Soctty Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I agreed with the decision to release Carey back in May but I never doubted his talent just the ability of DL or any manager to get the best out of him - for me his best position is wing-back in a 3-5-2. However as we seem to have missed out on our first choice signings (and if the current rumours about Aswad are ill-founded) I'd be happy to see us offer him a 1 year deal providing he was to sign up sharpish. Let's face it he's not such a hot ticket as he was two summers ago............... We've saved two months wages, and would be able to offer him a good bit less than we would have offered in May. It might be worth a gamble at this point, but I stand by what I said when he left - he hasn't contributed enough for us. Needs to up his game wherever he ends up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Carey. Miranda. Lappin. Talented, not good enough defensively, but decent going forward. Where to play them? Somewhere on the left side, floating around the touchline. There's the problem. They're not really one thing or the other, and not talented enough to be allowed to play wherever the hell they want - like a certain Mr G. Bale for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I saw Carey put in a few brilliant performances for us. But that was exactly the problem, it was only a few! Most of the time he was ordinary at best. Like several others we've had in the past - a lad with bags of talent but little application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garf Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Carey has talent but, sadly, not as much as he thinks he does. He gave the impression of being a big game player, usually saving his best performances for the toughest matches, but in my opinion the only thing that changed for him in these games was his attitudes towards the opposition. For me, his best game for us was the semi-final against Celtic, why? Because he knew he was up against a good winger and that meant he stayed focused and kept things simple for the full match. He put in a solid defensive display and looked very comfortable. However, when it came to playing against Dundee, Kilmarnock, Ross County etc, he fancied himself a little too much. He got caught on the ball trying to repeatedly skin his man and wasted possession constantly attempting 40 yard Hollywood passes. If he could play every match with the approach he took when facing a top winger then he would be an asset at left back, unfortunately, when we play a smaller team he seems determined to prove he's the next Dani Alves... I was disappointed to see him leave, because he has potential, but he also had a lot to learn about defending, and required a serious attitude adjustment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) we can switch back to wing backs Edited July 23, 2013 by linwood buddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Let's bring back Hugh Murray, Barry Lavety and Tony Fitzpatrick while we are at it. Load of pish. none of those were left backs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest somner9 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 If he comes back he may have to accept a different position..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Carey has talent but, sadly, not as much as he thinks he does. He gave the impression of being a big game player, usually saving his best performances for the toughest matches, but in my opinion the only thing that changed for him in these games was his attitudes towards the opposition. For me, his best game for us was the semi-final against Celtic, why? Because he knew he was up against a good winger and that meant he stayed focused and kept things simple for the full match. He put in a solid defensive display and looked very comfortable. However, when it came to playing against Dundee, Kilmarnock, Ross County etc, he fancied himself a little too much. He got caught on the ball trying to repeatedly skin his man and wasted possession constantly attempting 40 yard Hollywood passes. If he could play every match with the approach he took when facing a top winger then he would be an asset at left back, unfortunately, when we play a smaller team he seems determined to prove he's the next Dani Alves... I was disappointed to see him leave, because he has potential, but he also had a lot to learn about defending, and required a serious attitude adjustment... He was a stand-out in the left back position against Dundee by all accounts. I entirely agree that he was inconsistent, but an element of the manager's job is to address this. When Charlie Adam joined Saints on loan he wasn't in the best of shape and stories circulated regarding his attitude etc., yet he was quickly whipped into shape. It can be done. I think an Andy Millen type character in the coaching staff gets the best out of guys like Carey. A seasoned pro who looks after himself and is driven to be the best he can be, and expects nothing less from his charges. I wonder if sometimes Danny tries a bit too hard to be mates with the players and this can cause friction when he has to confront things head on. Maybe I'm way off the mark on this, right enough. In any event, if a player doesn't look after himself and/or mouths off etc., surely he should be fined or disciplined in some other way. Behaviour modification etc... My tuppence worth is that Carey has sufficient talent to justify a bit extra work and investment (not financial). I think Danny got it spot-on with his approach to nurturing McGowan, but perhaps a different approach is required with a player who clearly has a different temperament. In saying all this, there is not the remotest possibility that Carey will be back at Saints, so it is all a bit academic. Edited July 23, 2013 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 When Charlie Adam joined Saints on loan he wasn't in the best of shape and stories circulated regarding his attitude etc., yet he was quickly whipped into shape. It can be done. Player has got to play a big part in that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Player has got to play a big part in that as well. I don't disagree with that, but there have been (and are currently) plenty of players who could be considered to have poor application and a dubious attitude, but coaches feel it is worthwhile investing the resources into turning this around. It doesn't seem so long ago that many on here would have written McGowan off as a narky, moaning-faced wee shite with an attitude problem. I never bought into that, but I wonder how many who did would have been upset to see him leave back then, yet look at how important a player he is for us now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saints Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 As I posted elsewhere that's 2 managers now have seen him in training up close and neither want him jackie and Danny there is obviously a reason for this my money would be on the fact he is a lazy bleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Managers don't let good players walk away so what FTOF wrote adds up to me.Carey looked a much hungrier player in his first spell with us. I can have a great chef at my work but his atitude is just as important as his cooking skills he has got to fit into the team spirit if the kitchen is to be successful a football team is no diffrent. Good luck to Carey he has what it takes but only he can help himself if he want's to make it in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsmfc Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 did he not sign with dundee utd? Sent from my GT-I9300 using Black & White Army mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 did he not sign with dundee utd? Sent from my GT-I9300 using Black & White Army mobile app No. Confirmed on their OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenw05 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Never got a decent run in his favoured position Danny was and is a fool for letting a player go who was and still is needed in our squad. Would he come back yes will Danny ask him NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Would take him back in a heartbeat but not as a left back let him loose on the left wing Ian Ross style! Him and Teale down the flanks in prefered positions with a solid left back playing behind him and bring in a striker to complement Thomo. Jigsaw pieces final (rearrange) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Never got a decent run in his favoured position Danny was and is a fool for letting a player go who was and still is needed in our squad. Would he come back yes will Danny ask him NO The manager was 100% correct to let him go. A huge underachiever overall. Only the signing of Dargo has left me more underwhelmed, relative to a players potential. Maybe if he had adopted McGowan's work ethic and mentality, he'd still be here. Edited July 23, 2013 by FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Yards Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Offer him half to 3/4 the wage he was on and he'll probably bite our hand off now. Doesn't look like he's going to get offered anywhere near what he was on from any other club so he's not in any position to knock ot back. I didn't agree with letting him go as he can cover the whole left side so unless Danny has another gem to unearth on the left side I'd go back and get Carey on the cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Danny doesn't want him and Carey doesn't want to be here. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Would take him back in a heartbeat but not as a left back let him loose on the left wing Ian Ross style! Him and Teale down the flanks in prefered positions with a solid left back playing behind him and bring in a striker to complement Thomo. Jigsaw pieces final (rearrange) Sadly not got the pace for left wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I would take Imrie back ahead of Carey any day. Unfit, uninterested underacheiver who had plenty of opportunities and took none of them. At least Imrie gave his best, was always fit and didn't hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garf Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 He was a stand-out in the left back position against Dundee by all accounts. I entirely agree that he was inconsistent, but an element of the manager's job is to address this. When Charlie Adam joined Saints on loan he wasn't in the best of shape and stories circulated regarding his attitude etc., yet he was quickly whipped into shape. It can be done. I think an Andy Millen type character in the coaching staff gets the best out of guys like Carey. A seasoned pro who looks after himself and is driven to be the best he can be, and expects nothing less from his charges. I wonder if sometimes Danny tries a bit too hard to be mates with the players and this can cause friction when he has to confront things head on. Maybe I'm way off the mark on this, right enough. In any event, if a player doesn't look after himself and/or mouths off etc., surely he should be fined or disciplined in some other way. Behaviour modification etc... My tuppence worth is that Carey has sufficient talent to justify a bit extra work and investment (not financial). I think Danny got it spot-on with his approach to nurturing McGowan, but perhaps a different approach is required with a player who clearly has a different temperament. In saying all this, there is not the remotest possibility that Carey will be back at Saints, so it is all a bit academic. I have to say I was just using Dundee as an example of the smaller teams we face, if he played a blinder against them I apologise. I agree about the Andy Millen character in the coaching team. I think bringing in Tommy Craig was a good move, and has gone some of the way to addressing it. Some players will take note, some will refuse to be helped unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Pele Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Carey had two years to nail a first team place and failed miserably. The odd good goal or decent performance don't gloss over what a massive disappointment he was second time round. We're a club that can't afford to carry passengers and most of the time that's what Carey was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Saint Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's surely a sign of how desperate we all are for signings that we're discussing the possibility of re-signing a player we've only just let go who the manager didn't want and, by all accounts, didn't want to be here himself either!! Ain't gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Don't want Carey or Imrie back. No offence to either. Carey is part of the cup winning legends of 2013 - nothing can take that away, but he's away. We move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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