saintnextlifetime Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 The question being, does this present judgement bring us any closer to the ultimate demise of the current incarnation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gosport Buddie Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 "The issue, however, may not be settled. David Murray may choose to appeal against the ruling to the Supreme Court. If he does, a final ruling in the case may still be years away. In the meantime, the judgement will have no financial impact on Rangers because the tax liability remains with the 'oldco' which went into liquidation." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34726283 He's got to appeal. He's looking at possibly owing the taxman, tax om £6.3M plus interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Did Murray not use the same EBTs in his other businesses, too? If so, then he might well appeal. That's if he, legally, can since he's not been involved with oldco since this (the court case) began.As mentioned above, HMRC have got the judgement they sought, clearly laid out by law lords who cut through the bullshit surrounding all schemes such as EBTs.If someone does a job and reward is made for doing that job then all the money should be duly taxed. (This will have repercussions and play well for HMRC in a multitude of other unrelated cases). The law lords have cut through the Gordian knot that misled the earlier FTT and UTTT (and also Lord Nimmo Smith's) convoluted investigations, asserting "common-sense". For this to go to a Supreme Court, there must be some twist of law, some shades of meaning, some misuse of words to be disputed. The Law Lords have utterly dismissed the shitey performances and outcomes of all three aforementioned case analyses. They have cut to the chase. There are none of the nuances available to be twisted by crafty tax specialist lawyers. I'm a complete amateur; this is just my humble opinion; this latest judgement has a clarity and finality about it. I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintargyll Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 https://twitter.com/DonWillieMiller/status/662013305918267392 One ex-player has started the revolt already things are going to get messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMcD Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 On this occasion I've got to congratulate said old pedantic git and agree everything he has said here. I've mentioned in the past that I have had some experience of EBT schemes in the past and I was staggered at the first two verdicts. Quite unbelievable. I hope HMRC goes for the jugular not because I believe it will affect the new crowd of assholes ( though I hope it does) but I think there will be a lot of juicy disclosures and ' but ah didnae ken' excuses. They aw kent fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 The scottish football authorities will try and sweep this away, say it sits firmly at the door of Oldco as they do not want to feck up their second biggest financial contributor again. They rolled over the last time, they will again. UEFA however will not be so forgiving! The deid club played in their competitions, sacked Manchester all whilst fielding inelligble players due to violations of their home country's tax regime. This will force a very unwilling Sciottish football establishment to act and punish the deid club, or face punishment themselves! And thats nice! On another front if King is convicted next month in his spat with Ashley, will that affect the 'fit & proper' assessment the SPFL/SFA passed on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsons dropped it Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 https://twitter.com/DonWillieMiller/status/662013305918267392 One ex-player has started the revolt already things are going to get messy Well done The 'Tache....... On another note, R*****s saw fit to say yesterday in an official statement that The Big Tax Case had "Nothing to do with them"..... Meanwhile in the same breath saying they cannot take "Our Titles"..... Not the same Club then... Unbelievable . Same two faced lying b******s they have always been. Get the Titles off them and chuck them in the bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintargyll Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 reading that some fans are saying that the tainted titles were won on the pitch hmmm..... if Lewis Hamilton was found to have an extra "turbo booster" in his car which wasnt disclosed to gain extra speed over his "equal" competitors then he would be stripped of his title for cheating...yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irvine_buddie Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) reading that some fans are saying that the tainted titles were won on the pitch hmmm..... if Lewis Hamilton was found to have an extra "turbo booster" in his car which wasnt disclosed to gain extra speed over his "equal" competitors then he would be stripped of his title for cheating...yes? Not sure if I'd call Kenny Miller a 'turbo-booster' but if he wasn't offered large wages to move from Derby to Rangers due to an EBT we probably would have won the league cup in 2010 ETA - No idea of he was one of the ones who had an EBT.. but fook them anyway Edited November 5, 2015 by irvine_buddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Not sure if I'd call Kenny Miller a 'turbo-booster' but if he wasn't offered large wages to move from Derby to Rangers due to an EBT we probably would have won the league cup in 2010 ETA - No idea of he was one of the ones who had an EBT.. but fook them anyway From the thread about "Have We now won (that) League Cup... Interestingly the 2010 LC final goalscorer Kenny Miller was not one the EBT list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34118126 Papac, Davis, Novo, Boyd and substitute Smith, all are. I hope this helps? Edited November 5, 2015 by bluto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmac Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I wonder what the difference in prize money was from that league cup final defeat, £50k, 60K? Anybody know? Maybe their prize money should be going back to the authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 #keepyirtitlespayyirtaxes Pass it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) From the thread about "Have We now won (that) League Cup... I hope this helps? Indeed . . . . when is the party to celebrate the demise of the new mob. . Edited November 5, 2015 by saintnextlifetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Indeed . . . . when is the party to celebrate the demise of the new mob. . Well... Nov 13 is the day on which Charles Green persuades a court to agree that the new mob will completely, utterly and totally pick up the legal bill (potentially for several hundred thousand pounds) for the upcoming court sessions for which we saw some recent arrests heavily publicised in the tabloids. Could that be the straw you're waiting for? Or do you want to wait till that court session completes and possibly incriminates a whole slew of the this wondrous current management that 'defeated' his Big Mikeness a few months ago in that recent putsch, so praised by the SMSM... cos GSL King would sooooooon be pumping in £30m? Or will it be the day on which his Big Mikeness calls in his debt, due to some infraction of the terms and conditions of his loan deal? Or perchance it'll be the day with a 'y' in it? It's your ringside seat, buddie.... Edited November 5, 2015 by bluto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Well... Nov 13 is the day on which Charles Green persuades a court to agree that the new mob will completely, utterly and totally pick up the legal bill (potentially for several hundred thousand pounds) for the upcoming court sessions for which we saw some recent arrests heavily publicised in the tabloids. Could that be the straw you're waiting for? Or do you want to wait till that court session completes and possibly incriminates a whole slew of the this wondrous current management that 'defeated' his Big Mikeness a few months ago in that recent putsch, so praised by the SMSM... cos GSL King would sooooooon be pumping in £30m? Or will it be the day on which his Big Mikeness calls in his debt, due to some infraction of the terms and conditions of his loan deal? Or perchance it'll be the day with a 'y' in it? It's your ringside seat, buddie.... Yes , my mouth is already watering at the prospect , can I make a block booking and will there be hospitality so that we can all toast THE END ? Looking forward to you prompt reply , Buddie. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Ninjas Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 They'll fold on the 12th November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes , my mouth is already watering at the prospect , can I make a block booking and will there be hospitality so that we can all toast THE END ? Looking forward to you prompt reply , Buddie. . Mouth-watering... ...I'm guessing that's the prospect of your jellies and ice creams...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jake Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 They'll fold on the 12th November. Fkin hope so as that's my birthday :-) what a present that would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whydowebother Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Fkin hope so as that's my birthday :-) what a present that would be. Sadly, I don't think the current regime at the new club will be punished further from the football authorities. I think the best we can hope for is the continued financial mismanagement to bring about a bit of Xmas viewing cheer as we look on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jake Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Sadly, I don't think the current regime at the new club will be punished further from the football authorities. I think the best we can hope for is the continued financial mismanagement to bring about a bit of Xmas viewing cheer as we look on. I can put my celebrations on hold ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 We need someone to pursue them with the vigour that Chance Legstrong was pursued but then , as far as I know , big Chance didn't have associations with certain paramilitary oranisations. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 This is the same Willie Miller who has left numerous creditors out of pocket and is no stranger to tax investigations. The taxman will launch an investigation into Willie Miller’s failing property firm before letting it go to the wall. The football legend’s development firm, Mildav, is being struck off because Mr Miller and his business partner have failed to submit accounts. But the move – ordered by the UK Government’s Companies House – was suspended after an objection was lodged by someone thought to be owed money by the firm. Last night the regulator confirmed the objection had been lodged by HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC). The taxman will now investigate the “missing” two years since the company last filed accounts in May 2008 to find out whether the government is owed any money. Mr Miller’s partner in the Mildav venture, Aberdeen lawyer Kevin Davidson, insisted that nobody was due money from the firm, which he said was winding down because they had no need for it any more. The last accounts filed showed it had debts of little over £5,000. Former Aberdeen FC captain Mr Miller, 55, of Queens Avenue, Aberdeen, has declined to comment on the end of the venture. When a company is struck off, its creditors are left with no chance of getting their money back. However, the suspension of the strike-off enables the company's creditors to pursue them for any outstanding monies. Mr Miller’s business dealings sparked anger earlier this year after another of his property-based ventures collapsed owing creditors more than £350,000. Skipper’s restaurant – at Queens Links Leisure Park – closed 14 months after opening. Mr Miller insisted it was forced out of business by the competition of Aberdeen’s Union Square centre. He previously ran Harry Ramsden’s and Cafe Continental at the beach through his company Fishlike. Both folded in 2005 when Fishlike went into administration owing a total of £632,000 to more than 50 firms. At the time, Mr Miller said the impact of a fire, which saw both restaurants forced to close for months, proved fatal to the businesses. No idea why you are comparing the two. The above post is a case of a business failing. We require people prepared to suffer this or we'll have no employers or employees at all. Not sure what's to criticise their. I'm not in the habit of criticising failure simply because it's a failure. You'd have to be a moron to do that. Rangers were found to have been engaged in long term systematic tax evasion which is illegal. Why you think the two things are remotely the same is beyond me. But then I'm very clever so it's not surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) I for one would like to commend the rangers for their ability to deflect. Who now remembers the fact that they were outclassed by Hibs last weekend by: 1) Declaring massive losses. 2) Being shown up as "cheatin' bassas" by HMRC. AND 3) Having one of their board possibly falling on his sword by spending chrissie in the nick. Now. Tell me. WHAT WAS THE SCORE LAST WEEK? ETA Certainly not.... ( © Slartibartfast ) Edited November 6, 2015 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Regarding playing against the Blue Cheats FC in that 2010 Final, our Goalie, Paul Gallacher says.. " I don't feel it was an injustice. We had a big opportunity to win the game that day. They did it on the pitch, not in the Boardroom. Unfortunately it was their day. " What a f**king thicko. Could he just not reply "no comment "if he values his windows. 6 players from other cheated Clubs agreed with him. And so did Martin O'Neill. Cnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Ahem. you total c**t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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