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Where Did It All Go Wrong - Top 6 target

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Ok, so close yet so far.

Here are all our league results this season............................key games/reasons? 

St Mirren 1-0 Livingston

Rangers 3-0 St Mirren

Hamilton 0-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-1 Ross County

St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren

St Mirren 0-3 Hibs

St Mirren 1-2 Celtic

Dundee Utd 2-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 0-1 Kilmarnock

Aberdeen 2-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 0-0 Dundee Utd

Livingston 0-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-1 Aberdeen

Motherwell 0-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 3-2 St Johnstone

Hibs 1-0 St Mirren

Ross County 0-2 St Mirren

St Mirren 0-2 Rangers

Kilmarnock 1-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-1 Motherwell

St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren

Dundee Utd 1-5 St Mirren

Celtic 1-2 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-2 Hibs

St Mirren 2-0 Kilmarnock

St Mirren 0-4 Celtic

Aberdeen 0-0 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-1 Hamilton

St Mirren 1-1 Livingston

St Mirren 0-0 Motherwell

St Mirren 1-0 Ross County

Rangers 3-0 St Mirren

Hamilton 1-1 St Mirren

Edited by faraway saint

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Covid cost us. Players were knackered playing 3 games a week coupled with injuries and ran out of steam. Still it’s great to be going into the last 5 games knowing we cannot be dragged into the relegation scrap. Successful season considering

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Ok, so close yet so far.
Here are all our league results this season............................key games/reasons? 
St Mirren 1-0 Livingston
Rangers 3-0 St Mirren
Hamilton 0-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-1 Ross County
St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren
St Mirren 0-3 Hibs
St Mirren 1-2 Celtic
Dundee Utd 2-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 0-1 Kilmarnock
Aberdeen 2-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 0-0 Dundee Utd
Livingston 0-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-1 Aberdeen
Motherwell 0-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 3-2 St Johnstone
Hibs 1-0 St Mirren
Ross County 0-2 St Mirren
St Mirren 0-2 Rangers
Kilmarnock 1-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-1 Motherwell
St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren
Dundee Utd 1-5 St Mirren
Celtic 1-2 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-2 Hibs
St Mirren 2-0 Kilmarnock
St Mirren 0-4 Celtic
Aberdeen 0-0 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-1 Hamilton
St Mirren 1-1 Livingston
St Mirren 0-0 Motherwell
St Mirren 1-0 Ross County
Rangers 3-0 St Mirren
Hamilton 1-1 St Mirren
A single goal in any one of 18 games (10 draws, 8 one goal defeats) could be said to be the difference, but it is what it is. Onwards but not upwards for the rest of the season. Can't see us, realistically, finishing below 8th even though, mathematically, it's obviously still possible.

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4 minutes ago, cambiebud said:

Covid cost us. Players were knackered playing 3 games a week coupled with injuries and ran out of steam. Still it’s great to be going into the last 5 games knowing we cannot be dragged into the relegation scrap. Successful season considering

Could be part of the reason but to take out the manager and players is simply deflecting from, IMO, THE key area we lost out on a top 6 place. 

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Apart from Covid a lot of the breaks went our way this season eg lots of penalties, opposition players sent off, Danny Rogers giving us a goal. There weren't many games we won where we were clearly better . 

We have the makings of good side but we are not top six quality yet. Close season signings will be crucial . No individual games spring to mind that could have changed things . Probably the February draws killed us.

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Reasons for not making top 6 have been much discussed on the matchday thread for today's Accies game.

Too many draws throughout the season which can be put down to loss of players through Covid and injury, especially Brophy, Dennis, Quaner. And McGrath, our best player over the season, out for a couple of weeks recently.

Had these players been available I agree with JG that we could have had 5-6 more points by this time in the season.

So, it has not really gone wrong. Despite the problems listed above, the club has made decent progress this season. We must now make sure that we get the 4 points required to ensure we don't finish eleventh. If we do that, JG must prove his worth by signing some better players in the summer so that we are ready to make a stronger challenge next season.

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4 minutes ago, pondsman said:

Reasons for not making top 6 have been much discussed on the matchday thread for today's Accies game.

Too many draws throughout the season which can be put down to loss of players through Covid and injury, especially Brophy, Dennis, Quaner. And McGrath, our best player over the season, out for a couple of weeks recently.

Had these players been available I agree with JG that we could have had 5-6 more points by this time in the season.

So, it has not really gone wrong. Despite the problems listed above, the club has made decent progress this season. We must now make sure that we get the 4 points required to ensure we don't finish eleventh. If we do that, JG must prove his worth by signing some better players in the summer so that we are ready to make a stronger challenge next season.

When these type of statements/excuses are rolled out it seems no other teams suffered from either of these issues.

It's all part and parcel of a league campaign. 

Again, when I say it's all  gone wrong I mean our attempts at reaching top 6, not the complete season as the season isn't finished yet. 

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39 minutes ago, cambiebud said:

Covid cost us. Players were knackered playing 3 games a week coupled with injuries and ran out of steam. Still it’s great to be going into the last 5 games knowing we cannot be dragged into the relegation scrap. Successful season considering

Theoretically, we can. What cost us was the four in a row home draws. Win one of them and we were almost certainly there. We didn't. We didn't set up with that mentality. We now need the manager to step up and get the team playing on the front foot to win one, just one game, in the next five to ensure we aren't dragged into any dog fight. Who would bet on us beating Dundee U, Motherwell, Ross County, Hamilton or a resurgent Kilmarnock? 

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Ok, so close yet so far.
Here are all our league results this season............................key games/reasons? 
St Mirren 1-0 Livingston
Rangers 3-0 St Mirren
Hamilton 0-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-1 Ross County
St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren
St Mirren 0-3 Hibs
St Mirren 1-2 Celtic
Dundee Utd 2-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 0-1 Kilmarnock
Aberdeen 2-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 0-0 Dundee Utd
Livingston 0-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-1 Aberdeen
Motherwell 0-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 3-2 St Johnstone
Hibs 1-0 St Mirren
Ross County 0-2 St Mirren
St Mirren 0-2 Rangers
Kilmarnock 1-1 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-1 Motherwell
St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren
Dundee Utd 1-5 St Mirren
Celtic 1-2 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-2 Hibs
St Mirren 2-0 Kilmarnock
St Mirren 0-4 Celtic
Aberdeen 0-0 St Mirren
St Mirren 1-1 Hamilton
St Mirren 1-1 Livingston
St Mirren 0-0 Motherwell
St Mirren 1-0 Ross County
Rangers 3-0 St Mirren
Hamilton 1-1 St Mirren
Imo the 4 home games end of Feb, i thought Goodwin should have told full first team squad they would all be getting game time in those games and they needed to whether playing 10 mins, 45 mins or 90 mins to give every single ounce of energy into those minutes on pitch and see if that could have brought us the 1 more victory we needed knowing full well that we could rest and relax after the job was done and treat Rangers and Hamilton as dead rubbers.

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

The season isn't over yet. 

I was, indicating our failure to reach top 6. 

 

38 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

I've changed the topic to clarify it's our chase for a top 6 spot. 

 

9 minutes ago, windae cleaner said:

Lack of goals

Apart from McGrath excellent penalties we really struggle

Dennis is a big miss

A forward who knowshis way to goal

The season isn't over yet

Just as well you said that, I wasn't sure. :rolleyes:

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Tactics, set up and substitutions. 

The glaringly obvious has been about all season.

1) We can't defend a lead by becoming more defensive.

2) Our defence are decent at clearing balls and general defending but not so great when being put under pressure plays.

3) JDH is a decent player but would be be better playing in straight 4 along with McGrath. We have decent players who can play football but setting them up to defensively is an issue. The diamond worked at the start but grew predictable.

4) Our attack is poor without dennis and brophy and general hold up play isn't great.

5) The gaffer needs to go all out to win to become a winner. The best form of defence is attack or at least trying to keep the ball as far away from our goal as possible.

6) We don't score goals from high cross balls and don't think we have any player who is decent at heading a ball towards goal.

7) Better the wingers swap sides occasionally to cut in and get shots off.

I am not overly disappointed but more frustrated that Jim still hasn't learned our best way to play and to stick with it. 

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1 hour ago, pondsman said:

Reasons for not making top 6 have been much discussed on the matchday thread for today's Accies game.

Too many draws throughout the season which can be put down to loss of players through Covid and injury, especially Brophy, Dennis, Quaner. And McGrath, our best player over the season, out for a couple of weeks recently.

Had these players been available I agree with JG that we could have had 5-6 more points by this time in the season.

So, it has not really gone wrong. Despite the problems listed above, the club has made decent progress this season. We must now make sure that we get the 4 points required to ensure we don't finish eleventh. If we do that, JG must prove his worth by signing some better players in the summer so that we are ready to make a stronger challenge next season.

I think, because Killie, County and Accies all play each other, we may be arithmetically safe already, we certainly dont need four points. 

Stupid thread IMO, it didnt go wrong, the club made progress this season as you said - we have to remember it was only four years since we almost got relegated to League One. The only disappointment is our chances of a fifth place finish and Europe are over. We'll just need to win the Cup to secure that.

Edited by Hendo

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22 minutes ago, truesaint said:

Tactics, set up and substitutions. 

The glaringly obvious has been about all season.

1) We can't defend a lead by becoming more defensive.

2) Our defence are decent at clearing balls and general defending but not so great when being put under pressure plays.

3) JDH is a decent player but would be be better playing in straight 4 along with McGrath. We have decent players who can play football but setting them up too defensively is an issue. The diamond worked at the start but grew predictable.

4) Our attack is poor without dennis and brophy and general hold up play isn't great.

5) The gaffer needs to go all out to win to become a winner. The best form of defence is attack or at least trying to keep the ball as far away from our goal as possible.

6) We don't score goals from high cross balls and don't think we have any player who is decent at heading a ball towards goal.

7) Better the wingers swap sides occasionally to cut in and get shots off.

I am not overly disappointed but more frustrated that Jim still hasn't learned our best way to play and to stick with it. 

My prediction is eighth behind Utd.

Edited by Bud the Baker

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1 minute ago, Hendo said:

I think, because Killie, County and Accies all play each other, we may be arithmetically safe already, we certainly dont need four points. 

Stupid thread IMO, it didnt go wrong, the club made progress this season as you said - we have to remember it was only four years since we almost got relegated to League One. The only disappointment is our chances of a fifth place finish and Europe are over. We'll just need to win the Cup to secure that.

The thread is a chance to reflect on why we didn't reach the top 6.

The season, sigh, isn't finished yet so it's a bit stupid to say we've made progress at this stage.

Us winning the cup is really stupid as I assume you haven't watched us over the last 11 games where we've managed ONE win? :lol:

 

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4 minutes ago, Hendo said:

I think, because Killie, County and Accies all play each other, we may be arithmetically safe already, we certainly dont need four points. 

No, there are still a number of scenarios that could leave in the play off spot, albeit on goal difference. These are highly unlikely, but still possible nevertheless. It is St Mirren after all.

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2 hours ago, faraway saint said:

Ok, so close yet so far.

Here are all our league results this season............................key games/reasons? 

St Mirren 1-0 Livingston

Rangers 3-0 St Mirren

Hamilton 0-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-1 Ross County

St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren

St Mirren 0-3 Hibs

St Mirren 1-2 Celtic

Dundee Utd 2-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 0-1 Kilmarnock

Aberdeen 2-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 0-0 Dundee Utd

Livingston 0-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-1 Aberdeen

Motherwell 0-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 3-2 St Johnstone

Hibs 1-0 St Mirren

Ross County 0-2 St Mirren

St Mirren 0-2 Rangers

Kilmarnock 1-1 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-1 Motherwell

St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren

Dundee Utd 1-5 St Mirren

Celtic 1-2 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-2 Hibs

St Mirren 2-0 Kilmarnock

St Mirren 0-4 Celtic

Aberdeen 0-0 St Mirren

St Mirren 1-1 Hamilton

St Mirren 1-1 Livingston

St Mirren 0-0 Motherwell

St Mirren 1-0 Ross County

Rangers 3-0 St Mirren

Hamilton 1-1 St Mirren

Our record against the other bottom 6 teams is

P 15 W6 D7 L2

Pretty decent so all this talk of finishing 2nd bottom etc is more than unlikely IMO. 

While we're not great at winning games we don't lose many against the other lower teams. 

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