faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 (edited) Ok, so close yet so far. Here are all our league results this season............................key games/reasons? St Mirren 1-0 Livingston Rangers 3-0 St Mirren Hamilton 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Ross County St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren St Mirren 0-3 Hibs St Mirren 1-2 Celtic Dundee Utd 2-1 St Mirren St Mirren 0-1 Kilmarnock Aberdeen 2-1 St Mirren St Mirren 0-0 Dundee Utd Livingston 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Aberdeen Motherwell 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 3-2 St Johnstone Hibs 1-0 St Mirren Ross County 0-2 St Mirren St Mirren 0-2 Rangers Kilmarnock 1-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Motherwell St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren Dundee Utd 1-5 St Mirren Celtic 1-2 St Mirren St Mirren 1-2 Hibs St Mirren 2-0 Kilmarnock St Mirren 0-4 Celtic Aberdeen 0-0 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Hamilton St Mirren 1-1 Livingston St Mirren 0-0 Motherwell St Mirren 1-0 Ross County Rangers 3-0 St Mirren Hamilton 1-1 St Mirren Edited March 20 by faraway saint 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambiebud 1,060 Report post Posted March 20 Covid cost us. Players were knackered playing 3 games a week coupled with injuries and ran out of steam. Still it’s great to be going into the last 5 games knowing we cannot be dragged into the relegation scrap. Successful season considering 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALBIONSAINT 1,802 Report post Posted March 20 I hope it all goes wrong for the next few seasons 👍🏻 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slarti 923 Report post Posted March 20 Ok, so close yet so far. Here are all our league results this season............................key games/reasons? St Mirren 1-0 Livingston Rangers 3-0 St Mirren Hamilton 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Ross County St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren St Mirren 0-3 Hibs St Mirren 1-2 Celtic Dundee Utd 2-1 St Mirren St Mirren 0-1 Kilmarnock Aberdeen 2-1 St Mirren St Mirren 0-0 Dundee Utd Livingston 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Aberdeen Motherwell 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 3-2 St Johnstone Hibs 1-0 St Mirren Ross County 0-2 St Mirren St Mirren 0-2 Rangers Kilmarnock 1-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Motherwell St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren Dundee Utd 1-5 St Mirren Celtic 1-2 St Mirren St Mirren 1-2 Hibs St Mirren 2-0 Kilmarnock St Mirren 0-4 Celtic Aberdeen 0-0 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Hamilton St Mirren 1-1 Livingston St Mirren 0-0 Motherwell St Mirren 1-0 Ross County Rangers 3-0 St Mirren Hamilton 1-1 St MirrenA single goal in any one of 18 games (10 draws, 8 one goal defeats) could be said to be the difference, but it is what it is. Onwards but not upwards for the rest of the season. Can't see us, realistically, finishing below 8th even though, mathematically, it's obviously still possible. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 1 minute ago, ALBIONSAINT said: I hope it all goes wrong for the next few seasons 👍🏻 The season isn't over yet. I was, indicating our failure to reach top 6. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 4 minutes ago, cambiebud said: Covid cost us. Players were knackered playing 3 games a week coupled with injuries and ran out of steam. Still it’s great to be going into the last 5 games knowing we cannot be dragged into the relegation scrap. Successful season considering Could be part of the reason but to take out the manager and players is simply deflecting from, IMO, THE key area we lost out on a top 6 place. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elvis 2,916 Report post Posted March 20 For me it was the two own goals against Livi and Accies at home. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldfellow 228 Report post Posted March 20 Apart from Covid a lot of the breaks went our way this season eg lots of penalties, opposition players sent off, Danny Rogers giving us a goal. There weren't many games we won where we were clearly better . We have the makings of good side but we are not top six quality yet. Close season signings will be crucial . No individual games spring to mind that could have changed things . Probably the February draws killed us. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pondsman 485 Report post Posted March 20 Reasons for not making top 6 have been much discussed on the matchday thread for today's Accies game. Too many draws throughout the season which can be put down to loss of players through Covid and injury, especially Brophy, Dennis, Quaner. And McGrath, our best player over the season, out for a couple of weeks recently. Had these players been available I agree with JG that we could have had 5-6 more points by this time in the season. So, it has not really gone wrong. Despite the problems listed above, the club has made decent progress this season. We must now make sure that we get the 4 points required to ensure we don't finish eleventh. If we do that, JG must prove his worth by signing some better players in the summer so that we are ready to make a stronger challenge next season. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 4 minutes ago, pondsman said: Reasons for not making top 6 have been much discussed on the matchday thread for today's Accies game. Too many draws throughout the season which can be put down to loss of players through Covid and injury, especially Brophy, Dennis, Quaner. And McGrath, our best player over the season, out for a couple of weeks recently. Had these players been available I agree with JG that we could have had 5-6 more points by this time in the season. So, it has not really gone wrong. Despite the problems listed above, the club has made decent progress this season. We must now make sure that we get the 4 points required to ensure we don't finish eleventh. If we do that, JG must prove his worth by signing some better players in the summer so that we are ready to make a stronger challenge next season. When these type of statements/excuses are rolled out it seems no other teams suffered from either of these issues. It's all part and parcel of a league campaign. Again, when I say it's all gone wrong I mean our attempts at reaching top 6, not the complete season as the season isn't finished yet. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 I've changed the topic to clarify it's our chase for a top 6 spot. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALBIONSAINT 1,802 Report post Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, faraway saint said: I've changed the topic to clarify it's our chase for a top 6 spot. Makes sense now 👍🏻 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pondsman 485 Report post Posted March 20 Despite the clarification of the topic, much of my argument stands. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stlucifer 6,721 Report post Posted March 20 39 minutes ago, cambiebud said: Covid cost us. Players were knackered playing 3 games a week coupled with injuries and ran out of steam. Still it’s great to be going into the last 5 games knowing we cannot be dragged into the relegation scrap. Successful season considering Theoretically, we can. What cost us was the four in a row home draws. Win one of them and we were almost certainly there. We didn't. We didn't set up with that mentality. We now need the manager to step up and get the team playing on the front foot to win one, just one game, in the next five to ensure we aren't dragged into any dog fight. Who would bet on us beating Dundee U, Motherwell, Ross County, Hamilton or a resurgent Kilmarnock? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
munoz 8,776 Report post Posted March 20 Injuries to key players and too many games in a short period of time probably didn't help matters. Still, we have 40 pts with 15 still to play for. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 1 win from the last 11, there's a start. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windae cleaner 4,145 Report post Posted March 20 Lack of goals Apart from McGrath excellent penalties we really struggle Dennis is a big miss A forward who knowshis way to goal The season isn't over yet 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ronnie 1,274 Report post Posted March 20 Ok, so close yet so far. Here are all our league results this season............................key games/reasons? St Mirren 1-0 Livingston Rangers 3-0 St Mirren Hamilton 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Ross County St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren St Mirren 0-3 Hibs St Mirren 1-2 Celtic Dundee Utd 2-1 St Mirren St Mirren 0-1 Kilmarnock Aberdeen 2-1 St Mirren St Mirren 0-0 Dundee Utd Livingston 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Aberdeen Motherwell 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 3-2 St Johnstone Hibs 1-0 St Mirren Ross County 0-2 St Mirren St Mirren 0-2 Rangers Kilmarnock 1-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Motherwell St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren Dundee Utd 1-5 St Mirren Celtic 1-2 St Mirren St Mirren 1-2 Hibs St Mirren 2-0 Kilmarnock St Mirren 0-4 Celtic Aberdeen 0-0 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Hamilton St Mirren 1-1 Livingston St Mirren 0-0 Motherwell St Mirren 1-0 Ross County Rangers 3-0 St Mirren Hamilton 1-1 St MirrenImo the 4 home games end of Feb, i thought Goodwin should have told full first team squad they would all be getting game time in those games and they needed to whether playing 10 mins, 45 mins or 90 mins to give every single ounce of energy into those minutes on pitch and see if that could have brought us the 1 more victory we needed knowing full well that we could rest and relax after the job was done and treat Rangers and Hamilton as dead rubbers. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 1 hour ago, faraway saint said: The season isn't over yet. I was, indicating our failure to reach top 6. 38 minutes ago, faraway saint said: I've changed the topic to clarify it's our chase for a top 6 spot. 9 minutes ago, windae cleaner said: Lack of goals Apart from McGrath excellent penalties we really struggle Dennis is a big miss A forward who knowshis way to goal The season isn't over yet Just as well you said that, I wasn't sure. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
truesaint 505 Report post Posted March 20 Tactics, set up and substitutions. The glaringly obvious has been about all season. 1) We can't defend a lead by becoming more defensive. 2) Our defence are decent at clearing balls and general defending but not so great when being put under pressure plays. 3) JDH is a decent player but would be be better playing in straight 4 along with McGrath. We have decent players who can play football but setting them up to defensively is an issue. The diamond worked at the start but grew predictable. 4) Our attack is poor without dennis and brophy and general hold up play isn't great. 5) The gaffer needs to go all out to win to become a winner. The best form of defence is attack or at least trying to keep the ball as far away from our goal as possible. 6) We don't score goals from high cross balls and don't think we have any player who is decent at heading a ball towards goal. 7) Better the wingers swap sides occasionally to cut in and get shots off. I am not overly disappointed but more frustrated that Jim still hasn't learned our best way to play and to stick with it. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hendo 3,054 Report post Posted March 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, pondsman said: Reasons for not making top 6 have been much discussed on the matchday thread for today's Accies game. Too many draws throughout the season which can be put down to loss of players through Covid and injury, especially Brophy, Dennis, Quaner. And McGrath, our best player over the season, out for a couple of weeks recently. Had these players been available I agree with JG that we could have had 5-6 more points by this time in the season. So, it has not really gone wrong. Despite the problems listed above, the club has made decent progress this season. We must now make sure that we get the 4 points required to ensure we don't finish eleventh. If we do that, JG must prove his worth by signing some better players in the summer so that we are ready to make a stronger challenge next season. I think, because Killie, County and Accies all play each other, we may be arithmetically safe already, we certainly dont need four points. Stupid thread IMO, it didnt go wrong, the club made progress this season as you said - we have to remember it was only four years since we almost got relegated to League One. The only disappointment is our chances of a fifth place finish and Europe are over. We'll just need to win the Cup to secure that. Edited March 20 by Hendo 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bud the Baker 8,962 Report post Posted March 20 (edited) 22 minutes ago, truesaint said: Tactics, set up and substitutions. The glaringly obvious has been about all season. 1) We can't defend a lead by becoming more defensive. 2) Our defence are decent at clearing balls and general defending but not so great when being put under pressure plays. 3) JDH is a decent player but would be be better playing in straight 4 along with McGrath. We have decent players who can play football but setting them up too defensively is an issue. The diamond worked at the start but grew predictable. 4) Our attack is poor without dennis and brophy and general hold up play isn't great. 5) The gaffer needs to go all out to win to become a winner. The best form of defence is attack or at least trying to keep the ball as far away from our goal as possible. 6) We don't score goals from high cross balls and don't think we have any player who is decent at heading a ball towards goal. 7) Better the wingers swap sides occasionally to cut in and get shots off. I am not overly disappointed but more frustrated that Jim still hasn't learned our best way to play and to stick with it. My prediction is eighth behind Utd. Edited March 20 by Bud the Baker 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 1 minute ago, Hendo said: I think, because Killie, County and Accies all play each other, we may be arithmetically safe already, we certainly dont need four points. Stupid thread IMO, it didnt go wrong, the club made progress this season as you said - we have to remember it was only four years since we almost got relegated to League One. The only disappointment is our chances of a fifth place finish and Europe are over. We'll just need to win the Cup to secure that. The thread is a chance to reflect on why we didn't reach the top 6. The season, sigh, isn't finished yet so it's a bit stupid to say we've made progress at this stage. Us winning the cup is really stupid as I assume you haven't watched us over the last 11 games where we've managed ONE win? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saint in exile 2,294 Report post Posted March 20 4 minutes ago, Hendo said: I think, because Killie, County and Accies all play each other, we may be arithmetically safe already, we certainly dont need four points. No, there are still a number of scenarios that could leave in the play off spot, albeit on goal difference. These are highly unlikely, but still possible nevertheless. It is St Mirren after all. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faraway saint 31,704 Report post Posted March 20 2 hours ago, faraway saint said: Ok, so close yet so far. Here are all our league results this season............................key games/reasons? St Mirren 1-0 Livingston Rangers 3-0 St Mirren Hamilton 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Ross County St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren St Mirren 0-3 Hibs St Mirren 1-2 Celtic Dundee Utd 2-1 St Mirren St Mirren 0-1 Kilmarnock Aberdeen 2-1 St Mirren St Mirren 0-0 Dundee Utd Livingston 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Aberdeen Motherwell 0-1 St Mirren St Mirren 3-2 St Johnstone Hibs 1-0 St Mirren Ross County 0-2 St Mirren St Mirren 0-2 Rangers Kilmarnock 1-1 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Motherwell St Johnstone 1-0 St Mirren Dundee Utd 1-5 St Mirren Celtic 1-2 St Mirren St Mirren 1-2 Hibs St Mirren 2-0 Kilmarnock St Mirren 0-4 Celtic Aberdeen 0-0 St Mirren St Mirren 1-1 Hamilton St Mirren 1-1 Livingston St Mirren 0-0 Motherwell St Mirren 1-0 Ross County Rangers 3-0 St Mirren Hamilton 1-1 St Mirren Our record against the other bottom 6 teams is P 15 W6 D7 L2 Pretty decent so all this talk of finishing 2nd bottom etc is more than unlikely IMO. While we're not great at winning games we don't lose many against the other lower teams. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
