class of 76-77 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 John Mc Ginn will continue his footballing education with St Mirren, the time is not right for him to be even thinking about moving on to bigger things. If he continues to improve over the next 2 seasons then bigger clubs than Bolton will come calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I would hope the club wouldn't accept any less than £750K for McGinn, with a robust sell-on clause. The transfer of O'Brien and MacNamee to Blackburn Rovers soured our chairman to any future benefit clauses such as sell-on / first team debut / international caps or whatever. Money up front every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 In the interest of sensible debate as opposed to criticising others opinions, how much would you see as being sensible for McGinn. 200/300k max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 So you don't think he's anywhere near as good as the two boys from Hamilton . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 No not at the moment. Hey may develop into bring as good but not as it stands no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madball Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 So you don't think he's anywhere near as good as the two boys from Hamilton . As good as McCarthy at the same age...no. As good as McArthur at the same age...yes. Potential to be as good or better than McCarthy... 50/50, but would need as much game time as the wee rodent gave him at Hamilton. Potential to be as good or better than McArthur... Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgy_saint Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 His ability to hold the ball is what impresses me. Not your standard kick and rush Scottish central midfielder. £1m + with 2 years left on his contract. If we hold on to him though we will need to cash in next summer unless he can agree a new deal before then. McArthur is another grossly overrated Scottish player. He should aim higher than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garf Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 The reason we won't get such big transfer fees for our young players is that we cling to the fantasy that we have the slightest chance of holding on to them if a big club comes in. Hamilton knew that any player with half decent ability would leave eventually, so it's in their best interests to talk them up from day 1 to try and get a huge pay off when they inevitably leave. We talk our players down in the hope that the good ones might slip under the radar of the bigger clubs, it's not going to happen, their scouting networks are far too good. Make no mistake, all the Championship clubs will already be well aware of any decent young footballers in the SPL. But it's the ones with the huge hype in the media that they'll have to pay through the nose for. McHattie and McGowan from Hearts are prime examples, neither are as good as McGinn but Hearts have been making a big fuss about them since they broke into the first team, that fuss will eventually lead to a big transfer fee. I don't want to lose McGinn, but I'd also hate to think that playing in the SPL for St Mirren was the height of his ambitions, I just want us to be fairly compensated when he does go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 The reason we won't get such big transfer fees for our young players is that we cling to the fantasy that we have the slightest chance of holding on to them if a big club comes in. Hamilton knew that any player with half decent ability would leave eventually, so it's in their best interests to talk them up from day 1 to try and get a huge pay off when they inevitably leave. We talk our players down in the hope that the good ones might slip under the radar of the bigger clubs, it's not going to happen, their scouting networks are far too good. Make no mistake, all the Championship clubs will already be well aware of any decent young footballers in the SPL. But it's the ones with the huge hype in the media that they'll have to pay through the nose for. McHattie and McGowan from Hearts are prime examples, neither are as good as McGinn but Hearts have been making a big fuss about them since they broke into the first team, that fuss will eventually lead to a big transfer fee. I don't want to lose McGinn, but I'd also hate to think that playing in the SPL for St Mirren was the height of his ambitions, I just want us to be fairly compensated when he does go... Yeh, that hamilton tactic really got them a much longer run in the SPL than saints have enjoyed???????????? Wait a minute.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reborn saint Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Just to add my tupence worth before bed.....John McGinn is the best prospect I have seen since Frank McAvennie ....Different player of course but he has ALL the tools needed.....Kenny McLean lacks many and I hope for his sake and ours he develops them. The only fear I have for John is don't let it get to your head and the game he plays might lead to injury. He is a complete player. Edited June 14, 2013 by reborn saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardeebuds Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 I said when he first broke into the team that John would be the first player to earn us 1 million pounds but only if he continues to progress, but not yet he needs a full season of playing in the first team to truely develop his potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Reminds me of Jamie "your f**king getting it" Fullerton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Reminds me of a thread about, what was his name....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Jamie " i cannae f*cking tackle properly so i've injured myself again " Fullerton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud77 Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 There's a good article in today's PDE about McGinn (but as usual it's not online yet). David Longwell says he thinks McGinn can go a long way in the game and praises his attitude and talent. There's one bit, I think, says a lot about McGinn as a person ' When the team won the League Cup last season, John came into the coaches room on the Monday morning to thank us for the part we had played in his success.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Bud Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 That's a heartening tale - the boy will go far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garf Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Yeh, that hamilton tactic really got them a much longer run in the SPL than saints have enjoyed???????????? Wait a minute.... Talented young players are going to move onwards and upwards, it's part of supporting a smaller club, learn to live with it. Would you rather see guys like McGinn and McLean walk away for pennies, or would you rather we got the cash we deserve for them? Also, Hamilton had to use the money from the McArthy and McArthur deals to service their debt. We could put the majority of that money back into the playing squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Any money we get would be used to service debts and running costs don't kid yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Any money we get would be used to service debts and running costs don't kid yourselff**ksake and I thought I was bad you take some beating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 f**ksake and I thought I was bad you take some beating. You are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 f**ksake and I thought I was bad you take some beating. Shut it I'm the bad ass on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Shut it I'm the bad ass on here I love your ass. Although it does look big in those culottes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Hempson Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Am gonna smash this whole place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Am gonna smash this whole place. You do that big boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney63 Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Talented young players are going to move onwards and upwards, it's part of supporting a smaller club, learn to live with it. Would you rather see guys like McGinn and McLean walk away for pennies, or would you rather we got the cash we deserve for them? Also, Hamilton had to use the money from the McArthy and McArthur deals to service their debt. We could put the majority of that money back into the playing squad. That'd be lovely, but probably more likely that Board members would (reasonably in my view) seek to recoup some of their investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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