whydowebother Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 Exactly. You should stick to posting about on-field matters really! Agreed On field is pish with no signs of improvement that matter ie; points It’s the manager & his assistant to blame for not being able motivate his team , organise his team thus enabling us to gather points 9 points from 63 is NOT acceptable under any circumstances & to lay the blame on previous management solely is not cutting it OK has had 21 games and as yet has shown nothing to suggest he knows how to turn round our fortunes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper07 Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 Surely we all want Oran to go ? To go and grab enough points to keep us in the Premier League - end off. 21 games with a squad that was not capable of getting any more points and with new incomers who are not up to speed yet - never mind the injuries. Nelson, McIntyre and others knew this was a poison chalice - but Oran was man enough to take on the challenge. HE has just transitioned the squad - 2 games ago - we still have 7 injured and a few who have not played much in 2 months. Go and drink some instant coffee - it tastes crap but the stuff that tastes good takes time to brew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: Correction Goody shied away previously on the back of Ross winning promotion, that was always a hospital pass unless any potential manager could have persuaded the board to give them the budget to meet their aspirations. Would Goody be 'interspersed' with Oran walking, and basically a free hit of 'if you can rescue us and keep us up great, if not your here for the championship ' you bet he would! In fact our board having taken the cheap option of Oran on a career break would probably be estatic if Goody wanted to stay part time! Nope. Goody said he didn't feel ready for the step at the current time up AND felt he owed Alloa some loyalty. Stop f**king lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 Need to take a step back and put things into perspective. If we cast back to our original targets for manager they didnt want to take the job. Robbie Neilson was offered it but chose not too as we were a bad risk on his CV. He said we would need a far bigger budget to achieve the expectations of our fans. Stubbs has now said likewise. We have low resources and are where we are for a number of reasons. Orans job is to take us to safety and deserves that chance. I would like to see him at least given 2 transfer windows before we pull the plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Kemp said: Exactly. Kearney will be here for the season, end of story. You should stick to posting about on-field matters really! And you should stick to posting in the General Nonsense forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whydowebother Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 Surely we all want Oran to go ? To go and grab enough points to keep us in the Premier League - end off. 21 games with a squad that was not capable of getting any more points and with new incomers who are not up to speed yet - never mind the injuries. Nelson, McIntyre and others knew this was a poison chalice - but Oran was man enough to take on the challenge. HE has just transitioned the squad - 2 games ago - we still have 7 injured and a few who have not played much in 2 months. Go and drink some instant coffee - it tastes crap but the stuff that tastes good takes time to brew! Let’s see how we have improved DECEMBER ( most recent first )Kilmarnock 2-1 Saints LOSTSaints 0-1 St Johnstone LOSTMotherwell 0-1 Saints WONSaints 1-2 Aberdeen LOSTLivingston 3-1 Saints LOSTHibs 2-2 Saints DRAW Saints 1-3 Hamilton LOST7 points from 21 ( old squad )JANUARY ( Window opens )Saints 1-3 Hibs LOSTCeltic 4-0 LOSTFEBRUARY Saints 1-2 Motherwell LOSTRangers 4-0 Saints LOST= ZERO improvement Conceded 26Scored 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, whydowebother said: Agreed On field is pish with no signs of improvement that matter ie; points It’s the manager & his assistant to blame for not being able motivate his team , organise his team thus enabling us to gather points 9 points from 63 is NOT acceptable under any circumstances & to lay the blame on previous management solely is not cutting it OK has had 21 games and as yet has shown nothing to suggest he knows how to turn round our fortunes Have you been to any games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 4:47 PM, guinness said: Not getting why winning1 Irish cup in 8 years is a good record. I agree. I think he should have at least won the Scottish Cup and the FA with Coleraine. That would have been much more impressive. A Champions League final would have been the icing on the cake though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, whydowebother said: Agreed On field is pish with no signs of improvement that matter ie; points It’s the manager & his assistant to blame for not being able motivate his team , organise his team thus enabling us to gather points 9 points from 63 is NOT acceptable under any circumstances & to lay the blame on previous management solely is not cutting it OK has had 21 games and as yet has shown nothing to suggest he knows how to turn round our fortunes Best football I have seen us play this season was the second half on Saturday huge improvement. Play like that for 90min every game we will stay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Have you been to any games? Doesn't sound like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper07 Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, whydowebother said: Let’s see how we have improved DECEMBER ( most recent first ) Kilmarnock 2-1 Saints LOST same result as 20/10/18 Saints 0-1 St Johnstone LOST better than the 2 v 0 defeat on the 27/10/18 Motherwell 0-1 Saints WON Saints 1-2 Aberdeen LOST better than the 4 v 0 defeat on the 28/8/18 Livingston 3-1 Saints LOST Hibs 2-2 Saints DRAW Saints 1-3 Hamilton LOST And the 3 v 0 defeat on the 22/9/18 7 points from 21 ( old squad ) JANUARY ( Window opens ) Saints 1-3 Hibs LOST Celtic 4-0 LOST FEBRUARY Saints 1-2 Motherwell LOST Rangers 4-0 Saints LOST = ZERO improvement Conceded 26 Scored 9 So your iron tight argument is based on 4 league matches - 2 of which were before our new recruits were all in the door and 2 once a few of them started getting some game time to help them to get them up to speed. (PS - they are still not up to speed - many have not played a much or any competitive football for over 8 weeks - you think we signed guys who were playing as 1st 11 choices at their clubs + a couple are u23 guys who are having to get used to stepping up to this level and the very different way we play in Scotland) What about the improvement after Stubbs left - the Team was much better in December than it was when Oran arrived. So give him a similar chance to show the same with the new squad who are just in the door and once the 7 injured players are back fit. It is not always obvious who will win a race at the half way stage - and it is at the finish line that you get to find it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, whydowebother said: Let’s see how we have improved DECEMBER ( most recent first ) Kilmarnock 2-1 Saints LOST Saints 0-1 St Johnstone LOST Motherwell 0-1 Saints WON Saints 1-2 Aberdeen LOST Livingston 3-1 Saints LOST Hibs 2-2 Saints DRAW Saints 1-3 Hamilton LOST 7 points from 21 ( old squad ) JANUARY ( Window opens ) Saints 1-3 Hibs LOST Celtic 4-0 LOST FEBRUARY Saints 1-2 Motherwell LOST Rangers 4-0 Saints LOST = ZERO improvement Conceded 26 Scored 9 The problem is that you are applying only one metric to define success. If you do that it almost always leads to absolutely dreadful decisions. Using your logic, Ferguson would have been sacked by Man U and we would have sacked Jack Ross in his first season after the start he had. It would be hard to put into words how unbelievably stupid sacking both of those two guys would have been. We need our club board to use a much wider range of metrics to make calm and good decisions with a longer term view and we need to accept that sometimes relegation as part of that long term view can be a reality. It doesn't need to be seen purely in terms of being a cast iron failure with huge payoffs to the management team etc. Many positives can be taken by viewing relegation as a temporary defeat than a catastrophe. There is clearly not ZERO progress. Not by any measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan said: Need to take a step back and put things into perspective. If we cast back to our original targets for manager they didnt want to take the job. Robbie Neilson was offered it but chose not too as we were a bad risk on his CV. He said we would need a far bigger budget to achieve the expectations of our fans. Stubbs has now said likewise. We have low resources and are where we are for a number of reasons. Orans job is to take us to safety and deserves that chance. I would like to see him at least given 2 transfer windows before we pull the plug. Fans & more importantly Board - personally I would've been over the moon with 10th place before the start of the season. Regarding a Top 6 finish I always rank teams in Tiers Celtic & Rangers Aberdeen, Hearts & Hibs Us & the rest of the F/T teams. The P/T teams So if the teams in Tiers 1/2 play to form that means to finish in the Top 6 we'd have to be best of the rest - I certainly never expected that in our first season back in the top flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisleyporridge Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 I’m not even reading this thread. 9 days after the guy’s first transfer window. Get a grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W6Saint Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 6 hours ago, Swiss_Saint said: Comparing him to Stubbs he is head and shoulders above him based on the points above so that is what he has shown me Comparing him to Stubbs is completely pointless and not relevant at all, we all know AS was awful - it’s been done to death. All you’ve given me there is opinions, no concrete facts: where are we sitting? what’s our points tally? how many games have we lost against bottom 6 sides? And before you say it; it’s NOT Stubbs’ team, stop looking at the past and focus on the dross tactics we’re getting served weekly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Isle Of Bute Saint Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 8:58 PM, TopCat said: This still only in the sin bin section? Bit weird. The worst St Mirren manager of all time, according to the stats at least. I agree with them. What a disaster his tenure has been. He’s took a bad situation and went and made it worse. He’s a nice guy by all accounts but he must be held to account for this disgrace. I believe it’s half term. He could be back teaching PE by Wednesday, and I’m sure that would suit everyone just fine. I would be sure to remember my kit. Tick f**king tock. Notice you are on the forum a few times everyday going by your history. So come on you want another manager sacked. Who is our saviour ? Is it a case of you have no idea and write from your arse hole ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 5:41 PM, Isle Of Bute Saint said: 110% behind Oran. I’ll go one better than that.......................... 111% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 13 hours ago, stubbs2018 said: This time next year, Oran will be loved by all at St Mirren, irrespective of what League we are in.. Stick by him. Great comment unfortunate non de plume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 12 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: 13 hours ago, proudtobeabuddy said: Ok they beat us on Saturday but what have they won? Are they assured of promotion? Nope. They are high on confidence, which is an easier environment for new players to come into, much like us last season. We're playing in a much harder league where every game is tough for us but I've seen enough quality to suggest that with hard work we can turn this around in time. I know some fans demand instant success and in an ideal world, wouldn't we all? Realistically, we were always going to take time to integrate so many new players into the team and let's hope we see some more green shoots of progress on Saturday. Oran has had twenty odd games now, i dont think expecting us to field a settled team, formation and tactics is asking for instant success? We had the endless pitch up till now that its "not Orans's team", and so far with (lets go with that anology) 'Oran's Team' not much has changed, but now he and them apparently need time "to gel"? thats odd because I distinctly remember Oran telling us what great quality the Duck, Popesc, Dreyer, McAllister and even Corbu were, and how they would have us getting results asap. Whats happened to Corbu btw? Too duff to play? You sir .... LPM or 'the odious toad' should stfu and take a leaf out of real supporters books, I don't deny you the right to sound off ... just do it where none of the rest of us have to listen to your consistent whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 9 hours ago, DougJamie said: What both OK and Stubbs have shown me is that our BOD havent a clue on appointing managers in that case why didn't you buy out Gilmore and put your money where your gob is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 hours ago, W6Saint said: Comparing him to Stubbs is completely pointless and not relevant at all, we all know AS was awful - it’s been done to death. All you’ve given me there is opinions, no concrete facts: where are we sitting? what’s our points tally? how many games have we lost against bottom 6 sides? And before you say it; it’s NOT Stubbs’ team, stop looking at the past and focus on the dross tactics we’re getting served weekly. Can't really do that unfortunately there re too many dross posters on here talking sheti to concentrate on better things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 Sick to death of some of the crap that SUPPOSED supporters post, don't deny them the right to sound off, but really if you are a buddy .........there is a line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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