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9 minutes ago, Russian Saint said:

 

 


Approximately 1 minute in you’ll see said incident.

 

I'm not completely sure what happened there. It's not very clear.

What I do know is that a hoarde of aggressive thugs decided to attack the police.

I think that woman is seen on this other video here: Again I can't be certain what happened with her.  I have to say that people who treat the police like this, try to provoke a reaction out of them whilst filming it and then run crying to the press when they end up hurt need to have a good look at themselves. It's very easy to criticise the police from behind a warm safe PC screen. In the middle of that it must have been a nightmare.

 

 

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I'm not completely sure what happened there. It's not very clear.
What I do know is that a hoarde of aggressive thugs decided to attack the police.
I think that woman is seen on this other video here: Again I can't be certain what happened with her.  I have to say that people who treat the police like this, try to provoke a reaction out of them whilst filming it and then run crying to the press when they end up hurt need to have a good look at themselves. It's very easy to criticise the police from behind a warm safe PC screen. In the middle of that it must have been a nightmare.
 
 


I don’t know why the police had to turn up in riot gear. This was nothing like the Brexit or BLM protests, there were families there, general Joe public, left, right, black, white, old and young. I didn’t see a hoard of thugs in any of the footage that I’ve seen. Granted, there will be some idiots in amongst them.
Another video was of a very well spoken 59 year old man that had been punched in the face by a police officer. The guy was with two females that I suspect were his wife and daughter.

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5 hours ago, oaksoft said:

In my opinion, it's lifestyle choices which stand out the most. It's fascinating that this isn't even considered. It's as though nobody wants to even countenance the idea that personal responsibility is at the root of this because then they don't have something to batter the government with.

You just have to look around these areas. The number of obese people is just extraordinary. Drug abuse, alcohol abuse and heavy smoking are all there too. If anyone is genuinely interested in solving this problem they need to start looking at what's right in front of their faces instead of being afraid to speak out loud for fear of offending these people.

To be honest I did used to have this attitude also, however the evidence around the impact of adverse childhood events (ACEs) is compelling. I have never met anyone who when asked what they wanted to be when they grow up is a drug addict, alcoholic or morbidly obese. I have attached a video which I watched for the first time several years ago, it changed my perspective. 
 

 

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5 hours ago, oaksoft said:

There might be some merit in that but they really have to rule out the blatantly obvious self-harming behaviour that I listed above first before I would consider that to be a prime factor.

People everywhere lived in damp housing conditions in those days. Eire was notorious for it but they don't have our figures of early deaths (I don't think).

It’s chicken or egg stuff, catch 22, the stuff you listed is the symptoms, it’s not the cause. Increase living standards for everyone and provide a decent early intervention for children and these symptoms will slowly disappear over time. To be fair the Scottish government have been doing this with increased childcare provision, child poverty interventions and changes to child protection ( illegal to physically chastise) the article below links American civil war prisoners and the effects of epigenetic transmission. It’s a fascinating subject. 

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Approximately 1 minute in you’ll see said incident.
Was that the lady that was waving a long stick about above the passing officers heads.

You'll notice the picture is edited missing a section out. Wonder what happened there.

Watch it all again, every clip in the videos show police officers responding in force to attacks on them first.

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Was that the lady that was waving a long stick about above the passing officers heads.

You'll notice the picture is edited missing a section out. Wonder what happened there.

Watch it all again, every clip in the videos show police officers responding in force to attacks on them first.


I’m referring to the woman in the video.
I have the full video which looks unedited and from a different angle. She was no threat to the police but yet gets pushed to the ground and what looks like punched in the stomach. Or was that edited?

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I’m referring to the woman in the video.
I have the full video which looks unedited and from a different angle. She was no threat to the police but yet gets pushed to the ground and what looks like punched in the stomach. Or was that edited?
I take it you didn't see the police getting assaulted as they passed the lady who was I now believe waving a selfie stick about?

The same stick, potential weapon the officers are removing from her after they were assaulted.

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4 hours ago, Russian Saint said:

 


I don’t know why the police had to turn up in riot gear. This was nothing like the Brexit or BLM protests, there were families there, general Joe public, left, right, black, white, old and young. I didn’t see a hoard of thugs in any of the footage that I’ve seen. Granted, there will be some idiots in amongst them.
Another video was of a very well spoken 59 year old man that had been punched in the face by a police officer. The guy was with two females that I suspect were his wife and daughter.

 

Oh come on really?

I'm no apologist for the police but that video I posted showed the reason clearly enough.

With any of these sorts of large scale demonstrations you always get a bunch of thugs tagging along looking for a fight and you need your police suitably protected when they do.

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3 hours ago, ALBIONSAINT said:

It’s chicken or egg stuff, catch 22, the stuff you listed is the symptoms, it’s not the cause. Increase living standards for everyone and provide a decent early intervention for children and these symptoms will slowly disappear over time.

 

In fairness you make a great point there and I will concede that.

I would also agree that it's the kids who need the targetted and early intervention.

I still think adults have to accept personal responsibility though. Once you're beyond a certain age you can't be blaming childhood poverty anymore.

Childhood poverty can certainly get a person into these situations I describe but it's not the reason they stay in those situations as functioning adults. I think allowing any adult to use their childhood as an excuse for their behaviour is dangerous for them because it's a disincentive to change. It somehow suggests to them that it's OK to continue and that there's nothing they can now do to change. We shouldn't be giving people a crutch to blame for their personal decisions.

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4 hours ago, ALBIONSAINT said:

To be honest I did used to have this attitude also, however the evidence around the impact of adverse childhood events (ACEs) is compelling. I have never met anyone who when asked what they wanted to be when they grow up is a drug addict, alcoholic or morbidly obese. I have attached a video which I watched for the first time several years ago, it changed my perspective. 
 

 

I would struggle to accept that an adult can use "I chain smoke, drink like a fish and deep fry everything because I was poor as a kid" as a general excuse for these sort of life decisions.

ETA. I'm not commenting on situations like childhood abuse, rape or anything else like that in these posts. Those are completely different things to the sort of common background experience of poverty that I'm talking about.

With the sort of person I'm talking about, you'll find them comfort eating drinking and smoking through loneliness, a broken heart, boredom, frustrated dreams and ambitions, or some other common garden ailment from life's garden of poison. What you are describing via abusive childhoods will be a very small proportion of people.

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1 hour ago, Russian Saint said:

 


I’m referring to the woman in the video.
I have the full video which looks unedited and from a different angle. She was no threat to the police but yet gets pushed to the ground and what looks like punched in the stomach. Or was that edited?

 

OK but you're asking us to comment on a full unedited film which only you have seen.

I suspect she probably tried to hit a police officer with her stick but without seeing the full thing it's hard to say. There certainly isn't enough in those two videos to condemn the police.

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13 hours ago, Russian Saint said:

I don’t know why the police had to turn up in riot gear. This was nothing like the Brexit or BLM protests, there were families there, general Joe public, left, right, black, white, old and young. I didn’t see a hoard of thugs in any of the footage that I’ve seen. Granted, there will be some idiots in amongst them.
Another video was of a very well spoken 59 year old man that had been punched in the face by a police officer. The guy was with two females that I suspect were his wife and daughter.

 

I think it looks  just like the BLM protests.

 

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We're all in it together - hic!

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Minister says bars in parliament should not be exempt from 10pm closing time

According to a Times story (paywall) by Esther Webber, the bars in parliament are exempt from the rule saying pubs in England must stop selling alcohol at 10pm. She explains:

Facilities serving alcohol on the parliamentary estate are understood to be exempt from the earlier closing time on the basis that they fall under the description of “a workplace canteen”.

:offtopicPlace I used to work in down south used to have a licensed bar for lunchtime 12noon-2:30pm - ah those afternoon experiments.:offtopic

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13 hours ago, Russian Saint said:

 


I’m referring to the woman in the video.
I have the full video which looks unedited and from a different angle. She was no threat to the police but yet gets pushed to the ground and what looks like punched in the stomach. Or was that edited?

 

I don’t want to doubt the veracity of the videos you posted, however there seems to be a couple of guys with wounds on there forehead that just don’t look real. They are not streaming which she would expect from a head wound as your head is very vascular. The woman you said was around 60 did not react or move like a 60 year old, she appeared younger. At first glance these videos appear realistic, so I can see how you may have thought the were genuine. I think someone else has mentioned that it looks just like a BLM demo. All these large gatherings attract anarchists and trouble makers that are only there for the buzz of the fight and couldn’t care less what the demo is about. 

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14 hours ago, Russian Saint said:

 

Sorry, but this is part of the unregulated media. The thing about myths and conspiracy is that you don’t have to produce any research to back it up! A quick google of this guy tells you he recently attended a similar event in Berlin which was full of Q anon and holocaust deniers. I noticed he managed to plug his book also 😙

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15 hours ago, Russian Saint said:

 


I’m referring to the woman in the video.
I have the full video which looks unedited and from a different angle. She was no threat to the police but yet gets pushed to the ground and what looks like punched in the stomach. Or was that edited?

 


You mean this lady....like I said previously if all you listen too is unregulated media then your not getting a balanced view.

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18 hours ago, Russian Saint said:

 


I don’t know why the police had to turn up in riot gear. This was nothing like the Brexit or BLM protests, there were families there, general Joe public, left, right, black, white, old and young. I didn’t see a hoard of thugs in any of the footage that I’ve seen. Granted, there will be some idiots in amongst them.
Another video was of a very well spoken 59 year old man that had been punched in the face by a police officer. The guy was with two females that I suspect were his wife and daughter.

 

riot gear is helmets, shields, visors, cut proof trousers and more.  to call this riot gear is just making shit up to prove your own point

Vaccinations-they serve the greater good but if you dont like them dont take one and don't try and deny the rest of society the opportunity to protect themselves.

seem more like a convenient excuse for a rammy, to me.  there were some well-pished prouble makers in this footage 

 

 

 

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riot gear is helmets, shields, visors, cut proof trousers and more.  to call this riot gear is just making shit up to prove your own point
Vaccinations-they serve the greater good but if you dont like them dont take one and don't try and deny the rest of society the opportunity to protect themselves.
seem more like a convenient excuse for a rammy, to me.  there were some well-pished prouble makers in this footage 
 
 
 


I don’t know who rattled your cage.

My mistake. I thought helmets complete with visor and neck protector, body armour, etc was classed as riot gear?
I never mentioned anything about vaccinations, or am I missing something. The protest I believe was more about the restrictions/lockdown madness versus the fatalities which in turn are taking liberties and freedoms away.

“Prouble” maker??? We’re you pissed when you wrote your reply?

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On 9/24/2020 at 12:45 PM, Long John Baldy said:

Why is wee Nicky tellng people not to go on holiday?

Who the feck is she to tell people not to do something that's not illegal?

Maybe she's planning a major lockdown soon? 

There's rumours bouncing about up here that October could see a short lockdown to coincide with school holidays. 🙄

The rumour mongers up here are way ahead of that latest "news". 

1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:

Two-week national lockdown recommended for whole of UK. SAGE is recommending the government impose the lockdown over half-term to halt the rise in coronavirus cases

 

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On 9/27/2020 at 12:22 AM, Russian Saint said:

 


Yup, 6 deaths. No mention of age, underlying conditions etc. Why are we no longer being told this information? emoji848.png

 

Exactly .

 

Is this worse than Soviet Russia ? More like Marxist China perhaps......................................................................................................shit soon be curfew , l better go...................

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7 hours ago, ALBIONSAINT said:

Sorry, but this is part of the unregulated media. The thing about myths and conspiracy is that you don’t have to produce any research to back it up! A quick google of this guy tells you he recently attended a similar event in Berlin which was full of Q anon and holocaust deniers. I noticed he managed to plug his book also 😙

What about the one going on in China right now , the one that makes Hitlers nazis look like amatuers ?

unregulated media:wacko: Who is financing the lame stream media narritive (propaganda)?????

 

Oh aye what is a holocaust  denier ? And where are they ? Or is that is just one of your conspoiracy theories...............................

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12 minutes ago, theknickerwetter said:

What about the one going on in China right now , the one that makes Hitlers nazis look like amatuers ?

unregulated media:wacko: Who is financing the lame stream media narritive (propaganda)?????

 

Oh aye what is a holocaust  denier ? And where are they ? Or is that is just one of your conspoiracy theories...............................

Ok I will bite, please tell me about the industrial scale extermination of 20 million people In China right now? 
 

it’s your point your trying to make about mainstream media so it’s up to you to say who is financing them? 
 

I take it you don’t know much about law in Germany and other European countries, they take holocaust denial very seriously. As you will see below I have attached a picture of a holocaust denier. 

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