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13 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

More than decent goal scoring record for a full back. 

Get rid of our supposed strikers and sign more defenders that can score goals, you'll have two positions covered for the price of one. :wink: 

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Watch a fair bit of A league and he's a good player. Definitely more of a winger/wing back, gets forward often

Seems nailed on that we'll be playing 3 at the back with wing backs

Only thing that concerns me is that we'll have to commit to that formation and hope it works (& other teams will know that)

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2 hours ago, Doakes said:

Watch a fair bit of A league and he's a good player. Definitely more of a winger/wing back, gets forward often

Seems nailed on that we'll be playing 3 at the back with wing backs

Only thing that concerns me is that we'll have to commit to that formation and hope it works (& other teams will know that)

 

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Just now, Mid Calder Saint said:

St Johnstone played with three centre backs and two wing backs all season and won two major trophies 

Yeah and Livi had a certain style of play that worked well for them too, so can see the advantage to sticking with 1 system. Doesn't give us much room to change formation if we get a few injuries etc. Relying very heavily on wing backs

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1 hour ago, Doakes said:

Yeah and Livi had a certain style of play that worked well for them too, so can see the advantage to sticking with 1 system. Doesn't give us much room to change formation if we get a few injuries etc. Relying very heavily on wing backs

We could still play a back 4 with Tait at LB and Marcus at RB and Kyle or Henderson at right side of midfield.

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4 hours ago, Doakes said:

Watch a fair bit of A league and he's a good player. Definitely more of a winger/wing back, gets forward often

Seems nailed on that we'll be playing 3 at the back with wing backs

Only thing that concerns me is that we'll have to commit to that formation and hope it works (& other teams will know that)

Hopefully that could adapt to a 442 if required . 

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If the rumours are true and we are signing Matt Millar this is a step in the right direction if we are set to play 3-5-2 system. 

What I know about Millar is he can play right back but seems more natural at getting forward like a right wing back. He might not be incredibly creative but has pace, which we really need, he seems to be able to get forward and can cross a ball in. He seems to have a good engine as well to continually get forward and back. Likes to get forward like Tanser does, so would hope this balance the side out and gets us what we have needed (pace), but fits the system we are playing now. 

My take on it, but last season was pretty good finish, but this was playing with what was a soild 4 at the back formation. I like the signing for people that can play multiple positions as should then allow for th eformation to change depending if at home or away or depending on the other teams set up. Early days yet to see if this will happen as we continue with 3-5-2 no matter what. 

What we lost from last season and have found replacements for:
LWB - Mason = Tanser
CM Doyle-Hayes = Ronan
ST - Obika = Main
CDM - Sheron/Foley = Power

Lost and potentially signing a replacement to fit the system:
RM - Connolly = Matthew Millar (RWB/RB)

Potentially going & replacement:
CAM - McGrath = Kiltie

Players we are yet to replace:
Durmas
Quaner/Morias

We then needed maybe 2 more in to build on last season's form, but to either fit this system or to allow the ability to change it up.
Needs not met:
* Pace/Creativity - LWB/LM/LW
* either/or Tall/Strong/Fast Striker

What we could look like if Millar comes in (Starter / Backups)
3-5-2
GK - Alnwick / Lyness / Urminsk√Ĺ
RCB - Fraser / Finlayson
CCB - Shaughnessy / McCarthy
LCB - Dunne / 
RWB - Millar / Henderson
LWB - Tanser / Tait
CDM - Power / Erhahon / Reid
CM - Ronan / Flynn
CAM - McGrath / Kiltie / McAllister
ST - Brophy / Dennis
ST - Main / Erwin

4-5-1
GK - Alnwick
RB - Fraser 
RCB - Shaughnessy
LCB - Dunne
LB - Tait
CDM - Power 
RM - Millar
CM - Ronan
CM - McGrath
LM - Tanser
ST - Main

4-2-3-1
GK - Alnwick
RB - Fraser 
RCB - Shaughnessy
LCB - Dunne
LB - Tait
CDM - Power 
CDM - Ronan
RAM - McAllister
CAM - McGrath
LAM - Kiltie
ST - Main

4-4-2
GK - Alnwick
RB - Fraser 
RCB - Shaughnessy
LCB - Dunne
LB  - Tait
RM - Millar
CM - Power
CM - McGrath
LM - Tanser
ST - Brophy
ST - Main

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

You admitted this was one of the best moments in your life (how sad) and it didn't even happen lol.

Stop biting Baz. You're playing into his hands and filling the forum with more of his fishing hooks...

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On 9/7/2021 at 11:19 AM, Eric Arthur Blair said:

 

Hopefully he lives up to the comments made by JG and he does bring some width, speed and crossing abilities to the team as they are badly needed from what I have seen so far this year..

Welcome to Saints and if you just want to see what playing for Saints might do for you just have a wee peek at the current Scottish team and squad and see how many players (never mind the manager) have had a direct involvement with the club and also see that we can also sign players that gain a new cap for their country by playing well for us.

Welcome to Paisley from the far-flung shores of Oz.

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On 9/7/2021 at 10:43 AM, Mainstand Sweary Mob said:

If the rumours are true and we are signing Matt Millar this is a step in the right direction if we are set to play 3-5-2 system. 

What I know about Millar is he can play right back but seems more natural at getting forward like a right wing back. He might not be incredibly creative but has pace, which we really need, he seems to be able to get forward and can cross a ball in. He seems to have a good engine as well to continually get forward and back. Likes to get forward like Tanser does, so would hope this balance the side out and gets us what we have needed (pace), but fits the system we are playing now. 

My take on it, but last season was pretty good finish, but this was playing with what was a soild 4 at the back formation. I like the signing for people that can play multiple positions as should then allow for th eformation to change depending if at home or away or depending on the other teams set up. Early days yet to see if this will happen as we continue with 3-5-2 no matter what. 

What we lost from last season and have found replacements for:
LWB - Mason = Tanser
CM Doyle-Hayes = Ronan
ST - Obika = Main
CDM - Sheron/Foley = Power

Lost and potentially signing a replacement to fit the system:
RM - Connolly = Matthew Millar (RWB/RB)

Potentially going & replacement:
CAM - McGrath = Kiltie

Players we are yet to replace:
Durmas
Quaner/Morias

We then needed maybe 2 more in to build on last season's form, but to either fit this system or to allow the ability to change it up.
Needs not met:
* Pace/Creativity - LWB/LM/LW
* either/or Tall/Strong/Fast Striker

What we could look like if Millar comes in (Starter / Backups)
3-5-2
GK - Alnwick / Lyness / Urminsk√Ĺ
RCB - Fraser / Finlayson
CCB - Shaughnessy / McCarthy
LCB - Dunne / 
RWB - Millar / Henderson
LWB - Tanser / Tait
CDM - Power / Erhahon / Reid
CM - Ronan / Flynn
CAM - McGrath / Kiltie / McAllister
ST - Brophy / Dennis
ST - Main / Erwin

4-5-1
GK - Alnwick
RB - Fraser 
RCB - Shaughnessy
LCB - Dunne
LB - Tait
CDM - Power 
RM - Millar
CM - Ronan
CM - McGrath
LM - Tanser
ST - Main

4-2-3-1
GK - Alnwick
RB - Fraser 
RCB - Shaughnessy
LCB - Dunne
LB - Tait
CDM - Power 
CDM - Ronan
RAM - McAllister
CAM - McGrath
LAM - Kiltie
ST - Main

4-4-2
GK - Alnwick
RB - Fraser 
RCB - Shaughnessy
LCB - Dunne
LB  - Tait
RM - Millar
CM - Power
CM - McGrath
LM - Tanser
ST - Brophy
ST - Main

Not sure I agree wholeheartedly with your interpretation; but it's certainly fair and realistic as opposed to the usual paranoia from certain quarters, food for thought anyway, thank you

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Not sure I agree wholeheartedly with your interpretation; but it's certainly fair and realistic as opposed to the usual paranoia from certain quarters, food for thought anyway, thank you
Not being arsey or anything, but I would like to know your thoughts on what don't agree with? I like to hear others thoughts in a respectful debate.
I was waffling on in the post you quoted, but trying to see the difference to last season and with the new set up.

What I liked about last season is the back 4 were very solid. I felt our issue, like most teams not Celtic, Rangers or Hibs was attack and goal scoring.

I was hoping with Fraser signing on that the defence side was secure and we would look at the attack more. I think for me the thing that has unsettled everything wasn't just new signings having to fit in with an existing bunch of players, but the existing bunch having to try fit in to a new system too with the 352.

I do feel we haven't filled Durmas or a striking options that brings something different (goals would be good haha).
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6 hours ago, Mainstand Sweary Mob said:

Not being arsey or anything, but I would like to know your thoughts on what don't agree with? I like to hear others thoughts in a respectful debate.
I was waffling on in the post you quoted, but trying to see the difference to last season and with the new set up.

What I liked about last season is the back 4 were very solid. I felt our issue, like most teams not Celtic, Rangers or Hibs was attack and goal scoring.

I was hoping with Fraser signing on that the defence side was secure and we would look at the attack more. I think for me the thing that has unsettled everything wasn't just new signings having to fit in with an existing bunch of players, but the existing bunch having to try fit in to a new system too with the 352.

I do feel we haven't filled Durmas or a striking options that brings something different (goals would be good haha).

For me the biggest loss was  Connolly, Doyle-Hayes was / is much in the Magennis role for me both flatter to deceive, good players yes but they need equally good players around them and they are (as indeed many players are at this level) consistently  inconsistent.  i agree with your review of last years but equally I like the idea of a back three with two good wing half's and Tamser, Millar, Tait and Power (variations thereof) might fit the bill.  I will grant you it isn't working, right at this minute, but Goddys management style got us where it did last year and HE will be hoisted by his own petard, so it is his call, and I for one wish him well. Striker wise he has got the best that we as a club can attract / afford, I like Main he is dogged and keeps on keeping on much as Basher used to in years gone by, Dennis also is a grafter and I LOVE grafters, bit of talent is no use at all if you don't graft, so my hope is something clicks with strikers ass indeed it did with Basher and Yards,.  What people need to remember is this is St Mirren, we is used to dragging defeat from the jaws of victory, lets do better this year. COYS

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10 hours ago, Mainstand Sweary Mob said:

Not being arsey or anything, but I would like to know your thoughts on what don't agree with? I like to hear others thoughts in a respectful debate.
I was waffling on in the post you quoted, but trying to see the difference to last season and with the new set up.

What I liked about last season is the back 4 were very solid. I felt our issue, like most teams not Celtic, Rangers or Hibs was attack and goal scoring.

I was hoping with Fraser signing on that the defence side was secure and we would look at the attack more. I think for me the thing that has unsettled everything wasn't just new signings having to fit in with an existing bunch of players, but the existing bunch having to try fit in to a new system too with the 352.

I do feel we haven't filled Durmas or a striking options that brings something different (goals would be good haha).

Agree with you for the most part.

The manager has now stated that he'll be going 352. He'll either be successful or he'll face the boot.

However, In Millar, who seems to be quite highly rated, I think we might have a similar player to Durmus, with a bit more pace, but maybe not quite the same end product. He'll definitely be better defensively.

I also think that our striking options are a bit different from last season, but through poor finishing and lack of created chances, we haven't scored nearly enough.

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