impressed enough at a poor Dumbarton side that he's got himself a contract at Inverness for next season. Do you want me to go over Craig Storie and Pal Fjelde's subsequent record yet again? 

My comments ALL relate to the three players you put forward as these wonderful goalscorers released by Saints  (32 goals in lower leagues  :lol:)  I made no comment on the other players.... but you knew that anyway , just another pathetic attempt at trolling from a sad & lonely specimen.

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6 hours ago, StuD said:

Ofcourse you can. Back in the 70's clubs didn't run large expensive youth academies. They couldn't sign a youngster on an S'Form until they were at least 14 years old.  These days you've got a system where kids are attached and training with senior clubs at the age of 8 - usually the fastest, tallest, strongest kids at that age - and they get released by the age of 10 or 11 because their peers have grown where they haven't. And today if you don't have a club by the time you are 13 or 14 you're on the soccer scrapheap cause no-one that runs an academy is going to bother scouting your football matches no matter how good or how successful your team is. 

Back then St Mirren didn't have a huge network of scouts. Fergie had contacts who would give him the names of players he should have a look at and Fergie ensured he got people there to watch them. 

These days players as young as 13 years old command transfer fees - one as high as £2m. Back in the 70's that was impossible. 

All true

On Fergie he simply picked up the players who weren't any use to Rangers ie RCs

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1 minute ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

My comments ALL relate to the three players you put forward as these wonderful goalscorers released by Saints  (32 goals in lower leagues  :lol:)  I made no comment on the other players.... but you knew that anyway , just another pathetic attempt at trolling from a sad & lonely specimen.

Ryan Hardie scored more goals for Livingston against St Mirren this season than Rory Loy did for Falkirk in all his matches combined this season. Even Tom Walsh playing for the second worst side in the division managed to score as many goals for Dumbarton against St Mirren this season as Rory Loy did in 16 league games for Falkirk. 

What's even more ridiculous is that those signings were probably the ones funded by SMISA members. 

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1 hour ago, StuD said:

I'm glad I did it - it made you look stupid. 

Jack Ross punted 43 league goals and replaced them with Storie, Fjelde and Loy. Loy has scored 1 league goal this season. Craig Storie had a great season at Brechin where he hasn't managed a single league appearance. And Pal Fjelde is recovering from being released from a team in the Faroe Islands and is gearing up for a summer season in the Norwegian Third Division. 

I'm quite glad Jack "punted" out those loanees who had us sitting miles adrift at the bottom. I'm even happier the replacements he did get in lead us to an amazing survival and many would go on to help us lift the title this year. You know, the ones he kept past the summer.

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1 minute ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I'm quite glad Jack "punted" out those loanees who had us sitting miles adrift at the bottom. I'm even happier the replacements he did get in lead us to an amazing survival and many would go on to help us lift the title this year. You know, the ones he kept past the summer.

As I've already accepted  - when the Kyle McAllister deal was concluded (or at least as near as damn it) Ross made some excellent signings. His first real successes of that transfer window. Smith, McGinn, Eckersley and - to a slightly lesser extent because of injury - Davis all played a big part in turning the club around. 

I too was glad when he started signing decent players it just took a hell of a long time to get to that point, all the while St Mirren kept on losing. I wasn't so happy at the loss of Hardie and Walsh both of whom I thought had ability, and the loss of Shankland who had clearly scored plenty of goals the season before but who was clearly low on confidence. 

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40 minutes ago, StuD said:

Ryan Hardie scored more goals for Livingston against St Mirren this season than Rory Loy did for Falkirk in all his matches combined this season. Even Tom Walsh playing for the second worst side in the division managed to score as many goals for Dumbarton against St Mirren this season as Rory Loy did in 16 league games for Falkirk. 

What's even more ridiculous is that those signings were probably the ones funded by SMISA members. 

Who gives a f**k what they've done THIS season,  they were signed by us for last season and every one of them played their part in keeping us in the championship.

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As I've already accepted  - when the Kyle McAllister deal was concluded (or at least as near as damn it) Ross made some excellent signings. His first real successes of that transfer window. Smith, McGinn, Eckersley and - to a slightly lesser extent because of injury - Davis all played a big part in turning the club around. 
I too was glad when he started signing decent players it just took a hell of a long time to get to that point, all the while St Mirren kept on losing. I wasn't so happy at the loss of Hardie and Walsh both of whom I thought had ability, and the loss of Shankland who had clearly scored plenty of goals the season before but who was clearly low on confidence. 
Shankland, if I remember correctly, went to our fragrant neighbours and stank the place out. Walsh will be plying his trade in lower leagues this year. Hardie may however get his chance in the top league.
Yes, Jack made mistakes in the transfer market the same as every manager, but by and large he's had more successes than failures . You mention that the McAllister money funded this. To me a manager who can revolutionise a team with the money made from selling a player who had made 17 appearances has something about them. He's not Alex Ferguson but then who is? He is however an excellent manager. You say that it took a hell of a long time to get to the point of us winning games. This was his first transfer window, the shambles he inherited being down to the previous 2 managers.

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16 minutes ago, st jock said:

Shankland, if I remember correctly, went to our fragrant neighbours and stank the place outemoji1.png. Walsh will be plying his trade in lower leagues this year. Hardie may however get his chance in the top league.
Yes, Jack made mistakes in the transfer market the same as every manager, but by and large he's had more successes than failures . You mention that the McAllister money funded this. To me a manager who can revolutionise a team with the money made from selling a player who had made 17 appearances has something about them. He's not Alex Ferguson but then who is? He is however an excellent manager. You say that it took a hell of a long time to get to the point of us winning games. This was his first transfer window, the shambles he inherited being down to the previous 2 managers.

He also inherited a dressing room atmosphere that resembled a bunch of random people at a funeral rather than a team. That atmosphere had to change if we were going to survive and perhaps allowing Shanks/Hardie/Walsh to go was part of the improvement. When players spoke of the "feel in the dressing room" come summer it was one of the reasons some of them were delighted to sign on in the summer after their original shorter spells.

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I have Dickson on ignore but going from the quoted posts his logic is utterly baffling, even by his batshit crazy standards.

I'm not sure which bit I like most - comparing the goal return of two strikers and a winger/attacking midfielder with a striker, a holding midfielder and a midfielder/defender, or comparing how many goals the three departed players have scored this season with how many goals the other players have scored for clubs that aren't St Mirren, as if that is somehow relevant.

Looking forward to his next hot take where he compares Lionel Messi's assists with Craig Samsons clean sheets.

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Why even entertain someone who:

A: Says that he isn't a St Mirren supporter,
B: Said he was giving up on Scottish football completely,
C: Constantly makes up stuff,
D: Constantly makes up stuff that contradicts the other stuff that he made up,
E: Wants babies to die and
F: Is a whiney wee bitch?

Just asking.

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1 hour ago, st jock said:

Shankland, if I remember correctly, went to our fragrant neighbours and stank the place outemoji1.png. Walsh will be plying his trade in lower leagues this year. Hardie may however get his chance in the top league.
Yes, Jack made mistakes in the transfer market the same as every manager, but by and large he's had more successes than failures . You mention that the McAllister money funded this. To me a manager who can revolutionise a team with the money made from selling a player who had made 17 appearances has something about them. He's not Alex Ferguson but then who is? He is however an excellent manager. You say that it took a hell of a long time to get to the point of us winning games. This was his first transfer window, the shambles he inherited being down to the previous 2 managers.

Really? Walsh has signed for Inverness Caley Thistle. They are in the same league that St Mirren signed him to play in. Shankland is still an Ayr United player - they've been promoted to the Championship - the same league he scored 10 goals for St Mirren in. And Hardie is still a Rangers player. He may even get his chance of playing in Europe this year. 

Ross has had more failures than successes in the transfer market. It's not hard to count them up. And finally the "shambles he inherited" was a squad that many St Mirren fans believed would be in contention for promotion last season and argued blind with me that I was wrong when I was critical of the St Mirren performance in the 3-2 win over Livingston in the League Cup in the first match of that season. 

 

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43 minutes ago, Stu said:

I have Dickson on ignore but going from the quoted posts his logic is utterly baffling, even by his batshit crazy standards.

I'm not sure which bit I like most - comparing the goal return of two strikers and a winger/attacking midfielder with a striker, a holding midfielder and a midfielder/defender, or comparing how many goals the three departed players have scored this season with how many goals the other players have scored for clubs that aren't St Mirren, as if that is somehow relevant.

Looking forward to his next hot take where he compares Lionel Messi's assists with Craig Samsons clean sheets.

I'm hearing that Craig Samsons sheets aren't that clean..... :rolleyes: 

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42 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Why even entertain someone who:

A: Says that he isn't a St Mirren supporter,
B: Said he was giving up on Scottish football completely,
C: Constantly makes up stuff,
D: Constantly makes up stuff that contradicts the other stuff that he made up,
E: Wants babies to die and
F: Is a whiney wee bitch?

Just asking.

You made these three up. :rolleyes: 

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