shull Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Aye, Sammy is a legend for winning the League Cup along with every member of that Squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Doakes said: Oran Kearney - Manager Brian Rice - Assistant Manager Gus MacPherson - Technical Director Jimmy Nicholl - 1st Team Coach Jamie Langfield - Goalkeeping Coach Allan McManus - Head of Youth Development Andy Webster - Development Coach Alex MacQueen – Physiotherapist Junior Mendes - Sports Scientist Quite a number we've got now About right for a premiership club with a youth academy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, shull said: I know we have moved on. Most Clubs were part time around 50 years ago. Dunfermline, Kilmarnock, Dundee, Hibs etc were doing well in European Competitions. Salaries for full time players were similar to the average working man, maybe slightly over. Gate prices were decent for everybody. Yep and I agree football is too expensive and often hasn’t moved on for the better. What’s that got to do with the benefits sports scientists and GK coaches brings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, Doakes said: For comparison, here's Rangers Manager - Steven Gerrard Assistant Manager - Gary McAllister First Team Coach - Michael Beale Technical Coach - Tom Culshaw Goalkeeping Coach - Colin Stewart Director of Football - Mark Allen Head of Scouting - Andy Scoulding Club Scouts - Neil Banfield, John Brown, Billy McLaren, David Swanick Scouting Coordinator - Rob Clarkson Loans Manager - Billy Kirkwood Head of Analysis - Bradley Wall Head of Performance - Jordan Milsom Head of Preparation - Craig Flannigan Head of Strength and Conditioning - Paraskevas Polychronopoulos Masseur - David Lavery Physiotherapist - Steve Walker Club Doctor - Dr Mark Waller Kit Executive - Jimmy Bell Yeahh but a load of them arent front facing staff i.e. mark allen - v - wee anxious etc, and for conditioning etc we utilise the pro life coach and facilities. We use free lance scouts etc, have a doctor affiliated to the club so its not such a huge difference excelt one of us isnt £15million in debt and counting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Yep and I agree football is too expensive and often hasn’t moved on for the better. What’s that got to do with the benefits sports scientists and GK coaches brings? What benefits that are better than players from 50 years ago when they had no fecking scientists and goalie coaches. All players including goalies can improve themselves by kicking a ball against a wall. Sure there are plenty free walls around the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, shull said: What benefits that are better than players from 50 years ago when they had no fecking scientists and goalie coaches. All players including goalies can improve themselves by kicking a ball against a wall. Sure there are plenty free walls around the town. "When I was a lad" in a Fife mining village the pass times when you were young were football and fighting. As you grew up you added Fornication and Drinking to that list. We had walls. Seemed pretty useful for 3 of the 4 passtimes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: "When I was a lad" in a Fife mining village the pass times when you were young were football and fighting. As you grew up you added Fornication and Drinking to that list. We had walls. Seemed pretty useful for 3 of the 4 passtimes . All four, shirley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Yeahh but a load of them arent front facing staff i.e. mark allen - v - wee anxious etc, and for conditioning etc we utilise the pro life coach and facilities. We use free lance scouts etc, have a doctor affiliated to the club so its not such a huge difference excelt one of us isnt £15million in debt and counting! Yeah surely a lot of those positions are a bit... daft.... Having a physiotherapist and a masseuse Poor Billy the loans manager must be sweating buckets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 18 hours ago, stlucifer said: That's certainly what he claimed then added more lugs. So our Championship winning players are now lugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said: Hiya Alan, how's the job hunting going ? I doubt Alan will need to work for a while with all the money Saints are giving him cos fans like you forced him out after only 4 games! Edited November 30, 2018 by Wendy Saintss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack the lad Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Doakes said: Oran Kearney - Manager Brian Rice - Assistant Manager Gus MacPherson - Technical Director Jimmy Nicholl - 1st Team Coach Jamie Langfield - Goalkeeping Coach Allan McManus - Head of Youth Development Andy Webster - Development Coach Alex MacQueen – Physiotherapist Junior Mendes - Sports Scientist Quite a number we've got now It's the Barca way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 39 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: So our Championship winning players are now lugs? According to Stubbs. That's where we began. I didn't say the championship squad were ALL duds but there were some. Ross got quite a few wrong. Stubbs got rid of some Jack got right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, shull said: What benefits that are better than players from 50 years ago when they had no fecking scientists and goalie coaches. All players including goalies can improve themselves by kicking a ball against a wall. Sure there are plenty free walls around the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, shull said: What benefits that are better than players from 50 years ago when they had no fecking scientists and goalie coaches. All players including goalies can improve themselves by kicking a ball against a wall. Sure there are plenty free walls around the town. Are you kidding? Players from years ago were better because the overal fitness and standards to be a footballer was lower. (Not the talent) Do you think George Best would be the player he was now rockin onto a park after five pints and a gram of coke? No chance. Anyone that doesn’t believe this, look at the world class players Scotland produced in the 60s and 70s, very many. We haven’t produced one now for probably over 20 years. Either a massive stroke of bad luck or clear evidence it takes much more to be a world class footballer these days, than just your talent. Counties that invest in the development of their players in the modern day, including sports scientists and coaching programs, develop better players. That’s fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, stlucifer said: According to Stubbs. That's where we began. I didn't say the championship squad were ALL duds but there were some. Ross got quite a few wrong. Stubbs got rid of some Jack got right. Who did Stubbs get rid of that Jack got right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: Who did Stubbs get rid of that Jack got right? My apologies. Intended to get rid of. He didn't last long enough to go through with most. He did end Reilly's time at the club and would have sent Smith, Ecks, McKenzie and Mullen packing if he had remained. IF you didn't think our championship squad was below par then they are significant players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Are you kidding? Players from years ago were better because the overal fitness and standards to be a footballer was lower. (Not the talent) Do you think George Best would be the player he was now rockin onto a park after five pints and a gram of coke? No chance. Anyone that doesn’t believe this, look at the world class players Scotland produced in the 60s and 70s, very many. We haven’t produced one now for probably over 20 years. Either a massive stroke of bad luck or clear evidence it takes much more to be a world class footballer these days, than just your talent. Counties that invest in the development of their players in the modern day, including sports scientists and coaching programs, develop better players. That’s fact All the sports scientists and coaching programs in the world won't change the unhealthy lifestyle and lazy culture in Scotland. Sports scientists will only benefit those who will make it regardless and then its only of marginal benefit. As I mentioned in a previous post, runners from Kenya with no sports scientists, no coaching and no facilities wipe the floor with American runners who have access to everything. And when the Kenyan runners go to America they go backwards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeabuddy Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 I’m very happy with the coaching staff structure that’s being put in place. Fair play to the BOD, they fecked up with Stubbs but they’ve learned from it. Great addition getting Nicholl in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 minute ago, stlucifer said: My apologies. Intended to get rid of. He didn't last long enough to go through with most. He did end Reilly's time at the club and would have sent Smith, Ecks, McKenzie and Mullen packing if he had remained. IF you didn't think our championship squad was below par then they are significant players. You've named 5 players there. 2 have been injured all season while 2 have been benched by the new manager. And I doubt that Reilly would have been playing ahead of Jackson. Seems that Stubbs was right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, bazil85 said: Ffs He's such a clueless fud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: All the sports scientists and coaching programs in the world won't change the unhealthy lifestyle and lazy culture in Scotland. Sports scientists will only benefit those who will make it regardless and then its only of marginal benefit. As I mentioned in a previous post, runners from Kenya with no sports scientists, no coaching and no facilities wipe the floor with American runners who have access to everything. And when the Kenyan runners go to America they go backwards! Can't agree with you on this one. Players, in general, are far fitter now. The game is faster and players bodies are under more strain. Ingesting the right things, stretching and using individually created fitness schedules can improve physical performance and prolong the careers of players beyond that of those in the past. Kenyan long distance runners come from the high plateau area of the country.. Sone 6000+ feet up so grow up and train at altitude. This gives them a built in advantag which others seek to combat by going to altitude as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: You've named 5 players there. 2 have been injured all season while 2 have been benched by the new manager. And I doubt that Reilly would have been playing ahead of Jackson. Seems that Stubbs was right! Big assumptions McKenzie isn't yet fit. Eckersley, Smith and Mullin were all on the bench. Smith and Mullin came on. As for Reilly. IF he remained and Jackson wasn't putting the ball in the net, which he isn't, then I think Reilly would have been played. After that it's anyone's guess whether he would have cemented a place. ETA. Jackson wasn't even there when Stubbs was so your point was actually moot. Edited November 30, 2018 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: All the sports scientists and coaching programs in the world won't change the unhealthy lifestyle and lazy culture in Scotland. Sports scientists will only benefit those who will make it regardless and then its only of marginal benefit. As I mentioned in a previous post, runners from Kenya with no sports scientists, no coaching and no facilities wipe the floor with American runners who have access to everything. And when the Kenyan runners go to America they go backwards! You're not really bringing up the Kenyans again are you...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: All the sports scientists and coaching programs in the world won't change the unhealthy lifestyle and lazy culture in Scotland. Sports scientists will only benefit those who will make it regardless and then its only of marginal benefit. As I mentioned in a previous post, runners from Kenya with no sports scientists, no coaching and no facilities wipe the floor with American runners who have access to everything. And when the Kenyan runners go to America they go backwards! Players still need natural talent and the will to succeed as a footballer, there is no doubting that. We don't generally seem to have a shortage of that in Scotland. Can see that to an extent with our youth teams doing pretty well up until maybe 20-22. Sports scientists push players on to meet their potential regarding fitness, fueling their body and optimum weight for their playing position (Ryan Christie a great example of this) this is where Scotland are miles behind some nations and it doesn't help all the bad habits linked to our culture. There is also an undoubted genetic advantage in some players, something I have never denied. My only point is Shull seeing no benefit in sports science and the increased use of coaching disciplines is complete madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, bazil85 said: Are you kidding? Players from years ago were better because the overal fitness and standards to be a footballer was lower. (Not the talent) Do you think George Best would be the player he was now rockin onto a park after five pints and a gram of coke? No chance. Anyone that doesn’t believe this, look at the world class players Scotland produced in the 60s and 70s, very many. We haven’t produced one now for probably over 20 years. Either a massive stroke of bad luck or clear evidence it takes much more to be a world class footballer these days, than just your talent. Counties that invest in the development of their players in the modern day, including sports scientists and coaching programs, develop better players. That’s fact Really? I could have sworn Belfast, in Norn Iron 'produced' George Best??? oh and i would keep an eye out in the post for the legal action from his family Re.:Your unfounded drugs slur Baz. Relatives of tbe deceased tend not to take kindly to that kind of a ting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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