shull Posted December 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Oh go on... We aw miss him. What a legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Oh go on... We aw miss him. What a legend. He comes back, the Samaritans phone will be on speed dial................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billymehmet1 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Div. that record was in the prem division. We've got a similar record now in 1st div Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I like Danny, but he's not a very good football manager. What's happened at alloa proves the point.What were you expecting Danny to do at Alloa,win the League? Edited December 8, 2015 by HSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 What were you expecting Danny to do at Alloa,win the League? I think Alloa fans were expecting relegation battle this season. This is their third season at this level and they've been in a relegation scrap in all of them. The problem is they aren't, they're cut off at the bottom of the league. Reading their comments they were certainly expecting to have more than 5 points from a possible 48 and be 6 points behind the team above them having played a game more. It was nice of Danny to admit he wasn't up to it and walk away from the job in plenty of time for them to find someone new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Div. that record was in the prem division. We've got a similar record now in 1st div Yes we do and that is why pretty much everyone wants the current manager to be sacked. The reason we are in this mess is a combination of incompetence from Danny Lennon, then Tommy Craig, then Gary Teale, and now Ian Murray, mixed in with several dollops of terrible player recruitment and adding in a dash or two of bad decision making by the board. Lennon is part and parcel of the demise of our on-field fortunes and anyone who disagrees has a very bad memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykey Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The mists of time seem to cloud the memories. Yes we had a couple of very special days at Hampden with Danny in 2013 but in actual fact the league campaign that season was an utter shambles and what happened the following season was even worse. That is why Danny was let go. Let's look at some cold hard facts here. The fact is that from Jan 1st 2013 to the end of the cup winning season we actually won 3 league games out of SEVENTEEN. Danny's transfer dealings in the summer were an absolute shambles and we started the next season without a win in our opening 8 games (7 league). That meant from 1st Jan 2013 to 5th Oct 2013 we won 3 league games out of TWENTY-FOUR. In season 2013-2014 we also left both cups in the 1st round, and we went on a run where we lost 8 out of 9 games in the middle of the season. Yes we won a cup under Danny, and it was very very special and he'll always be fondly remembered for that but he actually STARTED the rot. Any notion of bringing him back is frankly absurd. IMO. 8th place in the top league, League cup winner, another 8th place in the top league - sounds f*cking brilliant now. I have said before I don't think we should ever go back (exception that proves the rule - Fitzy as a player), however to say that the notion of bringing him back is absurd is living in denial of how far we've fallen since we mistakenly failed to renew his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 8th place in the top league, League cup winner, another 8th place in the top league - sounds f*cking brilliant now. I have said before I don't think we should ever go back (exception that proves the rule - Fitzy as a player), however to say that the notion of bringing him back is absurd is living in denial of how far we've fallen since we mistakenly failed to renew his contract. The point is we had a decent sized budget the year after we won the League Cup. The BOD put a lot of money back into the team hoping we would kick on. Instead we didn't. We lost our first 5 games, spent the whole season in a relegation battle and got papped out early in both cups. I remember 2nd place Motherwell offering Gary Harkins a contract that year and he came to us instead. Why? Because we offered him more money. The money we wasted in that 13/14 season was the start of our downfall. Harkins, Grainger, Bahoken, Magennis, Djemba-Djemba, Dillon, Caprice, Cornell... I could go on. Paying all these duds wages clearly affected the budget for 14/15. You can see that by the type of players we brought in that summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yes we do and that is why pretty much everyone wants the current manager to be sacked. The reason we are in this mess is a combination of incompetence from Danny Lennon, then Tommy Craig, then Gary Teale, and now Ian Murray, mixed in with several dollops of terrible player recruitment and adding in a dash or two of bad decision making by the board. Lennon is part and parcel of the demise of our on-field fortunes and anyone who disagrees has a very bad memory. ................ultimately because we are for sale, and we are a depreciating asset at that, a club of little pull, except that one that gravity exerts Any employees , like those referenced above who come and go are engaged for a while within the for sale asset, a less than ideal environment. They are constrained therefore to a greater extent than many peers due to a lack of commitment to a plan , now and for following for growth, success and development. We are a club just flapping around in the wind in this interminable 'interim' period. Another gamble taken, another fail, presently we are on a serious long term losing streak with decisions, truly dismal times........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The mists of time seem to cloud the memories. Yes we had a couple of very special days at Hampden with Danny in 2013 but in actual fact the league campaign that season was an utter shambles and what happened the following season was even worse. That is why Danny was let go. Let's look at some cold hard facts here. The fact is that from Jan 1st 2013 to the end of the cup winning season we actually won 3 league games out of SEVENTEEN. Danny's transfer dealings in the summer were an absolute shambles and we started the next season without a win in our opening 8 games (7 league). That meant from 1st Jan 2013 to 5th Oct 2013 we won 3 league games out of TWENTY-FOUR. In season 2013-2014 we also left both cups in the 1st round, and we went on a run where we lost 8 out of 9 games in the middle of the season. Yes we won a cup under Danny, and it was very very special and he'll always be fondly remembered for that but he actually STARTED the rot. Any notion of bringing him back is frankly absurd. IMO. We had been on a pretty good run in November and December 2012. You seem to be picking your stats to include our losing runs and leave out when we had done reasonably well those seasons under Danny Lennon. If you look at the points tally we had for 2012/3 it was one of our better ones in the SPL but we are often told only Dundee being worse than us saved us from the drop. We had 41 points that season, finished 11 clear of the relegation place and the worst team in the top 6 (Dundee United) finished 6 points better off than us. Clearly leaving aside the League Cup win it can't have been all bad in the league campaign that season: We had a team who could beat Ross County 5-4 with our winning goal coming from an overhead kick in the last minute, and could draw at home with Celtic (having already beaten them in the semi final of the League Cup and been unlucky to lose the Scottish Cup tie against them a few weeks later)... imagine us giving Celtic a good game for 3 games in a row now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 In Lennon's final season we got 39 points... usually enough to keep you clear of the relegation play off places most seasons. I wonder if we will get anywhere near 39 points this season? As we approach the halfway mark of the season we are currently sitting on 12 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 We had been on a pretty good run in November and December 2012. You seem to be picking your stats to include our losing runs and leave out when we had done reasonably well those seasons under Danny Lennon. If you look at the points tally we had for 2012/3 it was one of our better ones in the SPL but we are often told only Dundee being worse than us saved us from the drop. We had 41 points that season, finished 11 clear of the relegation place and the worst team in the top 6 (Dundee United) finished 6 points better off than us. Clearly leaving aside the League Cup win it can't have been all bad in the league campaign that season: We had a team who could beat Ross County 5-4 with our winning goal coming from an overhead kick in the last minute, and could draw at home with Celtic (having already beaten them in the semi final of the League Cup and been unlucky to lose the Scottish Cup tie against them a few weeks later)... imagine us giving Celtic a good game for 3 games in a row now. You can't compare the total of the bottom top 6 side with us. They played 5 games more against top 6 sides than we did, obviously. A far harder fixture list. Yes we finished 6 points behind 6th place Dundee Utd, but we finished 10 points behind 7th placed Hibs. You just need to read this forum back the evening we got gubbed 3-0 by a hopeless Hearts team and Dundee were 8 behind us with 3 to play. It was doom and gloom aplenty. Thankfully Aberdeen and Peter Pawlett saved us the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class of 76-77 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 There's no such thing as playing football in the correct manner. Wins are what actually matter, and aesthetics are a nice bonus. Lennon and Murray both are in the same ship when it comes to not being successful. In a results driven business, inept defensive minded diddy's like Murray would normally be out of a job before he gets to reduce the club to a laughing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'm making the point that we must have done alright somewhere along the line in the 2012/3 league season if the players downed tools after the Cup Win in March and we still got 41 points and finished 11 points clear of the team who were relegated. The first home league win of the season came on 11th August 2012. The only team to beat us in 8 league and cup games from 24th November - 30th December 2012 were Celtic. 24th November: Home Dundee 3-0 27 November: Away Ross County 0-0 1 December : Home Brechin City 2-0 8 December: Home St Johnstone 1-1 15 December: Away Celtic 0-2 21 December: Home Motherwell 2-1 26 December Away: Inverness 2-2 30 December Home: Dundee United 4-3 Given Div has listed a set of stats saying DL won 3 league games in 24 attempts in 2013 can I throw in a set of stats where we won 3 league games out of 7, and won 3 home league games out of 4 and only failed to beat St Johnstone in a group of games against Dundee (relegated that year), St Johnstone (finished 3rd - qualified for Europe), Motherwell (finished 2nd, qualified for Europe) and Dundee United (finished 6th). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The point is we had a decent sized budget the year after we won the League Cup. The BOD put a lot of money back into the team hoping we would kick on. Instead we didn't. We lost our first 5 games, spent the whole season in a relegation battle and got papped out early in both cups. I remember 2nd place Motherwell offering Gary Harkins a contract that year and he came to us instead. Why? Because we offered him more money. The money we wasted in that 13/14 season was the start of our downfall. Harkins, Grainger, Bahoken, Magennis, Djemba-Djemba, Dillon, Caprice, Cornell... I could go on. Paying all these duds wages clearly affected the budget for 14/15. You can see that by the type of players we brought in that summer. Well said TC, Totally agree and also shows why where we are now is a collective mess up for the last 2/3 years. This is why we are not Ross County, Caley Thistle of Perth Saints. They have consistently good management, players and structure, we have a bold or bust. IM is only part of our problem. As was GT (TO BE FAIR HE DID OK CONSIDERING) DL never took us on, we peaked, just as we did in 1987 and that started a 15 year decline., We need a new team of management, new views, training and tactics. Look at what Derek Adams has done at Plymouth, what Yoggi has done at Caley, Tommy at St Johnstone. Geez even Martin Canning. Difference, they continue whats working and enhance, we rip the club to pieces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbar_bud Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I reckon Dannys next job will be as an academy coach or an under 21 manager for someone. Top, top guy, wouldnt want him back as manager though replacement for Davie Longwell however? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Not surprised he's left, the Alloa fans have been baying for his removal for a while there. Hard to see him getting another managerial job now. Must be looking back at that U21 post at Scotland he left, thinking what if. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbar_bud Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Must be looking back at that U21 post at Scotland he left, thinking what if. That was just a one off game he was manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The Legend that is Danny Lennon has left Alloa. Go get him Mr Gilmour. Our Club needs him. http://www.alloaathletic.co.uk/BlogView.aspx?pageid=2&ItemID=1377&mid=2 Danny would never return if asked, as long as the current board in charge imo. Deemed not good enough to earn a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 We had been on a pretty good run in November and December 2012. You seem to be picking your stats to include our losing runs and leave out when we had done reasonably well those seasons under Danny Lennon. Not at all. I'm merely highlighting why Danny was let go at the end of season 203-2014. It was on the back of two bad league campaigns. He also had a terrible first season as well but his second campaign was decent, albeit we really struggled for consistency, we played good stuff and built a very good squad, one that ultimately won silverware. I'm not saying he was an absolutely terrible manager during his time with us, but he certainly wasn't the guru that some are making him out to be and it certainly didn't surprise me when he was allowed to leave. Appointing Tommy Craig was slightly barking, and never worked out, and since then it's been a series of disasters. I don't think we should go back for Danny, or Gus for that matter. Those ships have sailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Urquhart Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Appointing Tommy Craig is what we do best, the cheap option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I know there used to be an argument that we had a great squad at the time and perhaps a better manager would have got us top 6 with a squad that included Samson, Dummett, Goodwin, McGowan, McLean, McGinn, Newton, Teale, Thompson, and Goncalves (and McGregor when he wasn't out for most of the season with knee injuries). I'm fairly sure history will go on to show that we did pretty well to Catch Thommo and Teale when we did and get a last 2 or 3 good seasons from them before injury brought their careers to a close, and of the rest only Dummett and McLean have shown they are top 6 standard players (currently) and I have no doubt that John McGinn will end up with a top 6 team in the next season or two (and McGregor may join him). In DL's tenure we had a suspect defence (we got a good few seasons from DVZ as an attacking wing back), one year we got a decent amount of clean sheets for us, but we generally lacked the consistency to put us on a par with St Johnstone, Inverness, Motherwell and be a top 6 team. Under DL we were the kind of team who on their day could beat almost any team in the league but didn't quite have the cutting edge to convert enough draws into victories and ended up usually as a decent enough bottom 6 team to watch, manned by players largely of bottom 6 quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Teams we beat in 2012/3: Dundee (twice in league), Ayr United (5-1 in League Cup), Hamilton Accies (League Cup), Ross County, Hearts (twice in league and league cup final), Aberdeen (League Cup), Brechin City (Scottish Cup), Motherwell, Dundee United, Celtic (league cup semi), Inverness, St Johnstone (Scottish Cup), Kilmarnock. A season with 16 league and cup wins which is often cited as a year the rot set in and proof DL was not up to the job, a season in which Tedious Tom began to refer to DL as "Wee Clueless"... 41 points in the SPL, a home league win in August, a Scottish Cup QF defeat to Celtic 1-2 where we were a bit unlucky to lose, a league cup win and 16 wins and 14 league draws in one flippin' season, how I wish we were that bad again! And in 2013/4 we won 10 league games and drew 9 and finished 8th - another season I would swap for the 2015/6 season in a heartbeat. Edited December 8, 2015 by Dibbles old paperboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The mists of time seem to cloud the memories. Yes we had a couple of very special days at Hampden with Danny in 2013 but in actual fact the league campaign that season was an utter shambles and what happened the following season was even worse. That is why Danny was let go. Let's look at some cold hard facts here. The fact is that from Jan 1st 2013 to the end of the cup winning season we actually won 3 league games out of SEVENTEEN. Danny's transfer dealings in the summer were an absolute shambles and we started the next season without a win in our opening 8 games (7 league). That meant from 1st Jan 2013 to 5th Oct 2013 we won 3 league games out of TWENTY-FOUR. In season 2013-2014 we also left both cups in the 1st round, and we went on a run where we lost 8 out of 9 games in the middle of the season. Yes we won a cup under Danny, and it was very very special and he'll always be fondly remembered for that but he actually STARTED the rot. Any notion of bringing him back is frankly absurd. IMO. Nope the consortium started the rot by shutting out almost half the shareholders so they and only they could cash in. They prevented any investment by the other 48% of shareholders, and prevented Smisa increasing its shareholding as they wanted to preserve their majority to enable a sale above all else!!! This is why Gus, and then Danny were let go for cheaper and cheaper options as the staff and playing budgets were slashed by the want away five! Its in each years accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Div. that record was in the prem division. We've got a similar record now in 1st div They have made their minds up No thought of how the constraints of working at St Mirren affected anything, and even more unbelievably, no credit for Danny as to how he performed within those constraints compared to the three managers who followed him. Of course there were problems and mistakes, however they pale against what has happened since then DL and AM as a team sounds good to me, but I wouldn't subject the wee guy to the treatment he got here once more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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