Jack Ross Must Go.

[BuddieinEK]

your spot on...and if Jack cant see what went on today then he deserves to lose his job
had to wonder thou...he changed things at half time and boldly told us all in the after game interview that he wasnt happy and that he went "through" the team in the dressing room
but it was his choice to field that team at the start of the match
he has got to get it right from the start next Saturday 

I posted my first negative Jack Ross comment at halftime today as we were f**king miserable. For once, this season, the fates didn't conspire against us in the second half and we had a great goal combined with some horrible tackling and a nice free kick to send us on our way.

Let's be honest though. That mob were pish and we all know it. That being said you can only beat what's in front of you and we have failed in that regard for most of the season. 7 goals in two games heading into our biggest league match in years has got to have a positive impact.

Team selection, formation and tactics will be hugely important on Saturday. Let's hope Jack gets it right.

What if Jack had the tactics right but the players application was wrong? Consider that?

He was right to go through them as simple 5 foot passes to teammates was apparantly beyond them in the first half.

Hardly a tactical fault.

[DLBud]

No mate, but setting us up with two up top which we haven't done much at all this season was strange. Not as strange though as pushing Mallan wide left to accommodate Storrie when we had Morgan on the bench. Now I think Morgan has earned his place on the bench with some of his recent displays but when Smith was out today we surely needed some width and pace to allow us to get the service into the front two?

Jack has got his starting 11 wrong in the last two games and has made the changes to correct it (you're simply being stubborn if you don't acknowledge that) and we've gone on to win both which has been great. I'm not sure he can afford to get it wrong again this weekend.

[djchapsticks]

8 hours ago, DLBud said:

I posted my first negative Jack Ross comment at halftime today as we were f**king miserable. For once, this season, the fates didn't conspire against us in the second half and we had a great goal combined with some horrible tackling and a nice free kick to send us on our way.

Let's be honest though. That mob were pish and we all know it. That being said you can only beat what's in front of you and we have failed in that regard for most of the season. 7 goals in two games heading into our biggest league match in years has got to have a positive impact.

Team selection, formation and tactics will be hugely important on Saturday. Let's hope Jack gets it right.

Pish as they were,  are they really much worse than a mid level championship side? I mean the team currently running away with League One were absolutely hounded by them a few months ago. 

[DLBud]

Well, we haven't been able to beat any mid level championship sides but we horsed them. I used that as the basis for my comment.

[djchapsticks]

8 minutes ago, DLBud said:

Well, we haven't been able to beat any mid level championship sides but we horsed them. I used that as the basis for my comment.

Whilst that's true,  we really should be! 

[Kendo]

7 minutes ago, DLBud said:

Well, we haven't been able to beat any mid level championship sides but we horsed them. I used that as the basis for my comment.

Not sure you can use this as a comparison. This is a completely new team that hasn't played many league games. 

[DLBud]

Not sure you can use this as a comparison. This is a completely new team that hasn't played many league games. 

 

I don't want to turn this into something it wasn't originally. I've tried to remain positive over the last few months as we've inexorably slid toward League One. I've firmly been in the camp of "Jack inherited a shambles so let's judge him on his own team" and that is now.

 

Based on what we've seen so far we couldn't see out a lead at Dumbarton, struggled to get any real fluency against East Fife and toiled horribly in the first half yesterday. The last two were both down to mistakes, IMO, with line ups and formations which, credit to Jack, he made changes to that turned this around. I just don't think he can afford to get it wrong for 45 mins this weekend as the standard of opposition is better and the stakes are much higher.

 

I also made the point yesterday that if we are effectively done on Saturday as a result of a loss how can we trust Jack to bring us back up when he'll have presided over, arguably, one of the worst runs of results (and consider the level) we've seen in a very long time.

[Kendo]

3 minutes ago, DLBud said:

 

I don't want to turn this into something it wasn't originally. I've tried to remain positive over the last few months as we've inexorably slid toward League One. I've firmly been in the camp of "Jack inherited a shambles so let's judge him on his own team" and that is now.

 

Based on what we've seen so far we couldn't see out a lead at Dumbarton, struggled to get any real fluency against East Fife and toiled horribly in the first half yesterday. The last two were both down to mistakes, IMO, with line ups and formations which, credit to Jack, he made changes to that turned this around. I just don't think he can afford to get it wrong for 45 mins this weekend as the standard of opposition is better and the stakes are much higher.

 

I also made the point yesterday that if we are effectively done on Saturday as a result of a loss how can we trust Jack to bring us back up when he'll have presided over, arguably, one of the worst runs of results (and consider the level) we've seen in a very long time.

We've just won 4-1 a result that not many predicted and you're having a go at the manager?  

 

[DLBud]

Oh FFS!

I'm not having ago at him at all Kendo, read the post again.

Sat there at half time yesterday was a new low for me as we were f**king rank and that prompted my original post around my confidence in Jack staying on if we had lost that match and subsequently gone down at Ayr.

We turned yesterday around, which is great, but I feel he needs to get his line up and formation right this weekend as he may not have the luxury of the half time change this time.

[Kendo]

3 minutes ago, DLBud said:

Oh FFS!

I'm not having ago at him at all Kendo, read the post again.

Sat there at half time yesterday was a new low for me as we were f**king rank and that prompted my original post around my confidence in Jack staying on if we had lost that match and subsequently gone down at Ayr.

We turned yesterday around, which is great, but I feel he needs to get his line up and formation right this weekend as he may not have the luxury of the half time change this time.

Yes I understand what you're saying and I was equally frustrated at half time. However not all of it was down to the formation some of it was down to the players attitude and levels of performance. 

An example being the Mallan free kick in the first half and the lay off from Loy to Mallan who put the ball over the stand from just outside the box. 

The change in formation didn't make Mallan take better free kicks for example. Some of what was happening was down to the players attitude, confidence and belief.

[DLBud]

I agree with the application and desire of the players being a contributing factor. I just believe that players perform better in their favoured positions within the right formation.

Anyway, I think we may be violently agreeing here so I'll leave it at that.

[Lord Pityme]

53 minutes ago, Kendo said:

Yes I understand what you're saying and I was equally frustrated at half time. However not all of it was down to the formation some of it was down to the players attitude and levels of performance. 

An example being the Mallan free kick in the first half and the lay off from Loy to Mallan who put the ball over the stand from just outside the box. 

The change in formation didn't make Mallan take better free kicks for example. Some of what was happening was down to the players attitude, confidence and belief.

Whilst i agree that players basically not playing as instructed is an issue, when exactly will Ross become responsible for the results he achieves?

first it was "its no his team" then we got "his new team need time to gel" now we are being asked to swallow the line "it might be his team, but their pish, so it's no his fault"

i didn't hear him suggesting in his post match interview that none of it was down to him, in fact he was happy to claim his "home truths" half time rant turned it round. If he accepts this result, surely he should be accountable fir all of them now?

massive at Ayr this weekend, win and we have a chance, lose..? Well it doesnt bear thinking about so let's win.

[DougJamie]

10 hours ago, saintargyll said:

your spot on...and if Jack cant see what went on today then he deserves to lose his job

had to wonder thou...he changed things at half time and boldly told us all in the after game interview that he wasnt happy and that he went "through" the team in the dressing room

but it was his choice to field that team at the start of the match

he has got to get it right from the start next Saturday 

As jack says that's 6 wins in last 12 matches, we do that in league we have a chance.

For 30 mins I saw my team come alive. I saw refuse to give up, passion, fight, good goals and good play. I saw Morgan flying and McGinn driving the team, yes Jack plays a huge part, but so do the players.

That team, Roy out, Smith in and I think we can beat the draw specialists.

Remember Ton won 4-1 there, they were in their faces, for me its simple, high press we win, sit back we lose or draw....................

Jack knows this

[Lord Pityme]

6 minutes ago, DougJamie said:

As jack says that's 6 wins in last 12 matches, we do that in league we have a chance.

For 30 mins I saw my team come alive. I saw refuse to give up, passion, fight, good goals and good play. I saw Morgan flying and McGinn driving the team, yes Jack plays a huge part, but so do the players.

That team, Roy out, Smith in and I think we can beat the draw specialists.

Remember Ton won 4-1 there, they were in their faces, for me its simple, high press we win, sit back we lose or draw....................

Jack knows this

Perhaps he can show what he knows, or has learned recently and bench Storrie, start Morgan..?

[faraway saint]

While yesterdays result is very welcome it was against a team who everyone thought were absolutely shite, except for Oaky who thought they were decent.

We can only play who's in front of us and, in the end, we done this comfortably.

It's not all of a sudden turned us into a great team but it's also good for morale, something mentioned throughout the season.

If we'd lost it wouldn't have changed things much for me as the main focus is this weekends game.

We need to get off to a flyer, something we really haven't done all season.

If we go behind to Ayr I fear the worst as they are scrapping for every point and getting a few into the bargain.

 

[Callum Gilhooley]

5 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

While yesterdays result is very welcome it was against a team who everyone thought were absolutely shite, except for Oaky who thought they were decent.

We can only play who's in front of us and, in the end, we done this comfortably.

It's not all of a sudden turned us into a great team but it's also good for morale, something mentioned throughout the season.

If we'd lost it wouldn't have changed things much for me as the main focus is this weekends game.

We need to get off to a flyer, something we really haven't done all season.

If we go behind to Ayr I fear the worst as they are scrapping for every point and getting a few into the bargain.

 

On the basis of yesterdays showing , that would be me. However , i watched them demolish Livvy in the last round and at that point i was worried !!   

They offered very little overall yesterday.  Apart from a cracking goal i thought once we realised this record breaking lot werent Real Madrid and got in about them , they looked amateurish and at times thuggish. The fact they were wearing Rugby tops didnt help though!!!

You`ve got to ask , if that lot are so far ahead of the rest of Welsh footy , what must the rest be like ?

[Kendo]

10 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

On the basis of yesterdays showing , that would be me. However , i watched them demolish Livvy in the last round and at that point i was worried !!   

They offered very little overall yesterday.  Apart from a cracking goal i thought once we realised this record breaking lot werent Real Madrid and got in about them , they looked amateurish and at times thuggish. The fact they were wearing Rugby tops didnt help though!!!

You`ve got to ask , if that lot are so far ahead of the rest of Welsh footy , what must the rest be like ?

It's like Celtic in the Champions League although they wouldn't ever get near the semifinals.

[DougJamie]

Whether the opp were shite or not, for 45 mins, they were beating us..................

Ok some stato please, but when in any comp did Saints score 4 in 45 mins.........

 

I bet there is a saddy out there. I remember being 4-0 up on Ton in the 90s

[WeeBud]

23 minutes ago, DougJamie said:

Whether the opp were shite or not, for 45 mins, they were beating us..................

Ok some stato please, but when in any comp did Saints score 4 in 45 mins.........

 

I bet there is a saddy out there. I remember being 4-0 up on Ton in the 90s

And missed a penalty which could/should have been 5 in the half

[mcdowell76]

10 hours ago, BuddieinEK said:

What if Jack had the tactics right but the players application was wrong? Consider that?

He was right to go through them as simple 5 foot passes to teammates was apparantly beyond them in the first half.

Hardly a tactical fault.

 

 

 

 

 

On the contrary, if you tell the players (players you signed) to make 5 foot passes then that is indeed your own tactical fault.

Unless you are in the attacking third of the pitch, there is no point making 5 foot passes.

Just get the f'cking ball up the f'cking pitch!

[Stu]

29 minutes ago, DougJamie said:

Whether the opp were shite or not, for 45 mins, they were beating us..................

Ok some stato please, but when in any comp did Saints score 4 in 45 mins.........

 

I bet there is a saddy out there. I remember being 4-0 up on Ton in the 90s

There was a crazy game against Ross County a few years ago where we won 5-4 and I think we were 2-1 down at half-time. Dunno if there's anything more recent than that.

[Callum Gilhooley]

1 minute ago, mcdowell76 said:

On the contrary, if you tell the players (players you signed) to make 5 foot passes then that is indeed your own tactical fault.

Unless you are in the attacking third of the pitch, there is no point making 5 foot passes.

Just get the f'cking ball up the f'cking pitch!

Tactical genius

[mcdowell76]

FFS

We just beat a comedy side from a comedy league.

Wins like this are no measure of the manager.

So far, Jack Ross has proved himself incapable of managing a Championship side.

He needs to get a result against Ayr next week otherwise he should be shown the door.

[mcdowell76]

Just now, Callum Gilhooley said:

Tactical genius

You don't need to be a genius to know that if you get the ball up the pitch then you have more chance of scoring and less chance of conceding.

And despite it being so simple, even simpletons like you can't work it out!

[DougJamie]

9 minutes ago, mcdowell76 said:

FFS

We just beat a comedy side from a comedy league.

Wins like this are no measure of the manager.

So far, Jack Ross has proved himself incapable of managing a Championship side.

He needs to get a result against Ayr next week otherwise he should be shown the door.

 

That's just plain disrespectful- a team that won away, easily at Livi

Yeah sacking managers has really worked hasn't it...............

He has his own team, we have lost 3 of the last 12 games

The club has been rotten to core, and we are now seeing better players, better youth..................

Do or Die for Championship Sat, a huge test I agree, however Jack deserves our support, and s does the club................

Time for true supporters