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1 hour ago, linwood buddie said:

Do we have a sell on fee for Mallan ,saying he's going to Turkey for low six figures?

We'll get a percentage because of general development fee rules but it'll be very small. Sell-on will likely be from profit and if so there won't be any, but again it would be pennies at best. 

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On 7/4/2021 at 12:49 PM, FTOF said:

Not according to this article from May 2021, where he states that he's only got one year left on his contract.

St Mirren prospect Lewis Jamieson aiming to follow in Jay Henderson's footsteps after fruitful loan spell - Daily Record

I think our contract offer at the end of the season must have been an extension to the year left on his contract. Haven't read anywhere whether he signed it or not.

No idea with regards to Breadner. His contract did expire at the end of last season.

 

Quote from the article on Jamieson's loan to ICT.

Lewis Jamieson joins Inverness on loan (stmirren.com)

Clears up the questions regarding his contract.

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Lewis also recently agreed a new two-year deal which ties him to the club until summer 2023.

 

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Is it just me or are we managing to attract players using the wrong approach? The message seems to be that come to St Mirren, we are great at developing players and then you will get a move to a bigger club.

We should be buying these players, checking how they fit in, play and their potential worth to St Mirren and then approaching them with a 'We have been impressed with you so far and want to offer to you an improved extended contract' I appreciate there is no guarantee of Premiership football but good players will always end up being sold for a profit. (You can also take into account the possibility of a long term injury as a reason not to but it must be worth a gamble). I don't see any other clubs actively marketing to attract players so they can be used as a stepping stone.

It becomes embarrassing the way we manage contracts of our players and talent has to spotted early on, rewarded and then taking a firm stance once you have them on a decent contract.

It is ok to attract potentially a higher calibre of player for a season or so to help the team. Get players in who want to come and join the club and develop and reward them at the same time. We are far too short sighted and poor in our negotiations. We also come across as being far too accommodating to player requests. If a player is on a short contract then agree put a price tag on them and punt them but we need to manage the contracts better throughout the course of seasons and reward players to extend their contracts and stay albeit for possibly just that little bit longer.

 

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It's not just as easy as that though is it? 2.5 year deals from league of Ireland are a gamble and after the settling in period, if they look the part, have stepped up, and are attracting attention, they hit the period we see now with Jamie and Connor who probably won't sign extensions.

We would all love to get it right and tie them down further at the right juncture but that can sometimes pass in a flash.

To sign these lads in the first place we need to market as a stepping stone. Some will fail, some will work.

We just need to make sure we get what they are worth if we end up where we are now. Historically we tend not to get this right, but it's a balancing act.

Just hope the club weigh up the transfer fee vs worth to run down contract and do the right thing. Either way these boys have done us a turn and can't be blamed.

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9 hours ago, scam75 said:

It's not just as easy as that though is it? 2.5 year deals from league of Ireland are a gamble and after the settling in period, if they look the part, have stepped up, and are attracting attention, they hit the period we see now with Jamie and Connor who probably won't sign extensions.

We would all love to get it right and tie them down further at the right juncture but that can sometimes pass in a flash.

To sign these lads in the first place we need to market as a stepping stone. Some will fail, some will work.

We just need to make sure we get what they are worth if we end up where we are now. Historically we tend not to get this right, but it's a balancing act.

Just hope the club weigh up the transfer fee vs worth to run down contract and do the right thing. Either way these boys have done us a turn and can't be blamed.

Not blaming the lads at all. Just looking at it from aclub point of view when trying to attract players. We are in a reasonable position to sign players from lower leagues for players who might be on lesser wages etc. I specifically wouldn't mention using us as a stepping stone but maybe a better platform.The point about spotting talent when players come to us is to act early. Most fans at the club know a baller when they see one but it appears the management/board are reluctant to act when we have a player on our hands. If we act early and approach the player directly early enough it is possible that by offering an extra X amount of pounds to extend their contract would persuade them to do so, before agents get involved.

I don't know the ins and outs of what we can do above that i.e potential bonus rewards for someone staying and if they get a bigger move a slice of the pie for example. If a club is interested then we should be doing all possible to get at least market value when they have a couple of years left on contract rather than contracts dwindling down. Just saying marketing us as a stepping stone just puts ideas into guys heads. Trying to maintain a more stable group of quality players seems impossible at the moment and we end up chasing our tails trying to bring in other better or players or at least the same calibre. As I said if it is a step backwards for a player to move forward for a season then fair enough. 

Just hope one day that we get to the stage one day where hibs scouting isn't done on SMTV. Also include in the contracts premium sales to other scottish clubs similar to what Hibs did with Martin Boyle although at £500k surprised clubs down south haven't snapped him up. Both the manager and directors have noted our past situation so hopefully we might be more proactive with current quality players going forward.

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1 hour ago, linwood buddie said:

At the start ,after he was injured he wasn’t near as good though IMO.

Doesn't alter the fact that he is overall a very decent player.

Certainly better than any midfield player, McGrath apart, that we currently have.

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On 8/18/2021 at 9:43 AM, truesaint said:

Not blaming the lads at all. Just looking at it from aclub point of view when trying to attract players. We are in a reasonable position to sign players from lower leagues for players who might be on lesser wages etc. I specifically wouldn't mention using us as a stepping stone but maybe a better platform.The point about spotting talent when players come to us is to act early. Most fans at the club know a baller when they see one but it appears the management/board are reluctant to act when we have a player on our hands. If we act early and approach the player directly early enough it is possible that by offering an extra X amount of pounds to extend their contract would persuade them to do so, before agents get involved.

I don't know the ins and outs of what we can do above that i.e potential bonus rewards for someone staying and if they get a bigger move a slice of the pie for example. If a club is interested then we should be doing all possible to get at least market value when they have a couple of years left on contract rather than contracts dwindling down. Just saying marketing us as a stepping stone just puts ideas into guys heads. Trying to maintain a more stable group of quality players seems impossible at the moment and we end up chasing our tails trying to bring in other better or players or at least the same calibre. As I said if it is a step backwards for a player to move forward for a season then fair enough. 

Just hope one day that we get to the stage one day where hibs scouting isn't done on SMTV. Also include in the contracts premium sales to other scottish clubs similar to what Hibs did with Martin Boyle although at £500k surprised clubs down south haven't snapped him up. Both the manager and directors have noted our past situation so hopefully we might be more proactive with current quality players going forward.

I don't think that there is currently any situation where you could sideline a player's agent.  I would not be surprised if the player-agent contract and the club-agent contract have clauses that prevent any kind of direct negotiation.

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